DoddPower
8 years ago

"There is no such thing as luck. There is only preparation, meeting opportunity." -Vince Lombardi

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



That's a nice cliche' and all, but it's still a cliche'. There is some degree of "luck" involved when it comes to evaluating NFL talent. Ted Thompson is a good evaluator of talent, but even he fails often. Ultimately it's likely a matter of semantics. Scouts and General Managers can only do so much. Ultimately, it's up to health and the motivation of the player. Both of those things can change quickly and dramatically.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

That move took kojones.

Not only did Favre think he was running the show, but it would also necessitate Ted finding a coaching staff who would be able to develop Aaron. Perhaps you think Sherman/Rosseley were going to do that. I do not think they would have been able to, even if they hadn't had their heads up Favre's keester.

THEN there is the situation with moving on from Bert to Aaron. That took more balls than perhaps any personnell move in NFL history. And this all is just a small part of what Ted has done.

You can say he has "neglected" the ILB position, but the FACT is, we clearly had the players needed to win the SB this past year with Hawk and BJones still on the roster.

Ted is a dude who drafted BOTH Eddie Lacy AND Johnathan Franklin. And as usual, he only gets to keep one of them. If you list just the players who Ted has lost due to injury, you could probably make the playoffs with those players alone. And I'm not counting Harrell, or guys who had an injury history.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I disagree. If you're saying without an elite QB, the Packers would only be an average team, then I will agree with that. But that seems rhetorical to me. It's incredibly difficult for ANY team to be great without a great QB. It's basically a necessity. So that argument doesn't do much for me. There are many teams around the league that would instantly be contenders if they had Aaron Rodgers or another elite QB. But without them, they are average, at best. It doesn't necessarily mean that they have inadequate General Managers. That's just the way the NFL is. Some teams might be able to catch lightning in a bottle for a season or be one of the rare all time greats without an elite QB, but that's incredibly rare in today's NFL.

Who's to say the Packers wouldn't have developed another quarterback if not for Aaron Rodgers? Perhaps they would have found someone else to sit behind Favre for a few years, even if it meant he stuck around longer. None of us can say for certain. It's all conjecture. The only fact is that Ted Thompson DOES have Aaron Rodgers and has built a perennial contender. He can't be discredited because he drafted an elite quarterback. It's his team and he deserves the good and bad credit that the team gets.

Moreover, the Packers have shown they can still be an effective football team at times when playing with a second string QB (a noodle arm one, at that). Many people slam Aaron Rodgers and call him a "system" QB. Give the Packers another 1st round draft pick or so that takes all the starting reps for a few seasons and who knows what could happen. I think they would still develop an above average QB that operates well in the system. They would also still be in great shape financially and be a consistent organization.
nerdmann
8 years ago

Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Ted knew from day 1 that he would have to stand up to Favre and take back control of the team, and he did so. That's the bottom line.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Bigbyfan
8 years ago

Without Rodgers, we don't have a SB under Ted. Without Rodgers we wouldn't have even been close with the team from last year.

If Brett had committed to playing another 2-3 years, rather than announcing his retirement when he did. The team likely would have parted ways with Rodgers without him ever really taking the field.

Without Rodgers, Ted would be just another GM.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



If the Patriots didn't have Brady, would they have won those championships? How about the Saints without Bree's? Colts without Manning? Even the Seahawks without Wilson?

Your argument is incredibly flawed.
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DakotaT
8 years ago

If the Patriots didn't have Brady, would they have won those championships? How about the Saints without Bree's? Colts without Manning? Even the Seahawks without Wilson?

Your argument is incredibly flawed.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



TT, Sherman, and Wolf don't have a valid excuse not to have more hardware in the trophy case, yet the kool aid boys keep making excuses for them. I guess that's part of being true fans. ::roll: To have over twenty years of hall of fame quarterbacking and 2 championships to show for it, is not very good.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

I disagree. If you're saying without an elite QB, the Packers would only be an average team, then I will agree with that. But that seems rhetorical to me. It's incredibly difficult for ANY team to be great without a great QB. It's basically a necessity. So that argument doesn't do much for me. There are many teams around the league that would instantly be contenders if they had Aaron Rodgers or another elite QB. But without them, they are average, at best. It doesn't necessarily mean that they have inadequate General Managers. That's just the way the NFL is. Some teams might be able to catch lightning in a bottle for a season or be one of the rare all time greats without an elite QB, but that's incredibly rare in today's NFL.

Who's to say the Packers wouldn't have developed another quarterback if not for Aaron Rodgers? Perhaps they would have found someone else to sit behind Favre for a few years, even if it meant he stuck around longer. None of us can say for certain. It's all conjecture. The only fact is that Ted Thompson DOES have Aaron Rodgers and has built a perennial contender. He can't be discredited because he drafted an elite quarterback. It's his team and he deserves the good and bad credit that the team gets.

Moreover, the Packers have shown they can still be an effective football team at times when playing with a second string QB (a noodle arm one, at that). Many people slam Aaron Rodgers and call him a "system" QB. Give the Packers another 1st round draft pick or so that takes all the starting reps for a few seasons and who knows what could happen. I think they would still develop an above average QB that operates well in the system. They would also still be in great shape financially and be a consistent organization.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



What I have been saying, is that what typically makes the difference between a good GM and a great GM, a good coach and a great coach are the QB they have. What happened in NE that vaulted that staff? an Injury, if Bledsoe doesn't go down, we are likely not talking about the NE staff and Belicheck the same way we are today. What happened in Indy? Peyton.

I am not going to walk around and say Ted is more of a GM than he is because he was lucky enough to end up needing a QB when Rodgers fell in the draft, and Favre announcing his retirement before Rodgers rookie deal expired. That Ted is so much more than some other GMs who just haven't had the luck to end up with the right QB falling to him.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Ted knew from day 1 that he would have to stand up to Favre and take back control of the team, and he did so. That's the bottom line.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Keep dreaming and acting like you actually know what Ted KNEW. And keep Shitting yourself with your posting.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

If the Patriots didn't have Brady, would they have won those championships? How about the Saints without Bree's? Colts without Manning? Even the Seahawks without Wilson?

Your argument is incredibly flawed.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



No, they likely wouldn't which is exactly the point. SeaHawks might be an exception at this point because the didn't win by offense, and we have yet to see what they do once they have to pay Wilson.

If Rodgers has been picked in the early 20's before getting to us, The packers are probably a completely different team and likely do not have the SB or records they have had over the last few years.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
DakotaT
8 years ago



If Rodgers has been picked in the early 20's before getting to us, The packers are probably a completely different team and likely do not have the SB or records they have had over the last few years.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



And the Minnesota Vikings should get Christmas/thank you cards every year from Packers fans for the gift of drafting not once, but twice in round one and letting Rodgers drop to us.
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