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wpr  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, December 5, 2017 5:32:27 PM(UTC)
MintBaconDrivel said: Go to Quoted Post


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Green Bay Packers ( 6 - 6 )
    Total Offense = 25th
    Passing Offense = 27th
    Rushing Offense = 16th

    Total Defense = 24th
    Passing Defense = 26th
    Rushing Defense = 14th

    Points For = 21.5 (20th)
    Points Against = 23.4 (17th)



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Cleveland Browns ( 0 - 12 )
    Total Offense = 24th
    Passing Offense = 23rd
    Rushing Offense = 19th

    Total Defense = 10th
    Passing Defense = 17th
    Rushing Defense = 6th

    Points For = 14.7 (32nd)
    Points Against = 25.7 (27th)


Hmmm. Members have been comparing GB to Cleveland for a few weeks. It sure looks like their stats are VERY comparable. The GB offense would be worse if we removed the games Aaron played in. The Cleveland defense appears to be stronger than the GB defense.

This is not going to be a "gimme" for GB. If Hundley has only 84 yards again it is going to be a long long long sad day.

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Zero2Cool  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:34:30 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Hmmm. Members have been comparing GB to Cleveland for a few weeks. It sure looks like their stats are VERY comparable. The GB offense would be worse if we removed the games Aaron played in. The Cleveland defense appears to be stronger than the GB defense.

This is not going to be a "gimme" for GB. If Hundley has only 84 yards again it is going to be a long long long sad day.


So the Browns aren't much worse than the Packers and the Packers have been picking towards the end of the rounds and Browns picking in in the top. Rock On
uffda udfa  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, December 5, 2017 7:50:00 PM(UTC)
The Browns have a Top 10 defense.

We have been pumping incredible resources into ours for years and it's 24th.

Browns should have a Top 10 D and do. So should we...and don't.

We pay a franchise QB...they don't. Biggest difference all the way around. Cleveland is better than us if you flip QBs.
DoddPower  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:17:28 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
The Browns have a Top 10 defense.

We have been pumping incredible resources into ours for years and it's 24th.

Browns should have a Top 10 D and do. So should we...and don't.

We pay a franchise QB...they don't. Biggest difference all the way around. Cleveland is better than us if you flip QBs.


I can't think of many teams that this wouldn't apply. Trading Aaron Rodgers for a lesser QB dramatically changes everything.
buckeyepackfan  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 12:39:01 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
The Browns have a Top 10 defense.

We have been pumping incredible resources into ours for years and it's 24th.

Browns should have a Top 10 D and do. So should we...and don't.

We pay a franchise QB...they don't. Biggest difference all the way around. Cleveland is better than us if you flip QBs.


There's not enough context in this statement to take it seriously.
Quit wasting our time with your no substance statements.

Let me give you this one.
EVERY PLAYER RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAST GUY ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD OF EVERY TEAM IS A,WORLD CLASS ATHLETE!
The difference in players are their football skills and coaching.
There is a very thin line between winning and losing, that is where "On Any Given Sunday" comes from.
Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy and his staff prepared him for The NFL, Aaron Rodgers has honed his skills to a level rarely seen the past 13 years.
This was all done within The Packer Organization.
Flipping qb's to try and prove a point is not reality.
Try dealing in reality.
Try again!
uffda udfa  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 3:20:12 AM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
There's not enough context in this statement to take it seriously.
Quit wasting our time with your no substance statements.

Let me give you this one.
EVERY PLAYER RIGHT DOWN TO THE LAST GUY ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD OF EVERY TEAM IS A,WORLD CLASS ATHLETE!
The difference in players are their football skills and coaching.
There is a very thin line between winning and losing, that is where "On Any Given Sunday" comes from.
Ted Thompson drafted Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy and his staff prepared him for The NFL, Aaron Rodgers has honed his skills to a level rarely seen the past 13 years.
This was all done within The Packer Organization.
Flipping qb's to try and prove a point is not reality.
Try dealing in reality.
Try again!


No substance or not interested in talking about it because there's no rebuttal for you? Who has the Top 10 Defense? Cleveland. Who has tried and tried and tried again dumping multiple 1st rounders and high picks to have a bottom 10 defense? Green Bay. Whose offense is awful without Aaron Rodgers? Green Bay's. You want context grade EVERY QB Mike McCarthy worked with in Green Bay. Don't cherry pick the GOAT who was to be a 1st overall and spin that success into organizational success or MMs. Always trying to obfuscate and circumvent context posting the most basest of the base and acting as if it's profound.

All NFL players are world class athletes? Ummm. No. Not even close. Don't deify these guys my goodness...that's the majority of the issue right there.

Thin line between being Cleveland or New England? If so, we'd be seeing them taking turns being great and terrible. There is excellence in coaching and incompetence. That line is not thin. There is a wide chasm in talent differential from Antonio Brown to Geronimo Allison. You're negating true talent and lumping everyone together and did same with coaching to fit one of the craziest responses I've ever received. Couldn't be more wrong on both counts.
buckeyepackfan  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 3:41:29 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
No substance or not interested in talking about it because there's no rebuttal for you? Who has the Top 10 Defense? Cleveland. Who has tried and tried and tried again dumping multiple 1st rounders and high picks to have a bottom 10 defense? Green Bay. Whose offense is awful without Aaron Rodgers? Green Bay's. You want context grade EVERY QB Mike McCarthy worked with in Green Bay. Don't cherry pick the GOAT who was to be a 1st overall and spin that success into organizational success or MMs. Always trying to obfuscate and circumvent context posting the most basest of the base and acting as if it's profound.

All NFL players are world class athletes? Ummm. No. Not even close. Don't deify these guys my goodness...that's the majority of the issue right there.

Thin line between being Cleveland or New England? If so, we'd be seeing them taking turns being great and terrible. There is excellence in coaching and incompetence. That line is not thin. There is a wide chasm in talent differential from Antonio Brown to Geronimo Allison. You're negating true talent and lumping everyone together and did same with coaching to fit one of the craziest responses I've ever received. Couldn't be more wrong on both counts.


And once again you ignore the fact that your whole post is based in absolute fantasy.
YOU CANNOT FLIP QB'S AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED.
REALITY DUDE
DEAL WITH REALITY!
I see once again you are trying to hi-jack a thread and make it all about you.
Give your Damn prediction and move on.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:10:06 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
The Browns have a Top 10 defense.

We have been pumping incredible resources into ours for years and it's 24th.

Browns should have a Top 10 D and do. So should we...and don't.

We pay a franchise QB...they don't. Biggest difference all the way around. Cleveland is better than us if you flip QBs.


You don't think picking at the top of every round helps? My goodness, you for realz??

Picking in top 5 or bottom 10 every season. There's a HUGE difference. HUGE!!! You heard me, HUGE!

But seriously, that's messed up to ignore. Cleveland should be better than the Packers if you flip QB's because they've been drafting towards the top of every round in every draft. That's not a stretch.
Zero2Cool  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:14:38 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
The Browns have a Top 10 defense.

We have been pumping incredible resources into ours for years and it's 24th.

Browns should have a Top 10 D and do. So should we...and don't.

We pay a franchise QB...they don't. Biggest difference all the way around. Cleveland is better than us if you flip QBs.


Browns are 27th in defense. Remember this, points are what wins and loses games, not yards. This is probably why some around here think you know nothing about football!! LOL Flapper Shrug Rock On
uffda udfa  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:26:08 AM(UTC)
Of course it makes a difference where you pick in each round. Cleveland should have better young talent and they do on both sides of the ball.

No one likes talking about our 24th ranked D. Why is it 24th, and terrible? Old question but goes unanswered every time.

I like the Browns new FO personnel. 2 picks in Top 8 next draft. Get rid of Hue and get a legit staff and they'll be very different.

Gordon and Coleman is an electric WR duo and both TEs are better than our best. Njoku and DeValve are good young players. Duke can ball and OL when intact is better than ours. Their D is better than ours. QB...that's it. Get QB and better staff and look out.
Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:31:49 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
No one likes talking about our 24th ranked D. Why is it 24th, and terrible? Old question but goes unanswered every time.


You don't see all the complaining about how crappy the defense is? You don't see all the comments on how we can't get off the field on third downs? I think you need to open your eyes instead of focusing on a few and judging the masses because nothing in this community is absolutely as you claim with your "no one".

Our defense is 42nd, not 24th. That's right, 10 teams not even in the NFL are better!!


Why is it terrible? As every one has stated before.
  • Poor draft picks
  • Over complicated scheme
  • Undeveloped talent
  • Not utilizing free agents to fill holes not filled via draft
  • middle of the field always seems to be open
  • Injuries


Those are the common explanations.
uffda udfa  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:49:09 AM(UTC)
Is it Ted... Just maybe? It never gets pinned on anyone. Who is responsible? Someone is.

Who has a job of acquiring talent? Ted Thompson. Is he good at it? When looking at D, it's a simple answer. No. He's brutal at it. Ted Thompson sucks and needs to retire yesterday. Dom is barely awake during games. He needs to go, too, but Mike McCarthy swears by him. If HC won't make a change, then HC needs to go but won't happen in this circular buddy club we have here. No accountability. It's been turning us into Cleveland slowly but surely year after year while 12 sends out false positives. Diagnose this org properly before it goes septic. It's slowly dying as currently constituted. You just know so many want 12 back to put an end to all this talk but his masking of it doesn't make it any less real or in need of prompt attention.
Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 6:53:50 AM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
Is it Ted... Just maybe? It never gets pinned on anyone. Who is responsible? Someone is.

Who has a job of acquiring talent? Ted Thompson. Is he good at it? When looking at D, it's a simple answer. No. He's brutal at it. Ted Thompson sucks and needs to retire yesterday. Dom is barely awake during games. He needs to go, too, but Mike McCarthy swears by him. If HC won't make a change, then HC needs to go but won't happen in this circular buddy club we have here. No accountability. It's been turning us into Cleveland slowly but surely year after year while 12 sends out false positives. Diagnose this org properly before it goes septic. It's slowly dying as currently constituted. You just know so many want 12 back to put an end to all this talk but his masking of it doesn't make it any less real or in need of prompt attention.


No one is responsible. This is a team game and the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be. I mean it, you will sleep so much better at night. The failure on defense is a collective effort from top to bottom to players.

Ted's fault is failing to be more aggressive in free agency, in my opinion. He's getting decent talent, but it's not being developed. And we try to find guys for our scheme, rather than landing a really good player and building around him.

Sorry, I know you want to 100% blame Ted Thompson because he kicked your kitten or something, but I'm not ignorant and you shouldn't' be either. You worked in media. You know there's a shit ton that goes into this and it's not some ONE that's at fault. But hey, you want to look for negative rather than hope for positive. That's your own deal, its just not me.
Porforis  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:25:15 AM(UTC)
The Browns have perpetually had trashy teams and even when they've had okay teams, they always always always always find a way to lose. As in every single game is a typical Packers playoff loss.

The Packers minus Rodgers are not the Browns. Give the Browns a little credit at just how spectacularly terrible and inept they are.
nerdmann  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 9:10:32 AM(UTC)
I would put it more like this:

BROWNS=PACKERS-RODGERS.

This is a much better team than their record. They've lost at least 5 very close games. I've said it before, this will be a tougher game than the last one. And the last one went to overtime.

Hopefully Brett will play better on the road, again.
uffda udfa  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:05:43 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
No one is responsible. This is a team game and the sooner you accept that, the better off you will be. I mean it, you will sleep so much better at night. The failure on defense is a collective effort from top to bottom to players.

Ted's fault is failing to be more aggressive in free agency, in my opinion. He's getting decent talent, but it's not being developed. And we try to find guys for our scheme, rather than landing a really good player and building around him.

Sorry, I know you want to 100% blame Ted Thompson because he kicked your kitten or something, but I'm not ignorant and you shouldn't' be either. You worked in media. You know there's a shit ton that goes into this and it's not some ONE that's at fault. But hey, you want to look for negative rather than hope for positive. That's your own deal, its just not me.


I just can't anymore. No one is responsible? No NFL team should ever fire a GM or HC or DC because "no one is responsible". ?????????????

The Giants should've stayed with Reese and McAdoo because no one was responsible for how bad they were. Mike Sherman should still be the coach and GM...he was never responsible for anything.

A session on the couch with a Dr. Phil type is needed on the subject of accountability and responsibility. This avoidance is scary and comes from some very strange place.

I'm going to re read the no one is responsible over and over hoping I missed something because I'm in shock you typed that.

You dropped the word "ignorant" on me while saying no one is responsible? I hope this is a gag post.

EDIT: Just reread the post several times. It's the end of me. This forum exists in fantasy land. I want to take part in a smart forum. Guys like Buck and nerd should remain here as they fit the program. Hoping everyone else looks for a place that doesn't operate like this one. I would be embarrassed to stay here with the kinds of things I've read here the last few days. I won't enable and play along. Sorry, for whatever angst I caused anyone. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Zero2Cool  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:11:26 PM(UTC)
uffda udfa said: Go to Quoted Post
I just can't anymore. No one is responsible? No NFL team should ever fire a GM or HC or DC because "no one is responsible". ?????????????

The Giants should've stayed with Reese and McAdoo because no one was responsible for how bad they were. Mike Sherman should still be the coach and GM...he was never responsible for anything.

A session on the couch with a Dr. Phil type is needed on the subject of accountability and responsibility. This avoidance is scary and comes from some very strange place.

I'm going to re read the no one is responsible over and over hoping I missed something because I'm in shock you typed that.

You dropped the word "ignorant" on me while saying no one is responsible? I hope this is a gag post.


You're the most obtuse person I have read. You stopped at four words and ranted without understanding any context that followed. Good job, do you feel better?
steveishere  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 3:01:58 PM(UTC)
I believe Ted could have done more over the years to bolster the team but he has his methods and stuck to it but overall I think we've had good talent on this team. Part of why I struggle giving Dom the benefit of the doubt is we have a lot of players have are having good seasons on defense individually but it's not really correlating to overall team success.

Players like Daniels, Clark, Martinez, Randall (post benching), and Burnett have been exceptional. Guys like Matthews, Perry, House, Ryan, Brooks and Lowery have been mostly good but not exceptional. Then Josh Jones, Hawkins, King, and Dial have been up and down hell even Fackrell has had a couple decent games. The only significant players who have been mostly bad all year are Haha and Rollins.

I'm also starting to get a little skeptical of how bad a DB is who struggles in our defense after what Hayward and Hyde are doing in other systems.
wpr  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 5:56:51 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
You don't see all the complaining about how crappy the defense is? You don't see all the comments on how we can't get off the field on third downs? I think you need to open your eyes instead of focusing on a few and judging the masses because nothing in this community is absolutely as you claim with your "no one".

Our defense is 42nd, not 24th. That's right, 10 teams not even in the NFL are better!!


Why is it terrible? As every one has stated before.
  • Poor draft picks
  • Over complicated scheme
  • Undeveloped talent
  • Not utilizing free agents to fill holes not filled via draft
  • middle of the field always seems to be open
  • Injuries


Those are the common explanations.


The never ending injuries plays as big of a factor as any 2 of the other problems. I suppose if they had potential All pros lined up 3 deep on the depth chart they could withstand 3 or 4 guys at the same position going down but who has that?
nerdmann  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, December 6, 2017 8:30:45 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
The never ending injuries plays as big of a factor as any 2 of the other problems. I suppose if they had potential All pros lined up 3 deep on the depth chart they could withstand 3 or 4 guys at the same position going down but who has that?


It's been a problem for a long time.
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