PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
We saw late in the Packer game. Jaguars commit a penalty on 4th and 4, 10 yards replay at 4th and 14. On the play Packers get called for defensive hold for 5 yards, rather than being 1st and 10, it should have been 4th and 9.

No play should be an automatic first down if the penalty doesn't take them past the yard to gain line.
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago
Being an automatic first down is supposed to deter players from committing those infractions. You eliminate that, and often times the 5 yards is worth it. It has to be balanced.
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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
That is the normal justification for a spot foul for PI, But that also shouldn't be automatic unless it goes past the line to gain.

The same thing can be said about offensive penalties, Hold rather than let the QB get killed, the penalty is worth the yards. The deterrent should be the penalty itself. Another example wooudl be an offensive PI to break up an interception.

It doesn't balance, it like so much in the game favors the offense.
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Porforis
7 years ago

We saw late in the Packer game. Jaguars commit a penalty on 4th and 4, 10 yards replay at 4th and 14. On the play Packers get called for defensive hold for 5 yards, rather than being 1st and 10, it should have been 4th and 9.

No play should be an automatic first down if the penalty doesn't take them past the yard to gain line.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



On 4th and 14, why wouldn't you hold if you got even the slightest idea that you might be beat? Hell, you could do it two downs in a row and still be in a decent defensive position. The idea behind penalties is to penalize and through the penalization, discourage illegal moves. Maybe make it 10 yards but no automatic first?
Zero2Cool
7 years ago

That is the normal justification for a spot foul for PI, But that also shouldn't be automatic unless it goes past the line to gain.

The same thing can be said about offensive penalties, Hold rather than let the QB get killed, the penalty is worth the yards. The deterrent should be the penalty itself. Another example wooudl be an offensive PI to break up an interception.

It doesn't balance, it like so much in the game favors the offense.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 


One way I view this ...

If you rob a bank and the punishment is 3 days in jail, you're going to rob that bank because three nights of room service is worth the 10k you just pocketed (tax free).


I won't tell my girls what the consequence will be to breaking a rule. They will weigh the consequence with the action and if the action is worth the consequence, they'll roll with it. When they don't know the consequence, they don't know and the unknown is a bit scarier than the known at times.
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TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago
I absolutely hate the automatic first rule. Especially if the infraction occurs well before the actual first down line.

The Denver/Carolina game had a 4th and 21 negated by a cheap hand to the face call where the offensive player also had his hands up. It allowed Carolina to get into field position for a winning FG. When they missed I thought the football Gods corrected the wrong. Just like what happened yesterday when we eventually stuffed them on 4th and 1.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

On 4th and 14, why wouldn't you hold if you got even the slightest idea that you might be beat? Hell, you could do it two downs in a row and still be in a decent defensive position. The idea behind penalties is to penalize and through the penalization, discourage illegal moves. Maybe make it 10 yards but no automatic first?

Originally Posted by: Porforis 



I'd be fine with 10 yards and have it been 4th and 4. Heck it could be 4th and 27, and get a 20 yard spot PI and make it 4th and 7. The only exception I can understand would be in the endzone. The best option for the defense would be 5yards and giving up a first, The worst option on offense is 10 yards and replay the down. That definitely is not balanced punishment.
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Nonstopdrivel
7 years ago
On a related note, I also hate offsetting penalties. I cannot think of a single reason why a 10-yard penalty and a 15-yard penalty should offset. The net result should be a 5-yard penalty against whichever team committed the 15-yard infraction.

An even more egregious quirk in the rules is that multiple penalties cannot be assessed against a team on the same play. I have literally seen a team have two 15-yard penalties offset by a single 10-yard penalty. That makes no sense at all.
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