Pack93z
10 years ago

I don't think it is, the contract is contingent on him signing his name to it. Trades are contingent on a player passing a physical but when you sign a player off somebody's practice squad you have to sign them to your team for at least 2 weeks so they already gave him a contract. This wasn't a trade or anything where another team is getting compensation it's not really any different from signing any FA.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



But it is more like a waiver wire pick up but with the minimum roster requirement.. they caught this on the introductory physical to join practices. If you waive a player injured, the player is protected as they have to be put on the IR and waived injured with financial compensation. It also protects the next team in signing damaged goods.

I fail to see how the contract would not be voided.. unless it is a loophole in the rules.. otherwise why not expose more injured players to the practice squad to circumvent the IR rules.. they can be called up at any time. Once teams start stashing injured players on the PS, it will really make an opposing team pluck someone off your PS.

And once the player is healthy.. they can be called up at a moments notice.
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yooperfan
10 years ago

The contract should be contingent upon passing the physical. That's what's happened in the past when there've been trades and whatnot, iirc.

Then again the Packers might not even want him.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



This wasn't a trade.
Too bad for Cleveland.
My question is: why did the Packers medical crew not know this and allow him to practice with the taxi squad, or did they?

steveishere
10 years ago

This wasn't a trade.
Too bad for Cleveland.
My question is: why did the Packers medical crew not know this and allow him to practice with the taxi squad, or did they?

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



He probably didn't say anything about it and they didn't know.
yooperfan
10 years ago

He probably didn't say anything about it and they didn't know.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



I have to think that in the NFL today, that any teams medical crew would be more on top of things than just taking a players word.
Perhaps that's why the Packers are so beset with serious injuries.

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10 years ago

But it is more like a waiver wire pick up but with the minimum roster requirement.. they caught this on the introductory physical to join practices. If you waive a player injured, the player is protected as they have to be put on the IR and waived injured with financial compensation. It also protects the next team in signing damaged goods.

I fail to see how the contract would not be voided.. unless it is a loophole in the rules.. otherwise why not expose more injured players to the practice squad to circumvent the IR rules.. they can be called up at any time. Once teams start stashing injured players on the PS, it will really make an opposing team pluck someone off your PS.

And once the player is healthy.. they can be called up at a moments notice.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



I can't imagine the loophole being in the players favor even with union negotiators.
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steveishere
10 years ago

I have to think that in the NFL today, that any teams medical crew would be more on top of things than just taking a players word.
Perhaps that's why the Packers are so beset with serious injuries.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



What like make them take a lie detector before practice and ask if they are injured?
sschind
10 years ago
From what i understand they signed him so he is theirs. He has to stay on the 53 man roster for 2 more weeks (its 3 weeks but he signed before their last game so that counts as 1) then they can put him on IR and replace him.

Whether the contact should be voided or should be contingent upon passing a physical (it isn't) is open for debate but mostly it sounds like Packers fans arguing for it because they want him back to stash him on their own IR.
beast
10 years ago

From what i understand they signed him so he is theirs. He has to stay on the 53 man roster for 2 more weeks (its 3 weeks but he signed before their last game so that counts as 1) then they can put him on IR and replace him.
Whether the contact should be voided or should be contingent upon passing a physical (it isn't) is open for debate but mostly it sounds like Packers fans arguing for it because they want him back to stash him on their own IR.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I agree with this. I don't think the NFL will do anything, and therefor the Browns will be able to keep him. (not saying it's right nor proper according to the rules, but I think NFL will turn a blind eye to this)

But it is more like a waiver wire pick up but with the minimum roster requirement.. they caught this on the introductory physical to join practices. If you waive a player injured, the player is protected as they have to be put on the IR and waived injured with financial compensation. It also protects the next team in signing damaged goods.

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Yes... and no. When it's known the player is injured, you're totally right. But this is more like when it's unknown.

I agree with your augrement. But I'm also thinking the NFL is going to avoid this one and nothing is going to happen (unless someone is able to complain enough, but since he's now on the 53 man roster IR, I don't sure why the player, agent, NFLPA would complain. I don't think the Browns are going to complain, and the Packers are the ones that screwed up, so they might not complain either.)

I fail to see how the contract would not be voided..

Originally Posted by: Pack93z 



Simple, NFL wants to avoid admitting one of their teams made a mistake and if the Browns, Packers, player, agent and NFLPA don't complain then the issue is going away as fast as it popped up.

If forced to come up with an arguement for doing nothing, I think the NFL would just say, as a practice squad players, he was a FA (yes avoiding that he might of been hurt before being released by the Packers) and point out that being put on the 53 man roster gets him more money than he would of on the practice squad. But NFL normally avoids the direct issue when explaining things and put to the parts that agree with them.



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nerdmann
10 years ago
Ted will hash it out with their GM.
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sschind
10 years ago

I agree with this. I don't think the NFL will do anything, and therefor the Browns will be able to keep him. (not saying it's right nor proper according to the rules, but I think NFL will turn a blind eye to this)


Originally Posted by: beast 



Its not that they won't do anything, they can't do anything because there is nothing to do. I don't know what you mean about it being right and proper because it is right and proper. The Browns signed a guy off the practice squad and put him on their 53 man roster. That is all they had to do according to the rules. People are trying to read way more into this than there is. Packers fans seem to want to think that the Browns did something wrong, or are doing something wrong. They did not and they are not.

If the Browns wanted to void the contract they might be able to claim that someone was hiding something but since the Packers did not benefit anything from it they (the Browns) would be hard pressed to prove any deception on the part of the Packers. They may be able to claim Johnson knew and hid it but again, how can they prove it. Unless there is a doctor visit somewhere on record that says he had the injury before the signing there is really nothing they can prove. Besides, it doesn't sound like they want to contest it (if that is what you want to call it) anyway.

Face it Packers fans, Johnson got away and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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