DakotaT
7 years ago
I'm always amused by the comments of fans who think changing the game for safety is a bad thing. "It's going to become flag football"! OK guys, now stick in a video of all the former players who are completely fucked up physically and/or mentally, and if you can walk away from that with the same convictions, you might just be a sociopath.

The players make this game what it is. Their safety should be the first concern of the owners. Their health care needs for the rest of their lives, should be second. Unfortunately this is America, land of un-regulated capitalism, and the only thing these owners care about, are profits. Who are the assholes in this situation?
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OlHoss1884
7 years ago
Actually the league is said to have discussed removing the kickoff all together, except it would also eliminate the surprise onside kick, and they had no way to resolve that.

I understand what you were saying, but I disagree that the safety stuff is a sham for the very reason you pointed out...lawsuits. That still doesn't establish that these changes are "ruining the game".

True there have been some rules changes that had to be changed (wtf was that tuck rule there for?) but you implied that they need to stop making changes at all, and it is clear some thing still need to be tweaked, they just don't want to make huge changes at once.
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nerdmann
7 years ago

I'm always amused by the comments of fans who think changing the game for safety is a bad thing. "It's going to become flag football"! OK guys, now stick in a video of all the former players who are completely fucked up physically and/or mentally, and if you can walk away from that with the same convictions, you might just be a sociopath.

The players make this game what it is. Their safety should be the first concern of the owners. Their health care needs for the rest of their lives, should be second. Unfortunately this is America, land of un-regulated capitalism, and the only thing these owners care about, are profits. Who are the assholes in this situation?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



These guys know the risks when they go out there. Just like boxers and MMA dudes.

My dad was a garbage man for 20 years. That took a toll on him too, and he wasn't even making 5 stacks/year.
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7 years ago

Actually the league is said to have discussed removing the kickoff all together, except it would also eliminate the surprise onside kick, and they had no way to resolve that.

I understand what you were saying, but I disagree that the safety stuff is a sham for the very reason you pointed out...lawsuits. That still doesn't establish that these changes are "ruining the game".

True there have been some rules changes that had to be changed (wtf was that tuck rule there for?) but you implied that they need to stop making changes at all, and it is clear some thing still need to be tweaked, they just don't want to make huge changes at once.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 



no I didn't. That's your assumption.
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Cheesey
7 years ago
When a rule is changed for obvious safety issues, I don't have a problem with it.
If you watched games in the 1960's like I did, you would see things that would make you cringe.
Clothes lines, clubbing guys in the head and so on. Guys got messed up bad. Making the rules that stopped those kinds of actions were appropriate.
But today it seems like they are looking to change things constantly.
But as was stated by Nerdmann, players know the risks and make a choice to play.
No one forces them. And with the medical knowledge available today, they are much more aware of the possible injuries they might have.
No one is forcing them to play the game.
At some point it has to be THEIR responsibility if they choose to take a job with such possible injury.
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OlHoss1884
7 years ago

All the silly little rule changes just ruin the game. Can we go 1 year without making some kind of change to the rules?

Originally Posted by: wpr 



The answer is no, unless you think the rules do not need to be changed
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

Just how exactly are what rules changes ruining the game? From its inception, football has endured a lot of rules changes designed to improve safety. (e.g. the forward pass in 1906) Some rules changes are for clarity.

You make an unsupported assertion (ruining the game) followed by a question which assumes that the rules are perfect as is and don't need to be changed.

Originally Posted by: OlHoss1884 



When athletes are getting paid less than 7 figures, rather than climbing, that is when we can start having an intelligent discussion about the rules ruining the game. As long as we keep watching, keep paying and all that ... obviously the game is not being ruined. However, our perception of the game might be pissed on, but that's something I've noticed no one gives two shits about the second the pigskin gets crushed off the tee opening weekend.

We care about the rules March through August and other than that, no one gives a rats ass.
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sschind
7 years ago

When athletes are getting paid less than 7 figures, rather than climbing, that is when we can start having an intelligent discussion about the rules ruining the game. As long as we keep watching, keep paying and all that ... obviously the game is not being ruined. However, our perception of the game might be pissed on, but that's something I've noticed no one gives two shits about the second the pigskin gets crushed off the tee opening weekend.

We care about the rules March through August and other than that, no one gives a rats ass.

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Until one of the new ones is called against our team that is. Then we go ballistic as well.
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