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wpr  
#21 Posted : Monday, September 11, 2017 8:54:34 PM(UTC)
It’s a long post for me but instead of having 10 replies I will stick them all into one. That way Zero doesn’t have to pay the website host for extra posts.

packerfanoutwest said: Go to Quoted Post
Stop it with the wave when on offense and stop the go pack go chanting when on offense. I think the tickets need that printed on all tickets. "No Wave", or " Go Pack Go" when Packers are on offense

As a Gold Package season ticket holder I have seen the wave started (or attempted every game.) Looking around I get the feeling it is people at their first game. I recognize the fans who have started many waves over the years. There is a system to getting a successful wave going which I won’t go into at this time. The Newbies almost never do it the correct way and thus it takes a very long time to get it going the way they do it. Many times they begin with GB on offense. The fans are excited after a successful long play or during a dominate drive and they jump up and try to get it going. I never see the wave in the first half. I suspect the fans have a bit of a glow going and lack the best judgement skills. Thus a statement on the ticket will not work. On more than 10 occasions I have asked the people near me not to do the wave. They asked why. I explained and they said that makes sense. Almost always the wave dies out after 4 or 5 tries due to the knowledgeable fans refusing to participate.

beast said: Go to Quoted Post
Why?

Also if people are paying big bucks to go, then shouldn't they get to decide what they do and don't do?



I will be the first to say tickets are not cheap but the “Big Bucks” do not come from the fans. I can’t say how much of the 9 Billion dollars ticket sales are but I suspect it is less than 20% of the total revenue for NFL, Inc.

packerfanoutwest said: Go to Quoted Post
Why? Because that crap interferes with the offense calling plays. Reggie White was always pissed when fans did the wave when they were on offense. Take that wave crap to the parking lot.

It belongs in the game but at the appropriate time. Part of the problem with the wave is it may take time to get fully underway. It can start after a dominate defensive stance. The attempts carry on during the commercial break. (It sure beats watching the commercials they pawn off on the fans in the stands.) It may not fully develop until after the break and now the offense is on the field and people are watching the wave move around the stadium more than the action on the field. The good news is at full force, it only lasts 2 or 4 revolutions at most. About 2 plays.
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
If you pay for my ticket I'd listen to your rules. If I pay for my own ticket I listen to my own rules.

Most of Reggie White's career was before the NFL started allowing the QBs to wear headsets in their helmets.

With modern headset the wave shouldn't be effecting the offenses play calling that much, unless it's louder than any wave I've been around.

I remember people were complain that Lambeau doesn't have enough people making noise and even the Packers are encouraging people to make noise with their "Get Loud Lambeau" project. Does this mean it's working?

I would accept your Reggie argument except as was pointed out, Aaron does a lot of his play calling at the LOS. No one else has a microphone in his helmet and if they did, they cut the signal about the time they would need it.
The “Get Loud” is only flashed on the board when the team is on defense. Never ever on offense.
The noise from the fans is better after the new seats where put in and they have their “Wall of sound”. All in all I find the results mixed at best. For having 80,000 butts in the stands I don’t think GB can compete with domed stadiums of course. Nov and Dec games don’t work because of all the gloves people wear. In general I also think fans get a little pissed when GB doesn’t run up a big lead early and they continue to put the pressure on. There is as much complaining in the stands as we see on this board. That leads to less noise when GB is on defense. Naturally the defense has not been dominate very often in the last few years and that doesn’t help. The fans rise up and make the most noise (Besides GB TDs) when the defense makes 2 or 3 really strong plays. Also the opponent is backed up deep in the own half of the field. And when a solid stand by our defense can be the turning point in a game.
In short, if GB isn’t playing well the fans typically are not very active either.
AbbaGav said: Go to Quoted Post
How about a silent wave? Would be a cool sight: the crowd doing the wave, but the stadium quiet enough to hear Aaron's cadence in the top row.

I would love to see a silent wave. I can’t imagine it ever happening but that would be awesome.
+1.
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
If they can't get plays called, they need to take a pay cut or get a different job.

It’s not a matter of can they call plays or not. They can call plays in every domed stadium. It’s a matter how hard should our offense have to work to get the job done when they are in their own stadium? As I mentioned the wave distracts fans from watching the game. Why pay all of that money and then watch a bunch of people ½ a mile away stand up?
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Astounded at the response in thread. Anyone opposed to not making our offenses job harder is a fucking tool. It's common knowledge you are quiet so your offense can function and loud so the opponents offense can't. Idiots.

Common sense isn’t very common these days. All the more so when someone has had a few brews.
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
Can't believe how big pansies people are becoming. Players once played better when they were being cheered for. Now we get speakers in the helmet and they cry because of noise.

Put on the big boy pants, shut up and be glad people show up to cheer for you getting paid to play a game.


1 player has the speaker. He doesn’t have a mic to talk to other players. It doesn’t make them pansies. It is a simple request to the fans. “You love this team. You want us to score. Helps us by not hindering us.
And if you saw the Rodgers comments, they are glad fans cheer. There is a better time to do so that’s all.
Look if the team was lousy LA and no one cared, then do the wave all you want, any time you want. But if the players are telling you it makes it more difficult to call plays, why would you want to do that. You do realize that the WR is not standing next to Aaron don’t you? Under the best of conditions it is not easy to hear. Last I checked, helmets tend to block wound waves a little bit. Distance tends to diminish sound. Mouth pieces tend to muffle ones voice. Why add to it? For your own pleasure and satisfaction? I thought people actually paid money to see GB win games not to see how long they can keep a wave rolling.
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
Almost as asinine as trying to dictate to happy fans celebrating and having a good time to be get loud, then be quiet, then get loud, then be quiet...

They can't be Goldilocks out there... it's too loud, it's too quiet... and then bitch when it's not perfect... the team asked for louder crowds and they got'em!


Actually it can be done. Fans get pretty proud of themselves when they think they actually HELPED the team, the defense stop a drive. No one is asking the fans to sit on their hands when the offense is working. To hold their breath and not make a sound. But wave or no wave the roar of the crowd is unnecessary. Roar when Jordy hears Aaron’s audible and he takes the defender deep and scores the TD instead of running a 10 yard slant over the middle for 12 yards.



warhawk said: Go to Quoted Post
It's not a question of whether or not fans have the right to cheer when they want to but is it the right thing to do if it disrupts the communication between the players?
It seems like a simple answer to me.

As much up tempo and no-huddle that Arod likes to go with it would seem obvious that he would like to be able to be on the same page with the offense. This is in essence a factor in why there is a home field advantage is it not? Make it hard for the other guys...not ours. McCarthy talks often about road games at stadiums where the crowd is traditionally very loud and the communication challenges they have to work on to prepare for it. Expect in spades this week against Atlanta in that new stadium.
Maybe they need the practice? Yeah right.




This. Like it or not being a fan at the game involves some responsibility. Knowing when to be loud is one of them.
nyrpack  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:53:23 AM(UTC)
My answer to the actual post is



Stop all the whining about aikman and buck, stop thinking by signing a petition is going to stop them from broadcasting the packers, since they do the game of the week be happy the packers are involved in that game because it means the teams are good, fox is about national ratings and could care less about a particular fan base , I happen to like them a lot and think they are very fair !!
Cheesey  
#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:32:38 AM(UTC)
I like Buck and Aikman too. I don't see any real problem with them.
Maybe with Aikman, some Packer fans are still mad at how his team always seemed to knock us out of the playoffs. I was at the NFC title game in Dallas, and if anyone would have the right to "hate" Aikman, it would be ME!LOL
(But I don't.)Flapper
packerfanoutwest  
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:33:10 AM(UTC)
nyrpack said: Go to Quoted Post
My answer to the actual post is



Stop all the whining about aikman and buck, stop thinking by signing a petition is going to stop them from broadcasting the packers, since they do the game of the week be happy the packers are involved in that game because it means the teams are good, fox is about national ratings and could care less about a particular fan base , I happen to like them a lot and think they are very fair !!


Please stay on topic
Cheesey  
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:37:41 AM(UTC)
Uh-oh.....the "THREAD POLICE" are here!!!!Flapper
PackFanWithTwins  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:48:33 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
It’s not a matter of can they call plays or not. They can call plays in every domed stadium. It’s a matter how hard should our offense have to work to get the job done when they are in their own stadium? As I mentioned the wave distracts fans from watching the game. Why pay all of that money and then watch a bunch of people ½ a mile away stand up?


1 player has the speaker. He doesn’t have a mic to talk to other players. It doesn’t make them pansies. It is a simple request to the fans. “You love this team. You want us to score. Helps us by not hindering us.
And if you saw the Rodgers comments, they are glad fans cheer. There is a better time to do so that’s all.
Look if the team was lousy LA and no one cared, then do the wave all you want, any time you want. But if the players are telling you it makes it more difficult to call plays, why would you want to do that. You do realize that the WR is not standing next to Aaron don’t you? Under the best of conditions it is not easy to hear. Last I checked, helmets tend to block wound waves a little bit. Distance tends to diminish sound. Mouth pieces tend to muffle ones voice. Why add to it? For your own pleasure and satisfaction? I thought people actually paid money to see GB win games not to see how long they can keep a wave rolling.



How hard should they have to work? Really come on. As you say the can do it in every dome stadium so by now it should be second nature to them. At this point, the only benefit to the offense of it not being loud is he can possibly use the hard count better, but even that isn't for certain as he has had no problem using it in loud away games. We always hear about following their process and routines. Well if they have to do things differently for home and away games it isn't much of a routine.

And if they get distracted by the fans doing a wave, McCarthy better hire somebody to come and teach them how to concentrate on their jobs.
wpr  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:00:17 PM(UTC)
PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
How hard should they have to work? Really come on. As you say the can do it in every dome stadium so by now it should be second nature to them. At this point, the only benefit to the offense of it not being loud is he can possibly use the hard count better, but even that isn't for certain as he has had no problem using it in loud away games. We always hear about following their process and routines. Well if they have to do things differently for home and away games it isn't much of a routine.

And if they get distracted by the fans doing a wave, McCarthy better hire somebody to come and teach them how to concentrate on their jobs.


You know what? I don't know. I have never stood on the field with 70-80,000 fans screaming so I can't say for sure. I will say this- players from many if not most teams at some point in time have had their offense motion to the home crowd to quiet down. Defenses have motioned to the crowd to make more noise. Intuitively I assume it must have some kind of effect or why would so many players over so many years in so many locations do the exact same thing? The offense asks for quiet. The defense asks for noise. You tell me why it happens so often if it makes no impact whatsoever.

None of this conversation changes anything. Buy your ticket. Go to the game and do what you think is best. I only ask you to consider one thing- on your way home when you are stuck in traffic. Do you want the cars who are on the through street to let you out of the parking lot and merge into their lane or are you going to sit there waiting until they have all passed by? By law they don't have to let you in. They have the right of way. It just works better if everyone cooperates. Not only are there state rules of the road there are also common courtesy rules too. Life is a little smother when people are courteous. That's all I ask in the stadium. Do it or don't, it doesn't matter to me.
PackFanWithTwins  
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:58:14 PM(UTC)
If they want to motion for more noise or less noise during a game, fine, if the crowd responds great if not oh well, I don't want to hear, fans shouldn't be cheering here or there. Just be happy somebody is willing to pay to watch them play.

I've been to many sports at all levels and can't count the number of times teams are flat and not playing well when the fans are quiet, when the fans are loud and rowdy, teams are usually playing better. Be professionals and feed of the fans who come out to support you.
nyrpack  
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 13, 2017 5:39:38 PM(UTC)
packerfanoutwest said: Go to Quoted Post
Please stay on topic


I thought I was staying on topic, the actual start to the thread is


Some packer fans need to .....

So I answered it the way I feel , if you want to talk about the wave , then include that in your thread description !!
TheKanataThrilla  
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:20:30 PM(UTC)
I can tell you if I ever find my way to Lambeau it will be an event that will probably cost me a few thousand dollars with flights for myself and family, hotels and prime tickets. I know football protocol, but I can not guarantee that I am not just going to enjoy every second I am out there and "be quiet" when the O is on the field. It is not like they are purposely being overly loud. I would really question how much of a distraction this could be compared to a Seattle or KC game situation with a really loud crowd.
Zero2Cool  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 13, 2017 6:21:15 PM(UTC)
Speaking of fans and attendance. This is putrid!
DoddPower  
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 13, 2017 10:18:23 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of fans and attendance. This is putrid!


Right, lol. Let's complain about a wave! 1st world NFL fan problems.
gbguy20  
#33 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 7:46:56 AM(UTC)
Above pic is at halftime. Let's see same stadium 5 minutes into the 3rd when everyone is back. Also I hate everyone in this thread
Zero2Cool  
#34 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:12:10 AM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Above pic is at halftime. Let's see same stadium 5 minutes into the 3rd when everyone is back. Also I hate everyone in this thread


If you look around the massive interweb, you'll find "everyone" was not really back as you presume. Attendance is an issue that the 49ers publicly have addressed they are working on fixing.

Your hate for everyone is simply fake news.
DoddPower  
#35 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 10:41:05 AM(UTC)
It's well-known that Packers fans are spoiled brats, though.
Zero2Cool  
#36 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 11:23:00 AM(UTC)
DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
It's well-known that Packers fans are spoiled brats, though.


Yes we are and it's crazy that some try to deny it. Look, being a spoiled brat isn't a bad thing, shit, look around the NFL and I bet two dozen fanbases would have loved to be spoiled brats with the likes of Brett Favre OR Aaron Rodgers and we freaking had them both! ... BACK TO BACK.

We're spoiled, and it is okay. If you can't admit that, go to the Packers game and drowned in the wave!
wpr  
#37 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:22:22 PM(UTC)
Re the SF fans or the lack thereof:

Quote:


The scene unfolded Sunday as it has so many times before.

With minutes to go until kickoff, Levi's Stadium was a sea of empty red seats. Those seats were empty not just because the 49ers are coming off a dreadful 2016 season, but because the intrepid fans who did show up couldn't stand the blistering heat.

Since Levi's Stadium opened in 2014, fans have complained that its lack of shade makes it an unbearable experience. Because of the ever-present Santa Clara sunshine, fans have abandoned an entire side of the stadium, choosing to cluster in the shady walkways for relief.

"Our section was nearly filled at a time when the seats on the other side were nearly empty," Hartlaub said. "I ran into one person at the landing above our seats who was complaining about the heat on the other side, and gave him a bottle of water my son didn't drink."

For fans wondering why the 49ers constructed a red oven for a stadium, the decision dates back to before the stadium was approved. Before the Santa Clara site was signed off on, the 49ers planned to build their new home in San Francisco. As such, a design was created for the cool spot at Candlestick.

When the Santa Clara site was approved, the 49ers had to move fast to start on their new space. So they took their original design — severely lacking in shade — and took it to the South Bay. The heat problems were immediately apparent. In a preseason game in 2014, the fire department was stunned with an unusual number of emergency calls, mostly for heat-related issues.

"Many people just needed to get out of the sun," a Santa Clara fire chief told the Mercury News. "For many of them, there was a general feeling of weakness, and (they) just needed to rest and get some water."

So what's the solution? Many have begged the Niners to consider adding a sun-shade to Levi's, but unfortunately, that's probably not a realistic fix. The astronomical cost aside, it's not a simple solution, as the Chronicle's Ann Killion points out in her latest column.

"Levi's is an enormously tall building, in the flight path of Mineta San Jose International Airport. A canopy would add to the height," Killion writes.

"In addition, the team is in litigation with the city of Santa Clara, whose stadium authority owns the building and leases it to the 49ers. Launching and financing any capital improvements may be tricky in such a contentious atmosphere."


link
wpr  
#38 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 12:32:30 PM(UTC)
BTW 70178 Tix sold for Santa Clara Niners game. Seating is listed as 68,500. There wouldn't be 35,000 no shows no matter how bad the team.
gbguy20  
#39 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 5:07:33 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
If you look around the massive interweb, you'll find "everyone" was not really back as you presume. Attendance is an issue that the 49ers publicly have addressed they are working on fixing.

Your hate for everyone is simply fake news.


Just saying the picture doesn't show the true/whole story. Just a picture of when the stadium is at its emptiest. I could take a pic of lambeau at the 2nd half kickoff and show you 5000 empty seats. That doesn't make it an accurate representation of the true crowd that day.
Zero2Cool  
#40 Posted : Thursday, September 14, 2017 6:01:53 PM(UTC)
gbguy20 said: Go to Quoted Post
Just saying the picture doesn't show the true/whole story. Just a picture of when the stadium is at its emptiest. I could take a pic of lambeau at the 2nd half kickoff and show you 5000 empty seats. That doesn't make it an accurate representation of the true crowd that day.


That picture wasn't when it was at its emptiest. That'd be right now. :-)

I've been to Lambeau Field. It's never looked like that opening second half at any of the games I've seen. And the Packers haven't publicly said they have to fix the attendance issue.

The 49ers have an attendance issue. Stop trying to make this into something it's not. It work with me. I'm too stubborn and aware of the situation. But mostly too stubborn.
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