nerdmann
7 years ago

f you're going to take a guy who's a great rusher, you're going to try to keep him rushing all the time," Capers said. "But all of a sudden everybody designs all the protections for that guy. When he's dropping out of there and somebody else is coming, that creates some problems."

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In other words, Dom HATES guys who fit his system.
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DakotaT
7 years ago

In other words, Dom HATES guys who fit his system.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



The whole front seven is hybrid players. Why even call it a 4-3 or 3-4?
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Smokey
7 years ago
If the Packer front 7 (defense) are a hybrid collection, then it may be just as confusing for opposing offences. It may offer up the answer this team has been needing.

This could be the next best thing sense sliced bread !

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7 years ago

If the Packer front 7 (defense) are a hybrid collection, then it may be just as confusing for opposing offences. It may offer up the answer this team has been needing.

This could be the next best thing sense sliced bread !

[cheers] [cheers] [cheers]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 




Unless they guys on the DL are too small (Weight &/or strength) to move the OLmen and the LBers are too slow to get to the point of attack (Either tackling the RB or pressuring the QB.).

Tweeners or hybrid players are not always desirable. I don't care how big or small a player is. The defense still needs to plug the holes and push the pocket along with actually making the plays.
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beast
7 years ago

In other words, Dom HATES guys who fit his system.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



That's COMPLETELY WRONG ... hybrids are Dom's system...

The whole front seven is hybrid players. Why even call it a 4-3 or 3-4?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



That's a GREAT POINT! ...one of my biggest problems with the NFL is the oversimplification of the game, most specially the positions and defensive labels. Such as a 4-3 DE and 3-4 DE are extremely different as well as a 4-3 OLB and a 3-4 OLB... but the NFL uses simply labels to make it simpler for those fans that don't get as much into it. When they should be using terms such are interior DL, edge rushers, and LB to show that their is a HUGE difference...

As Chip Kelly correctly said (and I hate admitting Chip Kelly said anything correct), the 4-3 and 3-4 labels have become completely pointless at the NFL level, because as teams pass the ball a LOT LOT more, the traditional conservative 3-4 defense is basically completely gone... all NFL 3-4 defenses are now aggressive hybrid 3-4 defenses. And there are teams (such as the Broncos and Seahawks) who are using hybrid 4-3 defenses (which have a lot in common with the aggressive hybrid 3-4 defenses).

I have no idea if he'll break out.... but I said pretty early on that they could of looked at Mike Neal at 3-4 OLB... and as soon as they did move him... I said they moved the wrong guy as Datone looked so much more athletic than Neal and to my surprise Datone looked SOOOOO much more natural running around upright than Perry. (Perry looked great attacking, but reading/reacting or coverage... Datone looks so much better). So I'm excited with hope that Datone could potentially be Peppers, long term replacement.
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nerdmann
7 years ago

That's COMPLETELY WRONG ... hybrids are Dom's system...



That's a GREAT POINT! ...one of my biggest problems with the NFL is the oversimplification of the game, most specially the positions and defensive labels. Such as a 4-3 DE and 3-4 DE are extremely different as well as a 4-3 OLB and a 3-4 OLB... but the NFL uses simply labels to make it simpler for those fans that don't get as much into it. When they should be using terms such are interior DL, edge rushers, and LB to show that their is a HUGE difference...

As Chip Kelly correctly said (and I hate admitting Chip Kelly said anything correct), the 4-3 and 3-4 labels have become completely pointless at the NFL level, because as teams pass the ball a LOT LOT more, the traditional conservative 3-4 defense is basically completely gone... all NFL 3-4 defenses are now aggressive hybrid 3-4 defenses. And there are teams (such as the Broncos and Seahawks) who are using hybrid 4-3 defenses (which have a lot in common with the aggressive hybrid 3-4 defenses).

I have no idea if he'll break out.... but I said pretty early on that they could of looked at Mike Neal at 3-4 OLB... and as soon as they did move him... I said they moved the wrong guy as Datone looked so much more athletic than Neal and to my surprise Datone looked SOOOOO much more natural running around upright than Perry. (Perry looked great attacking, but reading/reacting or coverage... Datone looks so much better). So I'm excited with hope that Datone could potentially be Peppers, long term replacement.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Datone in COVERAGE!?

That sounds too good to be true.
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beast
7 years ago

Datone in COVERAGE!?

That sounds too good to be true.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Just to be clear, me saying "Datone looks so much better" than Perry in coverage... had a lot more to do with Perry looking awkward, confused, and/or out of place in coverage than Datone looking great in coverage. So I am NOT saying Datone is great in coverage... but that in comparison, he looked to be much more comfortable and natural to the idea than Perry.

Datone looked extremely raw in coverage, like he hasn't been doing it long or hasn't trained doing it long (which is probably the case as he's been a DT)... but he seemed mentally comfortable with the idea... as well as looking and moving at the same time. As well as Datone seems athletic enough to stay with the big guys (TEs/big RBs)... he might not be able to mirror or match them in coverage, but when he makes a mistake he's athletic enough to stay in the area with them. But I think Datone has the potential to become as good as Peppers in coverage (well maybe without the super long reach for batted down passes aspect)... not saying Datone will be that level this season, but just he has that potential to grow into that.

I think Perry problem was mental (though he's getting better at it). But in coverage, he felt unsure or out of place and his mind would panic when things didn't go right, leading to loss of reaction time... and when he dropped back into zone watching the QB, he's feet would slow.
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DoddPower
7 years ago

Just to be clear, me saying "Datone looks so much better" than Perry in coverage... had a lot more to do with Perry looking awkward, confused, and/or out of place in coverage than Datone looking great in coverage. So I am NOT saying Datone is great in coverage... but that in comparison, he looked to be much more comfortable and natural to the idea than Perry.

Datone looked extremely raw in coverage, like he hasn't been doing it long or hasn't trained doing it long (which is probably the case as he's been a DT)... but he seemed mentally comfortable with the idea... as well as looking and moving at the same time. As well as Datone seems athletic enough to stay with the big guys (TEs/big RBs)... he might not be able to mirror or match them in coverage, but when he makes a mistake he's athletic enough to stay in the area with them. But I think Datone has the potential to become as good as Peppers in coverage (well maybe without the super long reach for batted down passes aspect)... not saying Datone will be that level this season, but just he has that potential to grow into that.

I think Perry problem was mental (though he's getting better at it). But in coverage, he felt unsure or out of place and his mind would panic when things didn't go right, leading to loss of reaction time... and when he dropped back into zone watching the QB, he's feet would slow.

Originally Posted by: beast 



I've always been amazed at how slow Perry looks despite his impressive 40 time. The guy has insane measurables, but they don't all translate to the field as much as I hoped. He has to be the strongest linebacker on the team though, and I still think he is a good young player. Perhaps part of the reason he always seems slowish is because he is perpetually injured.
DarkaneRules
7 years ago
Injuries have definitely been the main issue. We've all seen glimpses of what he can be when he's at his best.
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