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Offline MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:21:35 AM(UTC)
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Jayrone Elliott gets one sack tomorrow night, he's a lock for the final 53.

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GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Green Bay Packers rookie outside linebacker Jayrone Elliott is tied for the NFL lead in preseason sacks.

Just don't tell that to his position coach Winston Moss.

"Coach Moss told me he wanted to see if I was the real deal," Elliott said Tuesday.

Maybe Moss was just trying to make sure the undrafted rookie from Toledo was not content with what he's put together in his first three preseason games because four sacks in just 36 preseason snaps certainly is nothing to disregard.
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:08:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MintBaconDrivel Go to Quoted Post
Jayrone Elliott gets one sack tomorrow night, he's a lock for the final 53.



didnt he get 3 in one series? - against some backups? - would take that with a grain of salt. Still could be the real deal - dont know enough about him
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:17:16 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
didnt he get 3 in one series? - against some backups? - would take that with a grain of salt. Still could be the real deal - dont know enough about him


So you're saying it's Jayone's fault that he was against backups and not Pro Bowl OL? You want your guys to beat the man across from you. That is what he did, multiple times and in multiple games.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:59:24 AM(UTC)
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I noticed a trend other preseasons and seasons. A lot of other teams would have these fairly unknown young tough athletic LBs, DEs, etc., while the Packers, it seemed like, would mostly had a bunch of technicians - to put it charitably. Well, this year we have a few of those - Elliot, Hubbard, maybe Pennel, etc., and it's kinda a nice change. Hopefully the kid shows something against a higher level of competition.
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:29:42 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
So you're saying it's Jayone's fault that he was against backups and not Pro Bowl OL? You want your guys to beat the man across from you. That is what he did, multiple times and in multiple games.


Just pointing out the facts because 'sometimes' news articles make certain stats sound better or worse then they are.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 10:07:08 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Dulak Go to Quoted Post
didnt he get 3 in one series? - against some backups? - would take that with a grain of salt. Still could be the real deal - dont know enough about him


All our defenders were playing against the same backups and not all our defenders got 3 sacks.


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#7 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 11:48:10 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: luigis Go to Quoted Post
All our defenders were playing against the same backups and not all our defenders got 3 sacks.




He's been doing it in practice too.

Let's see if he can get it done consistently against starters/NFL backups.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 4:38:19 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
So you're saying it's Jayone's fault that he was against backups and not Pro Bowl OL?

Nope... because HE DID go against a Pro Bowl OL (Raiders LT Donald Penn) and looked like Penn easily took care of him with out trying too hard...

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Penn was named to the 2011 Pro Bowl as an alternate. He replaced Green Bay Packers tackle Chad Clifton, whose team advanced to Super Bowl XLV.
I know ESPN's projected roster aren't locked in stone or anything but their projected rosters don't have the OTs that Elliott beat making their teams rosters...


Originally Posted by: luigis Go to Quoted Post
All our defenders were playing against the same backups and not all our defenders got 3 sacks.


I think that's simple not true... some of the Packers back-ups OLBers were off the field and done for the night before the OTs Elliot beat even entered the game, which is why Donald Penn was still on the field when Elliot was, because the Raiders hasn't made the switch yet to the back-up LT yet.

And I don't think all the OLBers got to face that Rams back-up OT who really struggled and gave up sacks to more than just Elliot... I think Hubbard got one off the same OT and I'm not sure the other OLBers faced that OT or not.



Elliot might be the real deal... but as Coach Moss implied it's not a sure thing yet... (at least not for the preseason games in my opinion). Need to see him going against the same level of OTs as the OLBers getting playing time before him... (or at the very least against an OT that deserve making the 53 man roster)...

Of course coaches probably have seen that in practice already against some of their own guys....
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:43:57 PM(UTC)
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Jayrone did go up against some higher competition in the Raiders game...I don't recall if it was Penn, or not. He wasn't destroying the guy he was first up against, but then he was up against the backup LT, if memory serves and made some nice rushes vs. him.

Clay Matthews isn't all that outstanding against the great OT's of the NFL. Few players are...most of them lunch on the lesser guys padding their stats.

Elliott has the body type, the look, of a stud player. He's stood out a few times...a lot more than almost any other player on that defense. The thoughts on Elliott don't square with what most would do with say a high draft choice. The high pick gets 3 years to prove it...then, again, the high pick is usually going against a higher level of compeition, too.

If Elliott is this good against lower level guys there's no reason to not wait to see if he can be coached up into something solid or better. I question whether we have that coach on the roster in Green Bay, though.

Hopefully, we can find a stud in the making. Peppers can fill that role opposite Clay and hopefully Jayrone can slide in when Pep is gone. It would be nice not wasting anymore picks trying to finally find a complement to Clay.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:20:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool Go to Quoted Post
So you're saying it's Jayone's fault that he was against backups and not Pro Bowl OL? You want your guys to beat the man across from you. That is what he did, multiple times and in multiple games.


It is certainly not his fault he didn't line up against the number ones and he did make the most of his chances. You still can't discount the fact that he was going against guys that may very well be cut. Like you said though he did the only thing that could be asked of him and beat the only guy he could beat several times and that certainly deserves a further look. I'm guessing he may get in a little earlier this week though how long if any the Chiefs play their top O linemen is anybody's guess. He still may not be going against their #1's. Besides that its not like out number ones are so set that they don't need the reps either.

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#11 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:22:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
He's been doing it in practice too.



If so it will probably do more to land him a spot than the game sacks do.

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#12 Posted : Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:48:17 PM(UTC)
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It doesn't matter who he went up against. When he was in the game, he made plays. Simple as that. The guy is a play maker. You could see it in his eyes when he was in the backfield. He is something special. At the moment. He has made the 53 already.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:29:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules Go to Quoted Post
It doesn't matter who he went up against. When he was in the game, he made plays. Simple as that. The guy is a play maker. You could see it in his eyes when he was in the backfield. He is something special. At the moment. He has made the 53 already.


Nick Perry went up against 3rd stringers too. lol
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:06:19 PM(UTC)
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i think he made it.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:50:38 PM(UTC)
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The guy is ferocious. What a find.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 8:17:50 PM(UTC)
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Drew a holding penalty and got a sack back-to-back.

That's how you make the team.


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#17 Posted : Thursday, August 28, 2014 10:32:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns Go to Quoted Post
Drew a holding penalty and got a sack back-to-back.

That's how you make the team.


Agreed. He has shown enough to make the 53 if you ask me. Granted he hasn't been playing against starters the whole time, but he has made a few linemen look like clowns. He made good with his playing time, and that is exactly what he needed to do.

I tip my hat to Jayrone - keep at it!
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#18 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 7:38:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 Go to Quoted Post
Agreed. He has shown enough to make the 53 if you ask me. Granted he hasn't been playing against starters the whole time, but he has made a few linemen look like clowns. He made good with his playing time, and that is exactly what he needed to do.

I tip my hat to Jayrone - keep at it!



I agree but it does go a long way to explaining why it seems the Packers have had so many preseason wonders who turn out to be not so wonderful when the real game begin. I'm sure every team goes through it but how many times have we seen guys look great in the preseason be they WRs, LBs, DL, DBs or whatever and we say "watch out for this guy" only to have it turn into "what the heck happened to that guy"

All these comments about Elliot doing what he had to do and not having a choice about who he went up against and making the best of his situation are 100% true. He may be one of the very few guys who actually played himself onto the team (assuming his TC and practices didn't totally suck) and seeing what he did is reason to get excited. You still have to temper that excitement with the knowledge that even though he did do all he could do and made the most of his chances etc. etc. he did do it against many guys that will probably be looking for work in a couple of days.



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#19 Posted : Friday, August 29, 2014 7:47:05 AM(UTC)
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