DakotaT
8 years ago

FYI, I had, not 10, but 25 years of Horn, Tagge, Hunter, Delgazo, Hadl, Whitehurts, Cambell, Wright, Tomszac, etc.

The Redskins in '72 PO game played a 5 man DL w/ 3 DBs that is how much the QB sucked. They shut down the run game 27-66 and one run was for 18 yards, so that's less than 2 YPC w/o the long run. Playing just 3 DBs hunter was 12-24-150-0-1Int. and the WRs 5 catches for 74 yards, half the pass yardage was dump offs to backs. Tavaris Jackson would have looked like Bart Starr compared to Noodle armed Hunter. The other 21 starters were damn good.

in 25 years, GB only got a few good years from Dickey, who was less durable than Abberderis, and 1 year of Magic. Then all of a sudden we got Brooks, Hasselbeck, Favre and Brunell.


[Now after that trip down memory lane I needed some therapy and a shower, now I'm back]

But, I guess I'm missing the logic here. I'm evaluating his play and evaluating his role as a leader, not "complaining." Is he good in 2015 because he set the record for Passer rating in 2011? If you believe he played well, then provide counter-argument.

Or can we not criticize GB idols? IMO, it's that attitude that made us post season misfits, if we made it there, 2000-2008.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



No, critique away. I'm just glad we have him, and I'm sure 30+ teams in the league would love to have him too. Is he infallible, obviously not, but I wouldn't trade him for anybody else.
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Cheesey
8 years ago
The one thing about Rodgers that has bothered me this year is the amount of guys that have been wide open short, and he either ignores them or waits too long for the throw to them that the defense has time to react and it kills any possibility to make it a big gain.

Too many drops also has hurt a lot.

Rodgers just needs to settle down and get on the same page with his receivers.
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steveishere
8 years ago

The one thing about Rodgers that has bothered me this year is the amount of guys that have been wide open short, and he either ignores them or waits too long for the throw to them that the defense has time to react and it kills any possibility to make it a big gain.

Too many drops also has hurt a lot.

Rodgers just needs to settle down and get on the same page with his receivers.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Them not being on the same page so often (and all of the o-line protection screw ups) is what make me think a huge part of the problem is the big mix up they've done with all of the coaches and playcalling. I don't think Rodgers works nearly as well with the current set up as he did with McCarthy running the whole show. That would be a preferable scenario to one where Rodgers' mind and confidence is off but time will tell.
nerdmann
8 years ago

Them not being on the same page so often (and all of the o-line protection screw ups) is what make me think a huge part of the problem is the big mix up they've done with all of the coaches and playcalling. I don't think Rodgers works nearly as well with the current set up as he did with McCarthy running the whole show. That would be a preferable scenario to one where Rodgers' mind and confidence is off but time will tell.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



If I'm not mistaken, isn't Van Pelt now both QB and WR coach now?
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DoddPower
8 years ago

Or can we not criticize GB idols? IMO, it's that attitude that made us post season misfits, if we made it there, 2000-2008.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I don't think that was his point. I think he's just saying having a struggling Aaron Rodgers is still a nice problem to have. Perhaps one could throw it under the cliche' "first world problems" statement. As a fan or a coach, I'd much rather have a struggling Aaron Rodgers than pretty much any other QB in the league. He needs to play better, as does most the team, but it's still good to be a Packer fan. I'd rather a struggling Rodgers than a Ryan Fitzpatrick playing well. All of Rodgers issues are fixable, and who knows how much injuries are at play here. We'll likely never know, that's for sure.

At least half of this current Packers organization probably wouldn't have jobs right now if not for Aaron Rodgers. He gets a decent bit of benefit of the doubt. He's earned it. He's certainly not above criticism, but when understanding the context of this season, I'm not too upset. Even if Aaron Rodgers was playing well I don't think a Dom Capers defense is good enough to win another Super Bowl unless it was full of elite talent. I doubt the dearth of talent at tight end can be overcame, either.
8 years ago

I don't think that was his point. I think he's just saying having a struggling Aaron Rodgers is still a nice problem to have. Perhaps one could throw it under the cliche' "first world problems" statement. As a fan or a coach, I'd much rather have a struggling Aaron Rodgers than pretty much any other QB in the league. He needs to play better, as does most the team, but it's still good to be a Packer fan. I'd rather a struggling Rodgers than a Ryan Fitzpatrick playing well. All of Rodgers issues are fixable, and who knows how much injuries are at play here. We'll likely never know, that's for sure.

At least half of this current Packers organization probably wouldn't have jobs right now if not for Aaron Rodgers. He gets a decent bit of benefit of the doubt. He's earned it. He's certainly not above criticism, but when understanding the context of this season, I'm not too upset. Even if Aaron Rodgers was playing well I don't think a Dom Capers defense is good enough to win another Super Bowl unless it was full of elite talent. I doubt the dearth of talent at tight end can be overcame, either.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



This is the best reply one could ever make. I wish I could applaud it a million times. Is Aaron Rodgers perfect? No! Has he struggled some? Yes! When everything is clicking is he the best damn quarterback I've ever seen? ABSOLUTELY.

Criticism is ok, calling a guy an asshole when we don't know the context of the situation and never will is juvenile. A-rod expects a lot from himself, and thus expects the same from his wideouts.

But perhaps playing patty-cake and a but squeeze will help wideouts learn to run their routes better?
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8 years ago

This is the best reply one could ever make. I wish I could applaud it a million times. Is Aaron Rodgers perfect? No! Has he struggled some? Yes! When everything is clicking is he the best damn quarterback I've ever seen? ABSOLUTELY.

Criticism is ok, calling a guy an asshole when we don't know the context of the situation and never will is juvenile. A-rod expects a lot from himself, and thus expects the same from his wideouts.

But perhaps playing patty-cake and a but squeeze will help wideouts learn to run their routes better?

Originally Posted by: FLORIDA PACKER88 



Nice strawman! It's is not about expecting alot; it's about when a WR messes up how does the QB handle it...AR could have said something in the huddle or on SL after the drive. I think AR's public comments on Janis are unconscionable [I'm trying to be grown up here😂]; but the person that dresses his teammate down on the field is a bad teammate, a trader to the G & G, a complete arrogant asshole! Sorry, but that is the legal terminology for that behavior. He can get away with this as long as he playing at an MVP level; but this becomes major carcinogenic stuff when a "leader" screws up as much or more than anyone else; but decides to publicly call out the mistakes of others.

Olin Kreutz was talkin' about Bears debacle at end of Den game on 2 pt conv. Cutler checked to a run that had no chance given the line call and DL alignment. On post game Fox was asked about the play and he did the typical Mike McCarthy dance-around [BTW, this is the right thing to do]...He said its scheme cant talk about schematics blah blah blah. Cutler was asked next and he said that Foxy covered it, its scheme. Kreutz blasted Cutler for not being a leader; he said a leader stands up and says I made the wrong call!

Kruetz excoriating a guy for being silent and not taking the blame. I'm sure the word asshole would be one of the more milder expletives that would have crossed Kruetz' mind if a QB misses a wide open James Jones and then dresses down Adams in public for his failure to run a correct route.

And dont sleep on the idea that the drops are in part due to receivers trying to please Lord Rodgers. They may be pressing and their attention may be divided by trying to run the more perfect route.
DoddPower
8 years ago

Nice strawman! It's is not about expecting alot; it's about when a WR messes up how does the QB handle it...AR could have said something in the huddle or on SL after the drive. I think AR's public comments on Janis are unconscionable [I'm trying to be grown up here😂]; but the person that dresses his teammate down on the field is a bad teammate, a trader to the G & G, a complete arrogant asshole! Sorry, but that is the legal terminology for that behavior. He can get away with this as long as he playing at an MVP level; but this becomes major carcinogenic stuff when a "leader" screws up as much or more than anyone else; but decides to publicly call out the mistakes of others.

Olin Kreutz was talkin' about Bears debacle at end of Den game on 2 pt conv. Cutler checked to a run that had no chance given the line call and DL alignment. On post game Fox was asked about the play and he did the typical Mike McCarthy dance-around [BTW, this is the right thing to do]...He said its scheme cant talk about schematics blah blah blah. Cutler was asked next and he said that Foxy covered it, its scheme. Kreutz blasted Cutler for not being a leader; he said a leader stands up and says I made the wrong call!

Kruetz excoriating a guy for being silent and not taking the blame. I'm sure the word asshole would be one of the more milder expletives that would have crossed Kruetz' mind if a QB misses a wide open James Jones and then dresses down Adams in public for his failure to run a correct route.

And dont sleep on the idea that the drops are in part due to receivers trying to please Lord Rodgers. They may be pressing and their attention may be divided by trying to run the more perfect route.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



Brady was chewing out his offense just the other night on the sidelines. Peyton Manning has obviously done it many times. The list goes on and on. It's what quarterbacks do. You can complain all you want, but the majority of us are still going to be happy that Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. If it bothers you so much, write him a letter or something.

Aaron Rodgers is just fine and I guarantee you that the vast majority of his teammates are also glad he is their QB. There may be a few that would prefer Tom Brady, but you couldn't necessarily blame them for that, either.

mi_keys
8 years ago

Brady was chewing out his offense just the other night on the sidelines. Peyton Manning has obviously done it many times. The list goes on and on. It's what quarterbacks do. You can complain all you want, but the majority of us are still going to be happy that Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. If it bothers you so much, write him a letter or something.

Aaron Rodgers is just fine and I guarantee you that the vast majority of his teammates are also glad he is their QB. There may be a few that would prefer Tom Brady, but you couldn't necessarily blame them for that, either.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Hey, the receivers need a safe space far away from Aaron's micro aggressions.
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nerdmann
8 years ago

Brady was chewing out his offense just the other night on the sidelines. Peyton Manning has obviously done it many times. The list goes on and on. It's what quarterbacks do. You can complain all you want, but the majority of us are still going to be happy that Aaron Rodgers is the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers. If it bothers you so much, write him a letter or something.

Aaron Rodgers is just fine and I guarantee you that the vast majority of his teammates are also glad he is their QB. There may be a few that would prefer Tom Brady, but you couldn't necessarily blame them for that, either.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Tom and Peyton publicly blame others for their own poor play and mistakes?
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