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7 years ago

Cheap or illegal or not Clay is a damn hypocrite for complaining about it

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



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TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago

So, I say it was both illegal and a cheap shot [because an illegal hit was made on a defenseless player], plus stupid.

If football is to survive past 2040 or so, this type of hitting must stop. Each player needs to police his own behavior and deliver hits only in necessary measure and NEVER to injure another.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



I would sort of agree with this if Clay was nowhere near the play. The fact is the rule you are proposing leaves Barbre in a no win situation. He either illegally blocks or he allows Clay to make the tackle. Did he need to hit him so hard, probably not. However, he probably wanted to make sure he took Clay out of the play so you hit him as hard as you can.

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7 years ago
Florio weighs in on the play.
 



Packers linebacker Clay Matthews has a problem with the hit that Eagles offensive lineman Allen Barbre applied to Matthews on Monday night. The NFL doesn’t.

The league regards the block as legal, per a source with knowledge of the situation. Although a blocker moving toward his own goal line can’t hit a defender in the head or neck area or apply the crown of his helmet to the defender in any area of his body, the shoulder hit from Barbe to the shoulder/upper chest of Matthews was perfectly legal.



Barbe’s hit nevertheless seemed appropriate and proper under circumstances where Matthews, who was chasing quarterback Carson Wentz, perhaps should have had his head on a proverbial swivel.



“When you play hard, you have no regrets,” Matthews said at the time. “And that’s kind of how I play, whether it’s a facemask or a low hit on a quarterback. I don’t think anybody intentionally, especially myself, goes out there and tries to inflict illegal hits. Or pain. Or whatever you like to call it. It’s just a byproduct of playing hard, I believe.”

Barbe would likely say the same thing. Especially since his hit on Matthews definitely was legal — and by all appearances was clean.


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Barfarn
7 years ago

I would sort of agree with this if Clay was nowhere near the play. The fact is the rule you are proposing leaves Barbre in a no win situation. He either illegally blocks or he allows Clay to make the tackle. Did he need to hit him so hard, probably not. However, he probably wanted to make sure he took Clay out of the play so you hit him as hard as you can.

Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



I believe sschind is saying Babre did what he had to do to make the block and that is the way I saw it during the game on replay and I didn't think about it again until this post. If true, then sschind is necessarily correct in what he is saying.

When I re-looked at the play, I saw the play more like you, that he [probably] used more force than necessary. Now if he did; then it is [probably] a penalty.

If I was Babre's coach I wouldn't have said anything in the film room to dampen the celebratory cheers and high 5s for the hit; but in the quiet of the afternoon I'd remind him that this is not how one executes a seal block. If you look a the play in slowemo, Babre did launch [more of a lunge] and had Clay turned his back a bit the flag would have come out. Plus, you want control of the player on a seal block, not make it an all or nothing collision. By controlling CM3 you make certain he's not in on the play and you're in better position to come off the block and slow down other pursuit.

Given their relative speed, perhaps Babre felt he could not seal him off and he felt the lunge was his only recourse; if so, then the hit couldn't have be any less violent and sschind is again necessarily correct.
Zero2Cool
7 years ago

When I re-looked at the play, I saw the play more like you, that he [probably] used more force than necessary.Now if he did; then it is [probably] a penalty.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 



You never played football. You don't go half ass. You go all out, every play. You don't go 'oh its the heat of the moment but I only need to give him a gentle fairy touch' ... fuck that, you level that fucker and play until the whistle blows! Man up or get your pussy hairs trimmed!

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7 years ago

You never played football. You don't go half ass. You go all out, every play. You don't go 'oh its the heat of the moment but I only need to give him a gentle fairy touch' ... fuck that, you level that fucker and play until the whistle blows! Man up or get your pussy hairs trimmed!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



You're mistaken dude. You are confusing the game of football for what NFL Inc is marketing these days.

Real football died 10 years ago. Weren't you at the funeral?
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Cheesey
7 years ago
Legal? Yes. Unnecessary? Yes.
He didn't HAVE to hit him that hard, but that's football. Matthews should have been more alert, so that's on him.
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sschind
7 years ago

Legal? Yes. Unnecessary? Yes.
He didn't HAVE to hit him that hard, but that's football. Matthews should have been more alert, so that's on him.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



The games are full of plays where they don't have to hit them so hard. Its not something I want the refs to have to determine. How many times do we see a player untouched and on the ground where a simple touch of the hand would be enough to end the play and the defender dives on them. Not leading with a helmet nothing illegal but way harder than is necessary. There is never a penalty called for hitting harder than they need to.

The way I saw it Barbre saw an opportunity to put a good legal lick on an opponent and he took it. It's bad enough that defenders have to worry about if the hit is too high or too low or if their helmet is lowered now we want then to worry if the hit is going to be too hard. Not me. Mind you the high and low hits I get, going for the head or knees is not right, same as lowering the helmet, injuries are just to likely in those cases.

Quite frankly I think Barbre could have just pretty much stood still, kind of like taking a charge in a basketball game and he could have probably prevented Clay from making the play. In that respect, from a purely technical aspect I guess you could say the amount of force he used was unnecessary, but I don't think it was unnecessary in the same vein as an unnecessary roughness penalty. Just like not simply tapping a player down, he didn't have to hit him that hard but he could and there is nothing wrong with it so he did. Someone mentioned what if Clay's back had been turned, well, then it would have been a block in the back but it wasn't so its irrelevant. I just don't want another level of subjectivity added to the officials duties by having to determine whether the hit or the block was actually harder than was needed to get the job done.
steveishere
7 years ago
Yeah I don't think "legally blocked too hard" is a rule we should be wanting enforced. What happens if someone throttles down so they don't block too hard and the other guys sees it and runs his ass over? Add another penalty "Didn't let a guy who went for a softer block get the block" 15 yards.
nerdmann
7 years ago
Clay needs to shut his pie hole and get back on the juice. It's not Barbre's fault Clay isn't as good as he used to be.
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