Wade
  • Wade
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8 years ago
I guess what I'm saying is this: Saying you're "good enough" is a recipe for mediocrity, even if you are at the top of the pile. And Green Bay isn't at the top of the pile.

I'm really worried if our GM is operating as if he doesn't need to do what we can to upgrade starters at several positions on this team, including,especially, ILB, CB, DT, and TE. I'm not saying he has to draft entirely by need, and I'm not saying he's going to be able to get the improvement at all the positions.

But I am saying that he *should not* go into this draft and say "we don't need a new starter or three coming out of this draft.

Because *all* of the following will *not* happen:
1. Quarless performs as a "top echelon" TE.
2. The defense becomes "Barrington's Team".
3. B J Raji becomes the force for a full year that he was for half a year in 2010.
4. Heyward or Hyde become a shut-down corner.
5. Nick Perry becomes a stud.
6. Datone Jones becomes a week-in, week-out stud.
7. Richard Rodgers becomes a week-in, week-out stud.
8. Bahktiari becomes a dominant LT.


And because, absent new personnel from this draft, *some* of the following *will* happen.

1. Our current TEs will perform somewhere between "mediocre" and "serviceable." Just like 2014.
2. Our ILBs will perform somewhere between "mediocre" and "good" when CM3 plays inside and somewhere between "bad" and "serviceable" when he doesn't. Just like 2014.
3. Our NT will perform somewhere between "mediocre" and "serviceable." Just like 2014.
4. Our DBs will perform somewhere between "mediocre" and "serviceable." Just like 2014, or worse.
5. Our DL/OLB not called Peppers/CM3/Daniels will perform somewhere between "mediocre" and "barely OK". Just like 2014, or worse.
6. Some teams like Detroit, Dallas, Seattle, San Francisco, New Orleans, Philadelphia, et al will improve relative to GB.
7. GB will do no better than it did last year playoff-wisie.
8. And more likely will do worse.

Fans can go ahead and be optimistic about the current team making all the improvements necessary to make the team better relative to its competition than it was last year.

Ted cannot.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
steveishere
8 years ago

I guess what I'm saying is this: Saying you're "good enough" is a recipe for mediocrity, even if you are at the top of the pile. And Green Bay isn't at the top of the pile.

I'm really worried if our GM is operating as if he doesn't need to do what we can to upgrade starters at several positions on this team, including,especially, ILB, CB, DT, and TE. I'm not saying he has to draft entirely by need, and I'm not saying he's going to be able to get the improvement at all the positions.

Originally Posted by: Wade 



Except you can think you are "good enough" and still improve if an opportunity presents itself. Saying or thinking you are good enough doesn't mean it has to stay how it is. Saying your are good enough is not a recipe for anything. Thing is you still have to prioritize at some point. If 2 guys are rated exactly the same but are the highest on the board and it's a ILB and a NT you are taking the ILB but if you have a NT rated the best player in the draft and he's available your taking him over the ILB.

Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Except you can think you are "good enough" and still improve if an opportunity presents itself. Saying or thinking you are good enough doesn't mean it has to stay how it is. Saying your are good enough is not a recipe for anything. Thing is you still have to prioritize at some point. If 2 guys are rated exactly the same but are the highest on the board and it's a ILB and a NT you are taking the ILB but if you have a NT rated the best player in the draft and he's available your taking him over the ILB.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



If the two players with the highest grade are Nose Tackle and Inside Linebacker, I absolutely take the Nose Tackle. A great defensive line will make a mediocre linebacker look better than the other way around. 


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Smokey
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8 years ago
IMO , the 2014 Packer Offense will look much the same as the 2014 version. The 2015 Packer Defense and Special Teams are yet a mystery. Much will depend on the players that Ted Thompson gets in the 2015 Draft and the Free Agent market. As he is in a high stakes game for resources(players), don't expect any direct clues as to what he will do.
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steveishere
8 years ago



If the two players with the highest grade are Nose Tackle and Inside Linebacker, I absolutely take the Nose Tackle. A great defensive line will make a mediocre linebacker look better than the other way around. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I said NT because that's a much less likely spot for a rookie to start than ILB, which was the point of my post. If NT doesn't work for you then choose a different position like WR or RB where we are "good enough" for next year. Not to mention your line is not likely to be very "great" with a rookie at NT though on our team he'd more than likely be on the bench all next year.

Either way point = equally graded players, take the most needed. Player at a position where you are currently "good enough" rated way higher vs player at a need, take way higher rated player.
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

I said NT because that's a much less likely spot for a rookie to start than ILB, which was the point of my post. If NT doesn't work for you then choose a different position like WR or RB where we are "good enough" for next year. Not to mention your line is not likely to be very "great" with a rookie at NT though on our team he'd more than likely be on the bench all next year.

Either way point = equally graded players, take the most needed. Player at a position where you are currently "good enough" rated way higher vs player at a need, take way higher rated player.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I don't think starting by default makes you better.  Using your example, actually allow me to use names because it will be easier.  Melvin Gordon and Amari Cooper are available #30 and the Packers have them both rated high and above anyone they could get by trading down, I take Gordon. 


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steveishere
8 years ago



I don't think starting by default makes you better.  Using your example, actually allow me to use names because it will be easier.  Melvin Gordon and Amari Cooper are available #30 and the Packers have them both rated high and above anyone they could get by trading down, I take Gordon. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



It doesn't mean the player is automatically better than another player but if you have 2 equally rated players 1 will probably start or at least play a lot and 1 probably wont see many snaps then taking the one that will start WILL make your team better for the next season. Your example would better better if you used Melvin Gordon vs Erik Kendricks then assumed both players are rated equally. We'd probably take Kendricks
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

It doesn't mean the player is automatically better than another player but if you have 2 equally rated players 1 will probably start or at least play a lot and 1 probably wont see many snaps then taking the one that will start WILL make your team better for the next season. Your example would better better if you used Melvin Gordon vs Erik Kendricks then assumed both players are rated equally. We'd probably take Kendricks

Originally Posted by: steveishere 


My example, no, that was your example. All I did was apply two names to make it easier and make a decision.

Since you have modified your example, I will play along. If you have Melvin Gordon and Erik Kendricks and both are equally rated as the two best prospects, I would take Kendricks. But that is not what you posed in your example of RB and WR. So annoying when people do this.



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steveishere
8 years ago


My example, no, that was your example. All I did was apply two names to make it easier and make a decision.

Since you have modified your example, I will play along. If you have Melvin Gordon and Erik Kendricks and both are equally rated as the two best prospects, I would take Kendricks. But that is not what you posed in your example of RB and WR. So annoying when people do this.


Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying if you don't believe NT to be a position we are "good enough" for the example then substitute in either a RB or a WR instead of the NT so Kendricks vs Gordon would be EXACTLY what I was posing. as opposed to say Kendricks vs whoever that's a NT. I didn't say anything about comparing a RB vs a WR, reread what I wrote.
Zero2Cool
8 years ago

That wasn't what I was saying. I was saying if you don't believe NT to be a position we are "good enough" for the example then substitute in either a RB or a WR instead of the NT so Kendricks vs Gordon would be EXACTLY what I was posing. as opposed to say Kendricks vs whoever that's a NT. I didn't say anything about comparing a RB vs a WR, reread what I wrote.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I'm not going to reread what you said. I'm going to stubbornly say I am right, you are not and stick my thumbs in my ears and walk away! 

Okay, you were saying to supplant the position of NT with RB or WR, not to use RB and WR. Got it. My mistake. 

I'm really stuck on the whole improve the DL drum. I don't feel the Packers DL is good enough.  Mike Daniels is the only one on the DL that is really good. The rest of the lot seems to be placeholders.  If the DL won't keep blockers off Linebackers, it doesn't matter if you have Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis back there. 


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