uffda udfa
8 years ago
This is a neat little look at the AFC Superbowl participants since 2002. Do you notice any trends? 😁

AFC Super Bowl Quarterbacks since 2002
Tom Brady (6) (Patriots) – ’02, ’04, ’05, ’08, ’12, ‘15
Peyton Manning (4) (Colts (2), Broncos (2)) – ’07, ’10, ’14, ‘16
Ben Roethlisberger (3) (Steelers) – ’06, ’09, ‘11
Rich Gannon (1) (Raiders) – ‘03
Joe Flacco (1) (Ravens) – ‘13

---So...13 out of the last 15 SB representatives in the AFC were QB'd by 3 future Hall of Famers.

Since 2002 our organization has been to the SB...ONCE... 1 out of 15 vs. 13 out of 15...with two HOF QB's playing for it. If you can't see that we don't have the TEAM around the QB we need you're not looking at all.

Are you really a fan of the "stability" that brings us these continual unsatisfactory results? There is better and that AFC is proof. We have the QB to win multiple rings but we won't because we don't have a good enough management in place to maximize that window of great fortune.

Sadly, we're going to be in the Gannon and Flacco company with our HOF QB. Inexcusable.
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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


nerdmann
8 years ago

This is a neat little look at the AFC Superbowl participants since 2002. Do you notice any trends? 😁

AFC Super Bowl Quarterbacks since 2002
Tom Brady (6) (Patriots) – ’02, ’04, ’05, ’08, ’12, ‘15
Peyton Manning (4) (Colts (2), Broncos (2)) – ’07, ’10, ’14, ‘16
Ben Roethlisberger (3) (Steelers) – ’06, ’09, ‘11
Rich Gannon (1) (Raiders) – ‘03
Joe Flacco (1) (Ravens) – ‘13

---So...13 out of the last 15 SB representatives in the AFC were QB'd by 3 future Hall of Famers.

Since 2002 our organization has been to the SB...ONCE... 1 out of 15 vs. 13 out of 15...with two HOF QB's playing for it. If you can't see that we don't have the TEAM around the QB we need you're not looking at all.

Are you really a fan of the "stability" that brings us these continual unsatisfactory results? There is better and that AFC is proof. We have the QB to win multiple rings but we won't because we don't have a good enough management in place to maximize that window of great fortune.

Sadly, we're going to be in the Gannon and Flacco company with our HOF QB. Inexcusable.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



If you're going to repeat yourself ad infinitum, I'll repeat what I've said: It's MIke's fear-based playcalling that has cost us the season the past two years, not a lack of players.

Could Ted have gotten us a passcatching TE? Maybe. A backup LT? Maybe. (Then again we already had Tretter.) But that's not what cost us in the playoffs.

In fact, that game in Phoenix VALIDATES Ted, if anything. How many teams would have even had a chance with their #5 and #6 WRs?
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Porforis
8 years ago
I never understood why people are so eager to point the finger at a specific person or problem to explain a complex situation. Why can't we all just agree that playcalling, injuries, underperformance by Rodgers and others all were major contributors to our struggles this season?
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
All you are showing is that the AFC isn't balanced like the NFC.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
nerdmann
8 years ago

I never understood why people are so eager to point the finger at a specific person or problem to explain a complex situation. Why can't we all just agree that playcalling, injuries, underperformance by Rodgers and others all were major contributors to our struggles this season?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



We're trying to figure out what needs to get fixed.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DakotaT
8 years ago

I never understood why people are so eager to point the finger at a specific person or problem to explain a complex situation. Why can't we all just agree that playcalling, injuries, underperformance by Rodgers and others all were major contributors to our struggles this season?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Because the problem remains the same year in and year out but the coach and GM remain constant. The problem is that the GM goes into each and every year with holes in the roster hoping that his All Pro quarterback covers these glaring weaknesses. 2015 we went into the season weak at TE, ILB, and OL depth and youth at CB. What will 2016 bring to us? You don't need to just use the draft, free agency and trades are an option as well. Thompson is running out of time with Rodgers, and I'm sure Rodgers is getting a little peeved having to play against stacked teams all the time with inferior talent on his team.

Is it realistic to believe the GBP are going to have a 3rd All Pro quarterback fall into their lap so we waste another couple decades not winning super bowls?
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Porforis
8 years ago

Because the problem remains the same year in and year out but the coach and GM remain constant. The problem is that the GM goes into each and every year with holes in the roster hoping that his All Pro quarterback covers these glaring weaknesses. 2015 we went into the season weak at TE, ILB, and OL depth and youth at CB. What will 2016 bring to us? You don't need to just use the draft, free agency and trades are an option as well. Thompson is running out of time with Rodgers, and I'm sure Rodgers is getting a little peeved having to play against stacked teams all the time with inferior talent on his team.

Is it realistic to believe the GBP are going to have a 3rd All Pro quarterback fall into their lap so we waste another couple decades not winning super bowls?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I never said nor implied that McCarthy and Thompson were not a part, or a large part of the team's struggles. My point is, it's simple-minded to lay all the blame on one or two factors, and imply that we'd be able to waltz into a super bowl victory because we have Aaron Rodgers.

Injuries have been a big issue on and off for this team for years. This year in particular, if Thompson would have brought in a top-5 WR there are zero guarantees he would play up to his contract, make a huge difference for the team (with Rodgers being erratic), and/or not get injured himself.

I'm not saying that he wouldn't or that we wouldn't have been playing yesterday if we had brought in some top-end talent. I'm just saying that implying that we'd be in a dramatically better position to win a SB if we brought in one or two additional people is about as useful as saying "We would have won that game if we wouldn't have had x or y bad calls go against us!". None of us have a crystal ball - past performance is not indicative of future performance, and you can't just swap out a player on a team and assume nothing else around him is going to change versus the player you swapped out. This isn't madden, where performance is all just based on numerical variables. You can't just assume that if you replaced Thompson and/or McCarthy with the best that this league has to offer that the Packers would be in a notably better position to win, considering their various unrelated issues over the years..

Some problems remain constant (Thompson being too conservative with free agency, McCarthy playing scared), some don't.

Rodgers had a really bad year this year. He's been great in years past. Rodgers' lost time via broken collarbone and his hamstring issues made a big difference to the Packers.

Special teams, prior to last year were borderline embarrassing (including our super bowl season). Crosby had that year where he was struggling mightily.

Our defensive play has varied dramatically in the last six years. Our super bowl year, we gave up madden-level yards but those issues were masked by a ton of takeaways. This year (end-of-game collapse notwithstanding) our defense played much better fundamental football and were excellent in the red zone. We did not do a good job at generating takeaways, I recall 3 easy drops in our playoff loss, a couple of which would have been huge for the packers and very well may have cost them the game.

Injuries have been a huge problem pretty much every year but two years ago.
uffda udfa
8 years ago

if Thompson would have brought in a top-5 WR there are zero guarantees he would play up to his contract, make a huge difference for the team (with Rodgers being erratic), and/or not get injured himself.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



There never is... I can guarantee you that he didn't go for it to find out...never does. This is the type of thing that is used to invalidate the mindset of going for it. I can't state it enough until it's really understood. The issue with this franchise is and has been and will continue to be...MINDSET. It is wrong. It isn't wired to win SB's. It is wired to play it safe and ride the QB in the hopes the chance he gives us pays off because it did that one time. This org continually fails to do what it could do to put a better team around the HOF QB. We've been hamstrung by a brutal defense for years. Some are now just tickled and think we had the D to win it this season. It was ranked 15th for crying out loud but to some it had arrived because their expectations have been so low due to the constant failure. That's a microcosm of how fans view this org and their SB aspirations. We're always so quick to praise stuff in this org and way too slow to look objectively with the issues that prevent us from winning.

The quoted statement above drives me crazy. It's defeatist and used to invalidate going for it because it may not have worked...yeah, but it might have just as easily, too but that's not considered all to fit the mindset and agenda of our org shooting low...like always. So many are now conditioned to think low just like the org. Man, don't do it. Expect more. This window with 12 has someone with two hands on top of the pane exerting pressure. Soon, it'll be slammed shut and you'll be angry we did next to nothing with two straight HOF QB's. Now, is the time for the fans of this org, the board, etc. to get rowdy and stop making excuses of injuries and that yeah things could've been done but they might not have worked. That's just ridiculous. Mindset...Mindset...Mindset. What you allow will continue.
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Barfarn
8 years ago
The blanket generalization of "HOF QB" is being applied inappropriately.

When were we Happy? A: Playoffs 2010; all Reg. seasons 2011-2015 except in 2013 last games 8 through 15 and 2nd half of 2015.

When were we sad? A: Playoffs 2011-2015 and Reg. season 2013 games 8 through 15 and 2nd half of 2015.

You'll see when Aaron Rodgers was playing at an MVP level when we were happy and he was either not playing or playing poorly when we were sad.

When did Aaron Rodgers ever have a good or HOF game and we lost, that is, that the rest of the team let him down? Maybe 2009 v cards? Though he had a few gaffs in that game to contribute to the loss.

The idea that a good team does not surround Aaron Rodgers is absurd. But we wont win a SB, while Aaron Rodgers makes 22M per, unless Aaron Rodgers plays to a HOF level in the playoffs.
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Because the problem remains the same year in and year out but the coach and GM remain constant. The problem is that the GM goes into each and every year with holes in the roster hoping that his All Pro quarterback covers these glaring weaknesses. 2015 we went into the season weak at TE, ILB, and OL depth and youth at CB. What will 2016 bring to us? You don't need to just use the draft, free agency and trades are an option as well. Thompson is running out of time with Rodgers, and I'm sure Rodgers is getting a little peeved having to play against stacked teams all the time with inferior talent on his team.

Is it realistic to believe the GBP are going to have a 3rd All Pro quarterback fall into their lap so we waste another couple decades not winning super bowls?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I am one of the first people to call for Ted to be more active in FA, and to get on Mike for some of his coaching decisions. But I am realistic enough to know that I don't have the first clue to what moves they did or did not look at and what players they had a chance of landing and didn't.

I wanted them to keep James Jones in 2014 and think that stood a chance of being enough to get them to SB49, but we will never know. I was somewhat vocal about thinking the move for Vernon Davis would have been a low risk move that showed they were trying, but as it turns out SF wasn't going to move him within the conference.

I am hoping they make a couple moves this offseason seeing how many key players will be FA after this next season. But there is a difference between wanting the team to do more and jumping the shark like some of the posters are doing about it lately. (Not meaning you).
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