hardrocker950
8 years ago

OK Personally, I don't think it would make a difference when you have an Oline that can't block long enough for the 10+ yard routes being called to develop.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



I disagree to an extent. A lot of the success/failure of the scenario would depend on playcalling. If you are calling for long passes all day - then I fully agree, our current OL would not be consistent enough to be successful. If you borrow the Chiefs playbook and throw it short and let the receiver make a play, then that speed can be a difference maker.
voiceofreason
8 years ago

Thanks for making this thread, I was going to get around to it.

I wasn't really thinking about draft picks, but it definitely a good route to take this thread. Without looking at anything other than your post:
Solution: take brown in the 5th, trade up in the 3rd to get wheaton, and absolutely take bryant over rodgers. Rodgers would probably have been there in the 4th anyways.


But seriously, watching the last 2 steelers games this is my determination:

Brown is better than Jordy. Wheaton and Bryant are both much much better than Cobb, and everyone else we have on our roster. Their top 3 is absolutely awesome and I am honestly embarrassed having ever argued that the packers had a top 3 WR corps.

These 3 make our current crew of guys look like they don't even belong in the league. They are head and shoulders above.

Hell, EVEN THEIR FULLBACK makes our WR's look like trash.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



Antonio Brown over Starks because he is a truly special player. Rodgers to Brown would be amazeballs. I've always loved Starks and will continue to do so, but come on, Antonio Brown is MUCH better.

Eddie Lacy over Wheaton because of stats. Lacy has for a career: 657 rushing attempts for 2,834 yards and 22 TD's and 93 receptions for 813 yards and 5 TD's. (3647 yards 27 TD's) Wheaton has for a career: 87 receptions for 1,232 yards and 5 TD's and 4 rushing attempts for 19 yards. (1251 yards 5TD's) Hell, Davante Adams has 74 catches for 789 yards and 4 TD's on his career and has played 15 less games than Wheaton.

Bryant over Richard Rodgers. Easy call because I also believe Rodgers would have been available in the 4th round and was also very interested in Bryant predraft. He is supremely talented. The only caveat with Bryant is that he is supremely immature. Not even 2 years in the league and he is one failed piss test away from becoming Josh Gordon.

blank
texaspackerbacker
8 years ago

Thanks for making this thread, I was going to get around to it.

I wasn't really thinking about draft picks, but it definitely a good route to take this thread. Without looking at anything other than your post:
Solution: take brown in the 5th, trade up in the 3rd to get wheaton, and absolutely take bryant over rodgers. Rodgers would probably have been there in the 4th anyways.


But seriously, watching the last 2 steelers games this is my determination:

Brown is better than Jordy. Wheaton and Bryant are both much much better than Cobb, and everyone else we have on our roster. Their top 3 is absolutely awesome and I am honestly embarrassed having ever argued that the packers had a top 3 WR corps.

These 3 make our current crew of guys look like they don't even belong in the league. They are head and shoulders above.

Hell, EVEN THEIR FULLBACK makes our WR's look like trash.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



There wouldn't be just a touch of sarcasm in your post, would there?


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
DoddPower
8 years ago

Thanks for making this thread, I was going to get around to it.

I wasn't really thinking about draft picks, but it definitely a good route to take this thread. Without looking at anything other than your post:
Solution: take brown in the 5th, trade up in the 3rd to get wheaton, and absolutely take bryant over rodgers. Rodgers would probably have been there in the 4th anyways.


But seriously, watching the last 2 steelers games this is my determination:

Brown is better than Jordy. Wheaton and Bryant are both much much better than Cobb, and everyone else we have on our roster. Their top 3 is absolutely awesome and I am honestly embarrassed having ever argued that the packers had a top 3 WR corps.

These 3 make our current crew of guys look like they don't even belong in the league. They are head and shoulders above.

Hell, EVEN THEIR FULLBACK makes our WR's look like trash.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 



Whose receiving core doesn't the Steelers group show up? They have one of the most talented offenses in the NFL when healthy, by far. Bell is an incredible player, as well.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

I disagree to an extent. A lot of the success/failure of the scenario would depend on playcalling. If you are calling for long passes all day - then I fully agree, our current OL would not be consistent enough to be successful. If you borrow the Chiefs playbook and throw it short and let the receiver make a play, then that speed can be a difference maker.

Originally Posted by: hardrocker950 



That is a brunt of the problem. We are not running the short routes. And when they are they are pretty predictable. WR Bubble screen, TE into the flat or some short sideline route. Most of our routes are 10+ yards and do an out or hook and look at Rodgers and if he breaks the pocket, move to find an opening. We don't run many short quick plays and we barely run anything between the hash marks less than 10 yards.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
texaspackerbacker
8 years ago

That is a brunt of the problem. We are not running the short routes. And when they are they are pretty predictable. WR Bubble screen, TE into the flat or some short sideline route. Most of our routes are 10+ yards and do an out or hook and look at Rodgers and if he breaks the pocket, move to find an opening. We don't run many short quick plays and we barely run anything between the hash marks less than 10 yards.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Ironically, not long ago, a lot of people were saying we were throwing too many short passes. We do often hit the TE in the flat - that's bread and butter; I hate bubble screens - among the riskiest plays in the book; Regular screens, on the other hand, were neglected for a long time, but the coaches musta read the forums because we've been doing that with some success. Short passes between the hash marks can be tough and risky too when the other team doesn't need to blitz and the pass rush is still instantly in the QB's face. Any of that gets tough if the D doesn't much worry about long passes and can crowd up for the short ones.


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Ironically, not long ago, a lot of people were saying we were throwing too many short passes. We do often hit the TE in the flat - that's bread and butter; I hate bubble screens - among the riskiest plays in the book; Regular screens, on the other hand, were neglected for a long time, but the coaches musta read the forums because we've been doing that with some success. Short passes between the hash marks can be tough and risky too when the other team doesn't need to blitz and the pass rush is still instantly in the QB's face. Any of that gets tough if the D doesn't much worry about long passes and can crowd up for the short ones.

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker 



I think throwing short passes is good, we have won SB doing it. Look at how our defense gets beat most of the time. WR or TE getting dragged under or over the top of our LBers. And we don't try to put pressure on that area against our opponents. And because of that I see our opponents LBers dropping into that 10+ yard area filling where we are trying to throw with bodies.

If we run a crossing route at 3-4 yards DB are always trailing and if the LBers don't stay short, there is an easy completion for a 4-5 or more yard completion. If the Lber stays short, it opens the zone behind them, which in turn pressures the deep coverage. That would also pull the DB out of the flat so if we threw to the TE sprinting out, there is one less defender to tackle him.

So much of our receiving game is simply our guy needs to be his defender. We don't scheme guys open like is done against our defense so much.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
steveishere
8 years ago

Whose receiving core doesn't the Steelers group show up? They have one of the most talented offenses in the NFL when healthy, by far. Bell is an incredible player, as well.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Not only that but what if you do the reverse? Take away Antonio Brown then compare them to our top 3 with Jordy Nelson in the lineup. Jordy/Cobb/Adams vs Bryant/Wheaton/Hayward-Bey...
Zero2Cool
8 years ago
I wonder how much of it is Ben throwing the ball to his WR and giving them an opportunity over the perceived "supreme" talent.
UserPostedImage
texaspackerbacker
8 years ago

I wonder how much of it is Ben throwing the ball to his WR and giving them an opportunity over the perceived "supreme" talent.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I'll take the "supreme" talent any day of the week.


Expressing the Good Normal Views of Good Normal Americans.
If Anything I Say Smacks of Extremism, Please Tell Me EXACTLY What.
Fan Shout
dfosterf (11h) : Maybe
Mucky Tundra (11h) : Yes
Zero2Cool (12h) : No.
Mucky Tundra (14h) : End of a Degu-era
dhazer (15h) : Steelers sign Patterson because of new kickoff rule interesting
Zero2Cool (18h) : Former #Packers TE Josiah Deguara is signing a 1-year deal with the Jaguars, per source.
Zero2Cool (19h) : They do not do it for "content sake".
dfosterf (28-Mar) : For the record, I enjoy Beast and Mucky drafts
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Haha
Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : No time for talking! Back to work beast!
beast (27-Mar) : You saw only 4,201 of my mocks? 🥺 I think that means you missed more than half of them 😢
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Does anyone know what Lambeau field improvements got put on hold? My guess would be for the 2025 draft
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : It's like listen, you made 4,201 mocks, no shit.
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Cuz during the draft "I had them mocked there!" as if it's amazing.
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : They're fun to do once in awhile. It's people who think they are "content" that annoy me.
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Against tbd
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Answer to your question is yes, it's a Thursday, will be the Chiefs aga
dfosterf (27-Mar) : Luckily for all concerned, I don't post them. I did one, but that was like 25 mocks ago
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : NFL 2024 gonna start Sept 5th isn't it???
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Ugh... kids these days!
dfosterf (27-Mar) : I'm gonna go do some more mock draft hell instead 🤪
Zero2Cool (27-Mar) : Did we do one of those prediction threads yet for 2024 season?
dfosterf (27-Mar) : In my city, they are playing the nimby game, in order to keep some railroad tracks vs. 2 professional sports teams and a concert venue.
dfosterf (27-Mar) : And/Or a city council, of which I haven't seen a good one in a very long time
dfosterf (27-Mar) : That sounds like a Mayor, not a city.
buckeyepackfan (26-Mar) : Packers halt scheduled 80mil upgrade of stadium until lease agreement talks are restarted
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : City of Green Bay puts Packers' Lambeau Field lease talks on hold
buckeyepackfan (26-Mar) : Packers 1 of 3 teams to vote no on new kickoff rule.
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Packers sign another Kicker
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Lengthy explanation at PFF if you click the link
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Kickoff rules officially changed.ngthy explan
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : lol
Cheesey (26-Mar) : 2009? No thanks! One open heart surgery is enough!
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Good for you!
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Yes. That's the one.
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Is that "Lady Dugan" per chance?
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Crystal?
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Please refresh my memory
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Alan posts. Crystal back in my life. It's 2009 all over again! Lol
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : BAH GAWD! THAT'S CHEESEYS MUSIC!
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Gutekunst said early stages of Jordan Love contract being discussed.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Shouldn't be penalized cuz official screwed up
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Yeah, challenge until you are incorrect twice.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : Fining them is the goal, per the people who made the rule anyway.
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Still waiting on the kickoff rule changes. Did hear yesterday that the touchback proposal will now be the 30 yard line, not the 35
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Probably speed of game issues with your proposal
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Hopefully the refs don't get in the habit of throwing flags on this
beast (25-Mar) : I think when it comes to Challenges should get two strikes, so unlimited challenges as long as they keep winning them, but 2 wrong then done
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Still subject to the fines etc
dfosterf (25-Mar) : Yes, I should have been more specific. Also, they are now saying it would be a 15 yard penalty. That makes more sense .
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2023 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM
Falcons
Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM
SAINTS
Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM
LIONS
Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM
Raiders
Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM
RAMS
Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM
CHARGERS
Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM
CHIEFS
Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM
Giants
Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM
BUCCANEERS
Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM
Panthers
Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM
Cowboys
Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM
49ers
Recent Topics
6h / Around The NFL / beast

11h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

28-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

28-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

27-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

27-Mar / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

27-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

26-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

25-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

25-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

24-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

24-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2024 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.