nerdmann
7 years ago

Since winning the Super Bowl in 2010, the Packers have used 5 picks in the 1st round and 3 picks in 2nd round on defense.

2016 1 27 NT Kenny Clark
2015 1 30 DB Damarious Randall
2015 2 62 DB Quinten Rollins
2014 1 21 DB Ha`Sean Clinton-Dix
2013 1 26 DE Datone Jones
2012 1 28 DE Nick Perry
2012 2 51 DT Jerel Worthy
2012 2 62 DB Casey Hayward



I think you gotta hit on at least 1/3 (actually that's a Ron Wolf quote) of your draft picks. Personally, I feel in round one and two you gotta be batting more like .500 at least. Of the 8 picks, I see only two or three studs and by studs I mean solid starters who can contribute.

Kenny Clark - came on strong at the end of the season.
Randall - I think he's a bust
Rollins - probably going to be the better of the two in that draft
Clinton-Dix - as good as he is, he's equally shitty at tackling
Jones - did well at LB or whatever position they called it
Perry - monster ... when healthy ... rarely healthy
Worthy - is this guy in the NFL?
Hayward - 2015 draft plus injuries and Ladarius Gunter made him expendable


I know very little about college players coming into the draft so I'm not saying I knew we should taken someone else. I'm not that moron, but here's something that'll piss ya off. Maybe.

Landon Collins was taken 3 spots after D. Randall in 2015
Tyler Lockett was taken 7 spots after Q. Rollins in 2015
DeAndre Hopkins was taken right after Datone Jones in 2013
Travis Frederick was taken 5 spots after Datone Jones in 2013

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Let's see another post on the toll injuries have taken on these players.

Ted has to draft two Nick Collinses for every one that he gets to keep. For every Eddie Lacey, there's a Johnathan Franklin. For every Jared Cook, a Jermichael Finley.

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PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

To me I see alot of solid players that were drafted
T Buck had a long career and actually was pretty solid once he moved on
Teague and Simmons were solid players on our defense for a good time
Taylor was a very solid lineman for us
Newman was a very good CB for us until he got greedy
Verba and Sharper ended up with great careers
Franks was solid but did drop alot of passes
And Clifton to me was a stud that gave his live to the Packers and deserves Love.

So I would suggest Wolf did a Belichick type drafting.

Be nice to get something like that again and don't forget he also traded for a certain HOF QB and landed a HOF defensive player.

Originally Posted by: dhazer 



Are we looking at how he drafted for other teams or the Packers?

I think if we apply the same grading curve to both of their picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds, they are pretty close in results.

If I recall we do have a potential HOF QB now, Hard for any team to match the acquisition of Reggie but getting Woodson turned out pretty well also.

The secondary this year was hurt by having the start 4th and 5th CB for much of the season. If we go back to 2010 and say we play 1/2 the season without Woodson, Tramon and Shields I highly doubt we win the SB.


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millertime
7 years ago

2016 1 27 NT Kenny Clark => Too soon to grade.
2015 1 30 DB Damarious Randall => BUST
2015 2 62 DB Quinten Rollins => BUST
2014 1 21 DB Ha`Sean Clinton-Dix => Difficult to judge can be great or bust depending on what he does next season.
2013 1 26 DE Datone Jones => Not a 1st rounder, maybe a 2nd or 3rd.
2012 1 28 DE Nick Perry => Ok, but injuries have been a problem.
2012 2 51 DT Jerel Worthy => BUST
2012 2 62 DB Casey Hayward => Ok


Originally Posted by: luigis 



It is too early to say Randall and Rollins are busts. Remember Davante Adams? The concerning thing about Randall is it looks like he doesn't play with much heart, which unlike technique or injury, cannot usually be corrected...
TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago

It is too early to say Randall and Rollins are busts. Remember Davante Adams? The concerning thing about Randall is it looks like he doesn't play with much heart, which unlike technique or injury, cannot usually be corrected...

Originally Posted by: millertime 


I've notice what looks like a lack of heart in a lot of guys on Defense. It really hurt losing Woody and his leadership with the DBs. We need a vocal guy in the back who leads by example. I just don't see it.

nerdmann
7 years ago

It is too early to say Randall and Rollins are busts. Remember Davante Adams? The concerning thing about Randall is it looks like he doesn't play with much heart, which unlike technique or injury, cannot usually be corrected...

Originally Posted by: millertime 



Dude had a bad shoulder. That is, imo why he was not big on tackling this year.
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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

Dude had a bad shoulder. That is, imo why he was not big on tackling this year.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



What about our Pro Bowl Safety Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix? Why isn't he tackling? Why is shoulder bump loving everyone? He's a damn Safety! He's supposed be HITTING people and TACKLING people. Not this shoulder pad love.
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luigis
7 years ago
You really have to watch Randall against Atlanta to write "BUST" in his card.

It's really unbelievable, he starts the play at about 2 miles from his WR, if the WR moves he stays put, covering no one. If the WR runs a route he carefully approaches but never within 5 yards of the receiver. He can't tackle and he avoids contact at all costs.



Luis
steveishere
7 years ago
The only really concerning thing to me about Randall is he doesn't really anticipate routes well and before he was injured (last year) he had the athleticism to make up for it and this year he couldn't keep up. You can't really blame him for giving a cushion that's Capers defense and all the DBs were doing that especially in the ATL game.

What bugs me is a lot of the time all of the DBs are looking around standing up trying to figure out what to do just moments before the snap. We see what happens to rookies when they come into their 2nd or 3rd year after they stopped thinking about what to do and can "play fast" I wan't to see our DBs in a scheme where they aren't spending the entire time pre snap trying to figure out what they are supposed to do then when the ball is snapped they are all on a different page from eachother. That stuff shouldn't be happening often after the first few weeks let alone week 19 or 20
steveishere
7 years ago
Another thing to note when evaluating Randall is the guy is for sure a fantastic athlete. Perceptions can be different from person to person but the guy I saw out there this year was a crap athlete. How much of that change is a matter of confidence or injury I don't know but I need to see him healthy before I make a judgment of his future.
Porforis
7 years ago

What about our Pro Bowl Safety Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix? Why isn't he tackling? Why is shoulder bump loving everyone? He's a damn Safety! He's supposed be HITTING people and TACKLING people. Not this shoulder pad love.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Maybe he's got money problems and is terrified of getting fines?
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