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Offline nerdmann  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 8:52:44 AM(UTC)
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Rob Demovsky wrote:
GREEN BAY, Wis. — It goes against everything you probably think run defense is about in the NFL.

Smaller cannot be better.

Not in a world of 325-pound offensive linemen, 250-pound fullbacks and 230-pound running backs.

But after watching their 1,000 pounds of girth on the defensive line last season fall from a top-five run defense at the midway point of last season all the way to 25th by end of the year, the Green Bay Packers are trying a different approach.


Remember when they wanted "smaller, quicker" offensive linemen? lol

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 9:49:27 AM(UTC)
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HALLELUJAH! I was the solitary voice calling for this last season already. Damn straight the run D will be better this way, and the pass D too because of a better pass rush - and I don't just mean Peppers.

I do NOT, however, favor a smaller O Line. Fortunately, the Packers have gradually gotten away from that. Sherrod was the culmination of that process - or will be if he finally gets to where he was expected to be.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 10:39:57 AM(UTC)
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Too much focus on size when what really matters is talent. If we have smaller guys who are better players then we'll be better against the run than having giants who suck. Also something that coincided with the run D getting worse last year that no one really talks about is the injuries to Brad Jones and Nick Perry, two guys who were playing the run REALLY well early on and became ineffective after injuries. It isn't all about the D-line.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 2:55:29 PM(UTC)
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Size isn't really an issue, it is being able to move with the size. Pickett was good at holding his point, but if they play went either side of him he couldn't pursue and he ended up being a wall for the backside pursuit.

The biggest question will be, can they keep off the field enoug to let the big bodies rest.
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:09:10 PM(UTC)
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On the Packers' run defense:

I feel good about our run defense. I really don't get this, we're smaller. We may weigh less, but I don't think our D-line is smaller. We've got some long-levered guys. Definitely the anchors we have on the edge of our 3-4, we've never had this kind of depth. From a personnel standpoint, I feel very good about the people and the ability to rotate different players will be a key. We want to play more players and I feel very good about the way the preseason has gone and we'll start that rotation Thursday night.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:30:30 PM(UTC)
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More spread offenses. More zone blocking. More mobile quarterbacks. It makes sense.
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:32:33 PM(UTC)
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Too much focus on size when what really matters is talent. If we have smaller guys who are better players then we'll be better against the run than having giants who suck. Also something that coincided with the run D getting worse last year that no one really talks about is the injuries to Brad Jones and Nick Perry, two guys who were playing the run REALLY well early on and became ineffective after injuries. It isn't all about the D-line.


These guys aren't exactly superstars.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 4:23:16 PM(UTC)
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These guys aren't exactly superstars.


Who said they were? They are still responsible for the run defense and were good at it before they got hurt.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 4:29:02 PM(UTC)
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Ryan Pickett 338 lbs..........Mile Pennel 332

Johnny Jolly 325 lbs.........,Letroy Giuon 315

CJ Wilson 300lbs................Josh Boyd 310

That's 6lbs difference.

I'm excluding Raji, because he would have been starting if he wasn't injured.


Now big question Mr. Texas, why are you not calling Mike Pennel just another "big Fattie".

Be happy, you got what you wanted, just remember the old saying, be careful what you ask for.


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#10 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 7:26:00 PM(UTC)
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Ryan Pickett 338 lbs..........Mile Pennel 332

Johnny Jolly 325 lbs.........,Letroy Giuon 315

CJ Wilson 300lbs................Josh Boyd 310

That's 6lbs difference.

I'm excluding Raji, because he would have been starting if he wasn't injured.


Now big question Mr. Texas, why are you not calling Mike Pennel just another "big Fattie".

Be happy, you got what you wanted, just remember the old saying, be careful what you ask for.




If you look at Pennel, he actually has a waist. For a guy that big, he doesn't have much of a gut.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, September 2, 2014 7:57:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Ryan Pickett 338 lbs..........Mile Pennel 332

Johnny Jolly 325 lbs.........,Letroy Giuon 315

CJ Wilson 300lbs................Josh Boyd 310

That's 6lbs difference.

I'm excluding Raji, because he would have been starting if he wasn't injured.


Now big question Mr. Texas, why are you not calling Mike Pennel just another "big Fattie".

Be happy, you got what you wanted, just remember the old saying, be careful what you ask for.




Our overall Dline is smaller, and less talented. Our DEs are smaller and our NTs are less talented.
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