uffda udfa
8 years ago

WOW, now football pedigree makes the GM?

Elway lost Elvis Dumervill because he didnt know how a fax machine worked! That may have been the dumbest thing that any GM has ever done.

And I remember Bart Starr's years as GM [and coach]; ya cant get any better pedigree than that.

Its the same ole' new flavor of the month stuff. Every year a team wins the SB. Then they are declared a better organization than GB. At least when this was said about Seattle; they had a very strong team. Denver is the weakest SB winner since those goofy Giants teams and would have been 1 and done if Rothlesberger or Dalton were healthy.

Manning winning SB just before retiring seems more like a WWF script than a football reality. I'm just sayin'.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



No, Bart Favre Aaron (Barfarn)... that is absolutely NOT what I've been saying at all. I've been talking about mindset because that can't be refuted. It is literally amazing to see the amount of excuses and doubletalk that goes on here in defense of the way we do things around here. MINDSET. Elway has a different one. He was a winner... a 1st overall...he knows how much a player like him matters to winning. You win with difference makers like him. We have that guy in 12 but we don't have the management to put a sufficient enough team around to bring the Lombardi home, again. The mindset isn't that way for TT. WE ALL KNOW his mindset is conservative and not going all out. The exact mindset that drives fans crazy when we see Mike McCarthy use it in his coaching. What irony to champion what Ted Thompson does by being so conservative and then rip Mike McCarthy for being that way. I rip both... I want to see two passionate souls sold out for championships running this show. That is what Denver has in Elway and what we do not in TT. Attack the ancillary issues if you must because I know you can't argue against the main point of mindset. That's a checkmate.



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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."


nerdmann
8 years ago

The Denver Broncos won Super Bowl 50 yesterday with a completely different philosophy than the Green Bay Packers in how the team was put together and what the defensive side of the ball looked like. The Packers are well known for Ted Thompson's draft and develop philosophy and have enjoyed sustained years of success through

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Elway also lost Dumerville on a really F'd up mistake.

I think as long as you can hit maybe like 75% of the time on your big free agent signings, you can be successful at it. It's just that Ted is risk averse. He traded up for Clay, and has made moves like that in the past, but he's not big on doing that.

I will also note that, according to the article, Elway KNEW HE HAD A SHORT WINDOW with Peyton. Meanwhile, Ted has had a decade with the guy he drafted and developed.

HOnestly, I'd compare Belichek to Ted. They get lower tier FAs and make them work in their system. They also cheat, which is different (presumably) than what we do.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
DoddPower
8 years ago

No, Bart Favre Aaron (Barfarn)... that is absolutely NOT what I've been saying at all. I've been talking about mindset because that can't be refuted. It is literally amazing to see the amount of excuses and doubletalk that goes on here in defense of the way we do things around here. MINDSET. Elway has a different one. He was a winner... a 1st overall...he knows how much a player like him matters to winning. You win with difference makers like him. We have that guy in 12 but we don't have the management to put a sufficient enough team around to bring the Lombardi home, again. The mindset isn't that way for TT. WE ALL KNOW his mindset is conservative and not going all out. The exact mindset that drives fans crazy when we see Mike McCarthy use it in his coaching. What irony to champion what Ted Thompson does by being so conservative and then rip Mike McCarthy for being that way. I rip both... I want to see two passionate souls sold out for championships running this show. That is what Denver has in Elway and what we do not in TT. Attack the ancillary issues if you must because I know you can't argue against the main point of mindset. That's a checkmate.


Originally Posted by: uffda udfa 



I actually generally agree with UFFDA here, although not how he actually communicates the issue. What John Elway did in Denver is impressive. Sure, it could have easily backfired, but the reality is that it didn't. He was aggressive in addressing weaknesses in his team and it worked. More often than not, it doesn't work out, but it did in this case.

Although to be fair, the Bronco's defense (which is what won this Super Bowl and most of the other games, make no mistake) would not be nearly as good without the number two overall draft pick in Von Miller. He is one of those rare talents that no team is going to get drafting in the late 20s year after year. The Bronco's are a great example of how one elite player can change the entire dynamic of a football team. But give Elway credit for building the supporting cast around Von Miller. But ultimately, the Bronco's wouldn't be Super Bowl champions with Von, imo. Incredibly difficult to obtain game-changing players like that.

Ted Thompson and John Elway absolutely have different mindsets, but neither is necessarily right or wrong. It's just a difference in philosophy. Although Elway was dealing with a skeleton for a QB. Rodgers should still have several years left, but his window is starting to close, as well. So Thompson needs to become more aggressive to get another ring while it's still a realistic possibility. Youth is no longer on Aaron Rodgers' side.
DoddPower
8 years ago

I will also note that, according to the article, Elway KNEW HE HAD A SHORT WINDOW with Peyton. Meanwhile, Ted has had a decade with the guy he drafted and developed.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



This is a critical difference when evaluating the two general managers. Elway's hand was forced with Peyton. Not so much with Aaron Rodgers, although that time is rapidly approaching.

Porforis
8 years ago
*Anti-christ
nerdmann
8 years ago

This is a critical difference when evaluating the two general managers. Elway's hand was forced with Peyton. Not so much with Aaron Rodgers, although that time is rapidly approaching.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



That's true but you know what?

Ted was in the same position with Bert Favor, and did he sign Randy Moss? Marshawn Lynch? HELL NO. He knew Bert had a closing window and still, DID NOT PANIC.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

That's true but you know what?

Ted was in the same position with Bert Favor, and did he sign Randy Moss? Marshawn Lynch? HELL NO. He knew Bert had a closing window and still, DID NOT PANIC.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



They attempted on both.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Porforis
8 years ago

They attempted on both.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Some would use the logic that because they were not successful, they didn't really try.
nerdmann
8 years ago

Some would use the logic that because they were not successful, they didn't really try.

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



Point being, Ted did what he always does.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
uffda udfa
8 years ago

Point being, Ted did what he always does.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Yup...I guess the other 20-30 teams who made a phone call also gave it the old college try and should be commended. Thank God we didn't get Randy Moss...nah, that would've been so unhelpful to us winning a championship. So glad that we offered peanuts to get the most gifted WR in NFL history, yes, Nerd, even more than Jeff freaking Janis. 😁

We "tried" is not the same as trying hard enough or getting it done, but, again, the expectations of so many is set to NOTHING that the positive fan is left to things such as this. The objective sees that whatever was done was not enough and doing more would've been prudent. The positive won't go any further...he stops right there at...we tried...can't hold it against him for not getting it done because...he...TRIED.

This TRIED sounds eerily like CHANCE...all these phrases the not good enough use to justify not being good enough. Positive...meet...objective.

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Zero2Cool (13-Mar) : lol Brian wanting Ted's guys gone. Umm, they were also Brian's guys ... kids these days.
Martha Careful (13-Mar) : Key point made by Nonstopdrivel . Loyalty does not trump winning
Mucky Tundra (13-Mar) : You realize Gute was a regional scout for over a decade and was director of college scouting for GB before he was GM?
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Mucky Tundra (13-Mar) : *scouting process
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Mucky Tundra (13-Mar) : Uncle Buck, most guys from the 2017 roster are no longer here because their play declined due to age or were going to cost too much to keep
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buckeyepackfan (12-Mar) : Check an article posted by Martha, in the Jones thread. That's where I got the quote.
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