DakotaT
6 years ago

Uh, what?!? ... Sounds like you're suggesting Ted Thompson let Shields, Randall, Rollins and Dorleant get injured ... which doesn't make sense as it's the GM's job to let players, play in the games (which is where they were injured).

I wanted Hayward to be resigned (and understand reasons against it), but I believe almost all teams would struggle if they lost 4 of their top 5 CBs to injuries as no team (that I know of) has great CB in the 6th slot. It was more of an injury thing, than a GM thing.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Shields was already injured - several concussions prior to the season. And he was the #1. Letting House and Hayward out the door was his mistake. You draft and develop starters, you don't let 'em leave after their rookie contract. For all the praise the man gets, he should take some heat when he lets a prime position get weak, cause he's too cheap to pony up. The Packers embarrassing loss in Atlanta was all TT's fault, and idiot Packers fans want to blame injured players instead.
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isocleas2
6 years ago

Shields was already injured - several concussions prior to the season. And he was the #1. Letting House and Hayward out the door was his mistake. You draft and develop starters, you don't let 'em leave after their rookie contract. For all the praise the man gets, he should take some heat when he lets a prime position get weak, cause he's too cheap to pony up. The Packers embarrassing loss in Atlanta was all TT's fault, and idiot Packers fans want to blame injured players instead.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Shields certainly was a risk given his history, but you can't predict you'd lose him right away for the entire season. Its no coincidence that teams who are more injured usually have the worst records, there's a statistical correlation backed up by a pretty healthy sample size.

House was overpaid and it is now back in Greeen Bay being paid 1/3rd what he was making, i'm glad we signed him but lets not make his absence out to be more than what it was. Using some 20/20 hindsight letting Hayward walk was a mistake but then again for how little he signed for its not like the rest of the league thought much of him either. Everyone missed on that.

How many other Packers have T.T. let walk who've gone on to have long productive careers? His track record is solid enough that i'm willing to forgive Hayward being allowed to walk.
beast
6 years ago

and idiot Packers fans want to blame injured players instead.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 


So you're saying we either agree with you or we're idiots?
That's usually what people say when they have their head buried up their ass...

Just because you can't back up you bad argument doesn't mean you should act like a jerk about it.

Randall and Rollins should have both hit IR last season

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



If they did that, then 4 of the Packers top 5 CBs would of been on the IR. Either way, the same results (or maybe worse results with Randall not playing at all, Hawkins would of seen the field more... and while he has future potential, he wasn't ready as a rookie).

Teams are going to struggle if 4 of their top 5 CBs go to the IR... it's simply as that. There is no blame that needs to be pasted, because this is football, and in football injuries happen. You can plan for injuries to a certain degree, but not taking out 4 of your top 5 guys at a given position...
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DakotaT
6 years ago

So you're saying we either agree with you or we're idiots?
That's usually what people say when they have their head buried up their ass...

Just because you can't back up you bad argument doesn't mean you should act like a jerk about it.



Originally Posted by: beast 



Or maybe Packers fans can quit giving the management at 1265 Lombardi this tremendous pass for their incompetence with every season that ends in failure. It's been the TE, ILB, and now the CB positions for quite a few years. When do people correctly assign blame for said failures? Laying it all on the young, inexperienced and injured cornerbacks is pretty irresponsible. How about trying Ted Thompson for a change?
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Zero2Cool
6 years ago

So you're saying we either agree with you or we're idiots?
That's usually what people say when they have their head buried up their ass...

Just because you can't back up you bad argument doesn't mean you should act like a jerk about it.

Originally Posted by: beast 



This made my day.
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nerdmann
6 years ago

Shields was already injured - several concussions prior to the season. And he was the #1. Letting House and Hayward out the door was his mistake. You draft and develop starters, you don't let 'em leave after their rookie contract. For all the praise the man gets, he should take some heat when he lets a prime position get weak, cause he's too cheap to pony up. The Packers embarrassing loss in Atlanta was all TT's fault, and idiot Packers fans want to blame injured players instead.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



No way Hayward stays healthy in Green Bay.
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isocleas2
6 years ago

Or maybe Packers fans can quit giving the management at 1265 Lombardi this tremendous pass for their incompetence with every season that ends in failure. It's been the TE, ILB, and now the CB positions for quite a few years. When do people correctly assign blame for said failures? Laying it all on the young, inexperienced and injured cornerbacks is pretty irresponsible. How about trying Ted Thompson for a change?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



When you draft at the end of the round every year its hard to keep every position group stocked with top talent. The Packers have also lost some pro-bowl calibre players to career ending injuries that have been a tad unlucky and hard to forsee.

Teams who draft in much better position than the packers year in and year out still have less talent than we do, that says something.
DakotaT
6 years ago

When you draft at the end of the round every year its hard to keep every position group stocked with top talent. The Packers have also lost some pro-bowl calibre players to career ending injuries that have been a tad unlucky and hard to forsee.

Teams who draft in much better position than the packers year in and year out still have less talent than we do, that says something.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



True, but a competent GM wouldn't have stayed pat with what we've been fielding at ILB and TE for years, and it got exposed bigly by good teams. How long has it been since Bishop got hurt, Finley?
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beast
6 years ago

Or maybe Packers fans can quit giving the management at 1265 Lombardi this tremendous pass for their incompetence with every season that ends in failure. It's been the TE, ILB, and now the CB positions for quite a few years. When do people correctly assign blame for said failures? Laying it all on the young, inexperienced and injured cornerbacks is pretty irresponsible. How about trying Ted Thompson for a change?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I agree with you that certain people need to get more blame, including TT, Mike McCarthy and before the great run that ended the season even Rodgers... as their were games where the defense kept the team in games, and the offense couldn't score as Rodgers was said to be struggling.

But sadly that's life... people like someone, they get less blame than they should... hell look at the political field... if people like someone then they'll make BS excuses for anything and everything for years on end...

And I completely agree with you about the TE position, Ted Thompson should be completely blamed for failure to getting players that could be successful there. ILB, I somewhat agree, but I believe that what the team was looking for and what fans were looking for out of ILB were two different thing... with fans looking for star player, and the Packers looking for a jack of all trades. But one you missed is failure of DL and OLB other than Daniels and Matthews (still waiting to see if Perry can do it more than one year).

But drafting and GM is like batting, if you hit 0.300 on the major leagues, then you doing a darn good job, and while that's a 70% miss rate... it's still a darn good job. (PS I know very little about baseball, so I assume 0.300 is still good?... but some former GMs have said if you come out of the draft with two good starters (not great, but good) then it was a successful draft, and if you get three good starters then it was a great draft).

So I agree with you that Ted Thompson should get more blame, I have argued and fought with Zero about if Hayward should of been resigned (I've been a Hayward fan, and thought under $5.5 million he should of been resigned) but I'm pretty sure you're wrongly blaming last year CBs problems solely on Ted Thompson as 4 of the 5 top CBs got injured. You simply can't plain for that.

And I know you're wrong about claiming I'm laying blame on the young CBs, because I'm certainly not blaming them... they kept coming back and playing, even injured. They kinda sucked, but they were there giving it their all...

It's not their fault that they got injured, and it's not Ted Thompson fault either... it's good football... people get injured playing football.
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nerdmann
6 years ago

True, but a competent GM wouldn't have stayed pat with what we've been fielding at ILB and TE for years, and it got exposed bigly by good teams. How long has it been since Bishop got hurt, Finley?

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Neither Bishop nor Finley was a high draft pick. The problem is INJURIES, or lack of health, not drafting, imo.
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