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PackFanWithTwins  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, April 11, 2017 10:49:20 AM(UTC)
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PFWT , an above average Secondary that can cover Receivers gives DE's / OL's / LB's more time to attack QB's . GB and it's future HOF QB can't afford to wait on training players that we hope will reach the potential they were expected to achieve . Any chain is only as strong as it's weakest link , the DB's are currently GB's weak links .






Cheers!


Take the best 3 CB in the league today, put them on a team that can't get after the QB and they will get torched.

Even a 1st round CB isn't going to make this defense better this year. For that to happen, the two high draft picks we have at the position NOW need to step backup, and we need to develop a pass rush along with them. A player with similar impact that Raji had as a rookie on the line rushing next to Daniels will pay bigger dividends than another DB trying to run with WR for 7 seconds.

Smokey  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:16:20 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Take the best 3 CB in the league today, put them on a team that can't get after the QB and they will get torched.

Even a 1st round CB isn't going to make this defense better this year. For that to happen, the two high draft picks we have at the position NOW need to step backup, and we need to develop a pass rush along with them. A player with similar impact that Raji had as a rookie on the line rushing next to Daniels will pay bigger dividends than another DB trying to run with WR for 7 seconds.



In this forum your allowed to be as wrong as you can be. When you are right , then I'll be happy to agree with you. I do agree that GB needs an effective pass rush, CB's that can cover is not a luxury , but a necessity in today's NFL. Mobile QBs, Effective OLs, Slippery Fast WRs, clearly show the critical need for CBs that can cover.

DEs /LBs / OL that can't pressure a QB after even 4 seconds need to go set on the bench. GB has plug/play monsters to rush QBs with. It takes skill to defend NFL WRs .








Cheers!
Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:26:11 AM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Take the best 3 CB in the league today, put them on a team that can't get after the QB and they will get torched.

Even a 1st round CB isn't going to make this defense better this year. For that to happen, the two high draft picks we have at the position NOW need to step backup, and we need to develop a pass rush along with them. A player with similar impact that Raji had as a rookie on the line rushing next to Daniels will pay bigger dividends than another DB trying to run with WR for 7 seconds.


Absolutely. An effective front seven is going to make an average secondary look better much more so than the other way around. Get the QB rattled because once rattled, they throw it off target. But, if you give any QB time to throw it to whomever they want when they want, you will get picked a part. A bad front seven is going to make a Nick Foles look like Joe freaking Montana! lol
PackFanWithTwins  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:04:30 PM(UTC)
Back on topic, the biggest bust in Packer draft history, was not drafting ME.

The value of a dependable short yardage punter can't be overlooked.
Zero2Cool  
#25 Posted : Tuesday, April 11, 2017 1:16:11 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Back on topic, the biggest bust in Packer draft history, was not drafting ME.

The value of a dependable short yardage punter can't be overlooked.


I saw someone bring up Bellichick, I think we should talk about him instead. They should have drafted Bill Bellichick.
Smokey  
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:46:48 AM(UTC)
Apparently some believe that a draft failure not only applies to players that GB picked in past drafts, but also the failure to pick a player / players that went on to NFL success . Example: Barry Sanders .

Yes, lots of players get selected by other teams following GB's Draft Picks. Yes, hindsight is 20-20 and regrets are only natural. I personally wanted GB to pick Barnardrick McKinney , but he is now a starting LB in Houston.








Cheers!
Zero2Cool  
#27 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 5:19:23 AM(UTC)
Smokey said: Go to Quoted Post
Apparently some believe that a draft failure not only applies to players that GB picked in past drafts, but also the failure to pick a player / players that went on to NFL success . Example: Barry Sanders .

Yes, lots of players get selected by other teams following GB's Draft Picks. Yes, hindsight is 20-20 and regrets are only natural. I personally wanted GB to pick Barnardrick McKinney , but he is now a starting LB in Houston.


I believe it was the 2006 NFL Draft where the Packers traded their pick to the Patriots and they took WR Chad Jackson. ESPN wouldn't stop talking about how Chad Jackson is a stud this, stud that and I was like WTF you doing Packers!! And then they took this guy who ESPN said was somewhat undersized and slow named WR Greg Jennings. After a few games, I realized I was very foolish to let ESPN tug my emotions even in the slightest lol.

I suppose that doesn't apply to this topic because that was more my failure than the Packers, lol.

I think a big failure was sweaty tiny hand QB Brian Brohm in the 2nd round, same draft and round we landed Jordy Nelson.
sschind  
#28 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:35:48 PM(UTC)
Smokey said: Go to Quoted Post
Apparently some believe that a draft failure not only applies to players that GB picked in past drafts, but also the failure to pick a player / players that went on to NFL success . Example: Barry Sanders .

Yes, lots of players get selected by other teams following GB's Draft Picks. Yes, hindsight is 20-20 and regrets are only natural. I personally wanted GB to pick Barnardrick McKinney , but he is now a starting LB in Houston.

Cheers!


I believe you could break it up into separate categories if you really wanted to and they don't all have to mean the same thing. Please read my explanations before saying they are all the same thing.

Biggest Player Bust- Mandarich based on the hype. The one player who was supposed to be all that and more and tuned out to be none of it and even less.

Worst draft mistake. You might also call this the stupidest draft pick.- IMO Clark, he told them he wouldn't play for them and they took him anyway. Drafting Mandarich was only a mistake in hindsight as 9 out of 10 GMs probably would have drafted him. I can't really count not picking Sanders as a mistake as the player they took (Mandarich) was probably the player to take at the time.

Biggest draft failure- That may encompass all factors and the Mandarich over Sanders pick fits in here. It takes the biggest bust and the fact they missed out on a superstar puts them together into one big failed draft pick. Also the fact that they turned Clark into a 1st round pick a couple of years later mitigates that.

After re thinking my original statement in this thread I would have to say that drafting Mandarich instead of Sanders (or any number of stars that were picked after him) would be my biggest draft failure which was what the OP asked but as I said it take into consideration not ony the player chosen but those missed out on as well. I stand by Clark as the single biggest draft mistake. I know its semantics but I can see a difference. If you don't want to nitpick that's OK too.
Cheesey  
#29 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:42:01 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I saw someone bring up Bellichick, I think we should talk about him instead. They should have drafted Bill Bellichick.


No....how about Bill BelliCHIC-Filla!Flapper
Smokey  
#30 Posted : Thursday, April 13, 2017 4:01:35 PM(UTC)
sschind , IMO your post are as valuable as any other members post. I enjoy reading diverse opinions that don't always follow the politically correct line. What I don't care for are personal attacks on others that serve no good purpose , Of that I don't recall you being accused . Arguing a position or against anothers position is this forums mission .

So I salute you and your post sschind . ThumpUp







Cheers!
sschind  
#31 Posted : Friday, April 14, 2017 9:34:11 PM(UTC)
Smokey said: Go to Quoted Post
sschind , IMO your post are as valuable as any other members post. I enjoy reading diverse opinions that don't always follow the politically correct line. What I don't care for are personal attacks on others that serve no good purpose , Of that I don't recall you being accused . Arguing a position or against anothers position is this forums mission .

So I salute you and your post sschind . ThumpUp







Cheers!


Thanks Smokey. I know we don't all agree on everything all the time and i try not to get to personal in my attacks. There are plenty of time when I really want to rip into someone when they make what I feel is a ridiculous comment but after typing it an re-reading I usually try to come up with something better to say. I don't always succeed but If you would see some of my rough draft posts you would see the progress.

Two reasons for this. First and foremost there is no reason for it. It just portrays me in a bad light and how can I expect anyone to take me seriously if I am putting people down. Second, its the internet and it ain't going nowhere. What you post here could be here for ever for anyone to find. I know not many people know my real name but I generally use the same handle for most of my forums so if you see sschind on a beer label forum or a snake forum or an insect forum there is a good chance its me. (I do use a different name on the porn forums though Wink )

For the most part this is a pretty good forum. There are a few people who really get to me and I would like to blast them on occasion but I realize that their own posts usually are more telling about them than anything I could say so I let them shoot themselves in their own foot.

Case in point. When I said this in my original response I'm curious to know what you have to say on the matter or aren't you going to participate in your own discussion? I was afraid it may come off as me sounding like a jerk and I debated leaving it in or not. It really served no purpose and I wish I would have deleted it or at least left out the last part.

For some reason when I see someone going all type A on someone else I can't help but think of one of my favorite Bill Cosby jokes. I said to a guy, "Tell me, what is it about cocaine that makes it so wonderful," and he said, "Because it intensifies your personality." I said, "Yes, but what if you're an asshole?"

It also helps to realize that we are all Packer fans here and I tell myself that often. We don't always agree on the best way to run the team but in the end we all want whats best for the Packers since the powers that be won't listen to any of us who is to say who is right and who is wrong.

Cheers! back at ya and go Packers.

Unless your post was sarcasm then you should see what I really wrote
wpr  
#32 Posted : Saturday, April 15, 2017 7:16:26 AM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Smokey. I know we don't all agree on everything all the time and i try not to get to personal in my attacks. There are plenty of time when I really want to rip into someone when they make what I feel is a ridiculous comment but after typing it an re-reading I usually try to come up with something better to say. I don't always succeed but If you would see some of my rough draft posts you would see the progress.

Two reasons for this. First and foremost there is no reason for it. It just portrays me in a bad light and how can I expect anyone to take me seriously if I am putting people down. Second, its the internet and it ain't going nowhere. What you post here could be here for ever for anyone to find. I know not many people know my real name but I generally use the same handle for most of my forums so if you see sschind on a beer label forum or a snake forum or an insect forum there is a good chance its me. (I do use a different name on the porn forums though Wink )

For the most part this is a pretty good forum. There are a few people who really get to me and I would like to blast them on occasion but I realize that their own posts usually are more telling about them than anything I could say so I let them shoot themselves in their own foot.

Case in point. When I said this in my original response I'm curious to know what you have to say on the matter or aren't you going to participate in your own discussion? I was afraid it may come off as me sounding like a jerk and I debated leaving it in or not. It really served no purpose and I wish I would have deleted it or at least left out the last part.

For some reason when I see someone going all type A on someone else I can't help but think of one of my favorite Bill Cosby jokes. I said to a guy, "Tell me, what is it about cocaine that makes it so wonderful," and he said, "Because it intensifies your personality." I said, "Yes, but what if you're an asshole?"

It also helps to realize that we are all Packer fans here and I tell myself that often. We don't always agree on the best way to run the team but in the end we all want whats best for the Packers since the powers that be won't listen to any of us who is to say who is right and who is wrong.

Cheers! back at ya and go Packers.

Unless your post was sarcasm then you should see what I really wrote


ThumpUp
Well done young man. I try to follow in your footsteps. I can't always git er done but as you say it is a work in progress. It may not show up but I edit the heck out of my posts. Lately I have taken to commenting twice or sometimes 3 times then dropping it because you can't change someone's mind.
Zero2Cool  
#33 Posted : Saturday, April 15, 2017 3:37:06 PM(UTC)
Who is the Clark mentioned? I don't see a first name or last name and I don't remember a bust named Clark.

Actually, Bruce Clark? I figured I'd take a few seconds and do a internet search.

http://archive.jsonline....y-v99k9fc-204399381.html
RaiderPride  
#34 Posted : Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:28:26 PM(UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Woodfield

Randall was the worse ever Packer draft pick.

it is not even close
Smokey  
#35 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 2:21:21 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Who is the Clark mentioned? I don't see a first name or last name and I don't remember a bust named Clark.

Actually, Bruce Clark? I figured I'd take a few seconds and do a internet search.

http://archive.jsonline....y-v99k9fc-204399381.html


Thank you for finding and posting a great article . ThumpUp

It list GB's Top 10 Draft bust . In addition it has a short history of each player , fabulous stuff Zero .





Cheers!
User is suspended until 5/28/2018 11:54:40 AM(UTC) DakotaT  
#36 Posted : Monday, April 17, 2017 5:02:57 PM(UTC)
Trading up into the 3rd round to draft BJ Sanders - punter and then having to carry another punter on the roster sticks in my mind pretty well. Ahmad Carroll was a horrible pick, and DT named Donnell Washington. The Sherminator was a horrible GM from a draft standpoint but he did nail a couple good players in Nick Barnnett and Javon Walker.

But yeah, Mandarich and Bustin Harrell are probably the worst.
Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:54:43 AM(UTC)
Another great pick was Jamal Reynolds. I think that was Ron Wolf's final draft or maybe Mike Sherman's first, either way, wonderful Reynolds, love the ~18 games he gave us.
TheKanataThrilla  
#38 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:24:52 PM(UTC)
Mandarich got lots of press here in Canada because well he is Canadian. He was also pretty open with the media here about wanting to go somewhere South. He wanted LA. He did not want Green Bay as he thought himself a rock star.

It is a thing that the GM has to keep in the back of their minds. Will this player be absolutely miserable playing in GB or have stated they don't want to come. I know you may not care as much about later round players, but having players who don't want to be in GB ruining a first round pick (especially a low one in the Mandarich case) is a tough pill. Was the smarter decision to try and pick the guy who was happy to come to town?
sschind  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, April 18, 2017 11:10:29 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Who is the Clark mentioned? I don't see a first name or last name and I don't remember a bust named Clark.

Actually, Bruce Clark? I figured I'd take a few seconds and do a internet search.

http://archive.jsonline....y-v99k9fc-204399381.html



Interesting article. One thing that stood out to me was that #9 on the list, Randy Duncan, was drafted by Lombardi. I guess old Vince was part human after all.

Smokey  
#40 Posted : Monday, May 22, 2017 5:09:41 AM(UTC)
GB's greatest draft failures can also mean draft trades that did/did not take place. A trade that in the end cost the Packers or (in your opinion) a trade that could/should have taken place .

The 2017 draft trade is yet to play out it's full story yet, but history can now judge other cases fairly .
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