NFL Player Evaluating· Page 6

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

Thank you for taking the time to do this. I really appreciate it. Although, I think considering how much time I've wasted with this, I just might be crazy lol

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Hey, I'm just making you a "posting professional" think of all the posts and things you've had to research...with time you'll be a pro just like the eco major from the UK!

It's about the time not the ability to understand in the first place.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#52

Just SMH, mi_keys... I laughed at one of your quotes about agents not using it to negotiate contracts then to see later Zero comes back and posts that IT IS USED BY AGENTS to negotiate contracts.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Where did I say ProFootballFocus ratings are used by agents to negotiate contracts?

I found a quote from macbob that is cited by this link here .

"As of the 2011 season, PFF provides customized data to five NFL teams, along with a number of agents, media and NFL players."

Oh, those fools running NFL teams. Actually paying a UK ecology major to evaluate players.

How many teams are paying you to evaluate players for them, uffda?

Originally Posted by: macbob

I think I made this statement pretty clear.

Regarding their merits, well, ask ESPN, Sports Illustrated, FOX Sports and the dozen of other large outlets that trust their ratings enough to publish the same information in their articles. That's not to say they are the gold standard of ratings and agents should use them to negotiate contracts, lol.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#53

Hey, did you guys know one guy from PFF was born in the UK and studied ecology?

Originally Posted by: earthquake

Yes, and did you know PFF is based in the UK? I like getting all my football analysis from the UK the true home of NFL football...they do get a couple of games a year over there.

No matter the insult...no matter the disdain...you had to learn about PFF from me.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#54

Where did I say ProFootballFocus ratings are used by agents to negotiate contracts?

I found a quote from macbob that is cited by this link here .

I think I made this statement pretty clear.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Un freaking real... Un freaking real. Earlier when you were musing about PFF just learning of who they really were, you spoke to PFF and downplayed them and said it wasn't like they were being cited by agents for contracts.

Later...after doing your own research... you came back and posted something from them that stated agents do use PFF numbers. BTW, do you know any agents or ever talked to any? Those guys will use ANYTHING to try and get their clients more money legit or not legit. I know agents...I had one give my newborn a gift...I met him over at the Paris hotel in Vegas. Got to know him really well.

If an agent can use the perception that something is legit even when it isn't...he is using it.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#55

I'll see you guys next year. I'm sorry to have ruined PFF or diminished in some way for you. I just wanted to know for myself.

Please, no one and done...again.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#56

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Un freaking real is an understatement. I am still waiting for your claims to be substantiated in the post you yourself quoted, unless you want to blame the UK for that as well? Until then, I wait with great patience while eating my lunch.

macbob
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#57

Your silence was deafening last night. YOU DID NOT KNOW...what you did know is exactly what you posted last night that they are used by ESPN, FOX, etc... that does NOT mean you knew about the analysts because you didn't. You ASSUMED they were legit guys because you saw them quoted on sources you trust. However, you never thought to look at whether ESPN, FOX, etc. were making good decisions in trusting them. Sadly, I had to tell you about the analysts you pay to read and believe. Those are facts.

It would be nice of instead of false bravado you could just calmly and politely admit you had no idea who was putting out the ratings you were paying for. Nope. Have to go around and around and try intimating you did know when you know and I know that you didn't. it's okay...I didn't know either but then again I wasn't paying them nor do I hold them in high regard.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Apparently the background of the analysts is sufficient for the 13 NFL teams that are paying them, despite your attempts to paint them as not worthy.

mi_keys
Senior Member

9 years ago

#58

Where did I say ProFootballFocus ratings are used by agents to negotiate contracts?

I found a quote from macbob that is cited by this link here .

I think I made this statement pretty clear.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

But don't you see, Zero? Saying someone shouldn't necessarily use pff in contract negotiations definitely contradicts saying someone does actually do so.

Also, whether or not it was you that said it doesn't matter. Someone did and we're all the same kool-aid drinking, un-objective, rah-rah fanboys with green tinted glasses. So if someone said it, we all said it.

Plus, Dulak lives in the UK. Therefore, nothing any of us say regarding football is of value. Because of the transitive property of Britishness. QED bitches.

Born and bred a cheesehead

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#59

This stat line here is going to make EVERY Green Bay Packers fan disregard EVERYTHING ProFootballFocus.com ever grades, ever again!

I'm going to list off the top five graded 3 - 4 outside linebackers for the 2014 post season snaps ONLY.

[list=1]

Erik Walden (118 snaps) +6.3

James Harrison (52 snaps) +5.5

Julius Peppers (35 snaps) +4.0

Terrell Suggs (108 snaps) +3.6

Pernell McPhee (76 snaps) +2.4[/list]

Mucky Tundra
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#60

Erik Walden (118 snaps) +6.3

James Harrison (52 snaps) +5.5

Julius Peppers (35 snaps) +4.0

Terrell Suggs (108 snaps) +3.6

Pernell McPhee (76 snaps) +2.4[/list]

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

On the other hand

4. Green Bay Packers (10th)

Pass Blocking Ranking: 1st, Run Blocking Ranking: 14th, Penalties Ranking: 8th

Stud: You could pick either guard, but we’re going for T.J. Lang because his work in the run game is more impressive.

Dud: He’s no longer with the team but it was a disaster whenever Derek Sherrod got on the field. A -10.1 grade over 142 snaps is terrible.

Breakdown: The tackles are both strong with their pass blocking, but the highlight of this unit is the interior where they create movement in the running game and are as consistent as any time in pass protection.

Sorta baffles me when trying to ice the game that they didn't go behind the interior but to the outside.

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