sschind
5 years ago

Where in any of my posts did I say “power of persuasion” or advertiser input wasn’t real? Again, you said things I never said. Is it possible Trump’s OPINION played into it? Sure, that’s possible. But the vote was unanimous! (Oh...except the 49er dude that abstained.....which is just an excuse to be able to say “I didn’t vote for it!”.....he didn’t vote against it, either)
And advertisers have a lot more influence. And if they had their say against the protest, THAT is what REALLY mattered to the NFL.
Again, to put ANY blame on Trump is a COP OUT. An excuse to make the NFL the “victim”.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Do you driver an automatic or a standard transmission. I'm just wondering how you switched gears so quickly on this.

First you said Trump he has NO power over them to change ANY of their rules. and He has NO power over what the NFL does. and finally Trump has NO power to force what he wants on the NFL. NO POWER. then you go on to say Is it possible Trump’s OPINION played into it? Sure, that’s possible. if his OPINION played into it that is influence and influence is power.

If 100 million people say they will no longer watch the NFL if they don't do this and the NFL does this in essence they made them change their rules.

You are right in that Trump can not actually change their rules and he can not make them change their rules but as President he certainly can influence their decision to change their rules. He can make life tough for the NFL and with the new gambling laws that may be set to take place I'm guessing the NFL does not want someone in charge of the government who has an axe to grind with them because they didn't side with him.
Zero2Cool
5 years ago
How do you know the numbers I went out of my way to share with everyone are "paid attendance" and not "asses in seat" attendance? Where are the numbers you found that discredit that?

I've read some say viewership and attendance is dropping in "mass quantities", yet, I can't get any numbers to support this. Why is that? I find the attendance of the NFL for a few seasons and someone spouts off against it, yet can't provide contrary numbers? I don't get it.

I am wanting to see the proof behind such statements, yet no one can step up?

What's that (paid attendance vs actual attendance) margin now compared to five years ago? Ten years ago? What's the margin with other leagues?

I've heard about fights in parking lots, in the stands, high concession costs, etc ... as to reasons why people don't wanna attend sporting events also coupled with High Definition and the economy contributing to people choosing to watch at home vs in the arena, stadium, etc.

How can someone say something so strongly without having anything to support it or validate it?

I don't much care about watching the games live anymore because I have NFL Game Pass. So if I miss it or something comes up, oh well, I can watch the game afterwards without all the commercials. I prefer that because I can watch it when I want, pause it when I want and don't feel a prisoner of the "LIVE" game. It also is only about 2 hours vs 3+ hours of my day being consumed.

I dunno people. I understand opinions are great and all that, but attendance is tallied. How is it you can speak so confidently, yet have no numbers to prove it?
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beast
5 years ago

It's not "twisting" the numbers. It's "massaging" them and who doesn't love a good massage? 🤤

Originally Posted by: wpr 


Depends on who's giving them, I'm not a huge fan of forcing people to touch me, even if that's what they get paid to do. Also what are the happy ending options 😂 (kidding)

Where in any of my posts did I say “power of persuasion” or advertiser input wasn’t real? Again, you said things I never said.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

What you said was "Trump has NO power"... which kinda gets implied as, "Trump has NO power"... And Power of persuasion and power to get on tv/advertiser are types of powers.

So does Trump have those powers or not? It seems like you're finally admitting that he does.

Is it possible Trump’s OPINION played into it? Sure, that’s possible.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Playing into a decision is power!

Do you driver an automatic or a standard transmission. I'm just wondering how you switched gears so quickly on this.

First you said Trump he has NO power over them to change ANY of their rules. and He has NO power over what the NFL does. and finally Trump has NO power to force what he wants on the NFL. NO POWER. then you go on to say Is it possible Trump’s OPINION played into it? Sure, that’s possible. if his OPINION played into it that is influence and influence is power.

Originally Posted by: sschind 


Exactly!



But the vote was unanimous! (Oh...except the 49er dude that abstained.....which is just an excuse to be able to say “I didn’t vote for it!”.....he didn’t vote against it, either)

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

WRONG! This is based off (NFL) lies! The NFL did NOT OFFICIAL vote! They used a raise your hand if you agree with this system method, which is why it was (bullshit) unanimous. Because either they counted you as a yes, or they refused to acknowledge you had a vote (claiming you abstained)

The NFL claimed that its owners unanimously voted to adopt a new anthem policy. And, as it turns out, the vote wasn’t unanimous. Also, there wasn’t a vote.

After ESPN’s Seth Wickersham reported that no actual vote was taken, the NFL admitted that, indeed, no formal vote was taken. NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy told ESPN that the league called for a show of hands to test support for the revised anthem policy.

“That was considered a vote,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said. He added that this unofficial process is “often used.”

profootballtalk  wrote:



So when ever the NFL has an unanimous vote, it might not be an official vote.
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Cheesey
5 years ago
You guys just proved me right!
The NFL got you to blame Trump instead of the NFL guys that actually control it.
So I guess it worked for them, the “poor victims” NFL owners.
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Nonstopdrivel
5 years ago

] The NFL did NOT OFFICIAL vote! They used a raise your hand if you agree with this system method, which is why it was (bullshit) unanimous.

Originally Posted by: beast 


To the contrary, under the rules of parliamentary procedure, as long as a quorum has been obtained, a vote by show of hands most definitely is an official vote, just as a voice vote or even a vote by acclamation are official votes. Now it's true that a vote by show of hands may not be regarded with the same gravity as a roll-call vote, which are relatively rare and only used for the most important decisions -- when someone decides that they want everyone's names to be publicly attached to their votes -- but it's just as official, and it's just as binding.

If whoever presided over the vote declared it unanimous, then I see no reason to doubt that it was anything but.
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5 years ago

To the contrary, under the rules of parliamentary procedure, as long as a quorum has been obtained, a vote by show of hands most definitely is an official vote, just as a voice vote or even a vote by acclamation are official votes. Now it's true that a vote by show of hands may not be regarded with the same gravity as a roll-call vote, which are relatively rare and only used for the most important decisions -- when someone decides that they want everyone's names to be publicly attached to their votes -- but it's just as official, and it's just as binding.

If whoever presided over the vote declared it unanimous, then I see no reason to doubt that it was anything but.

Originally Posted by: Nonstopdrivel 



Correct.
I am a member of the County board. The vast majority of our votes are vocal. (All in favor say "Aye". Those opposed, same sign.) Only when the minority vote has more than 3 or 4 votes do we take a roll call.

Kevin, if the teams only provide the total number of tickets sold an not the total number of butts in the seats how do you propose that I give you that total? Ease up a little. I am not criticizing your acumen. The number of tickets sold is roughly the same for the past 4 or 5 yrs.

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beast
5 years ago

You guys just proved me right!

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Wrong again! ... you stupidly claimed the most powerful man in the world, has no power. That's claim is still completely wrong and you can't see it... and hell, you even admitted he did have power, so you proved yourself wrong even. Thank you!

The NFL got you to blame Trump instead of the NFL guys that actually control it.
So I guess it worked for them, the “poor victims” NFL owners.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 


Now you're straight up lying, because you can't prove your flawed point.

I have not blamed anybody, because I don't care about the rule, so no reason to blame anybody.

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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

Kevin, if the teams only provide the total number of tickets sold an not the total number of butts in the seats how do you propose that I give you that total? Ease up a little. I am not criticizing your acumen. The number of tickets sold is roughly the same for the past 4 or 5 yrs.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



So, you're saying the teams don't provide the total number sold vs total who showed up, yet you are gonna say attendance is declining? You're willing to say attendance is decreasing, yet you aren't willing to find the turnstile numbers to support the statement when asked? Great discussion piece.


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Zero2Cool
5 years ago

Wrong again! ... you stupidly claimed the most powerful man in the world, has no power. That's claim is still completely wrong and you can't see it... and hell, you even admitted he did have power, so you proved yourself wrong even. Thank you!


Now you're straight up lying, because you can't prove your flawed point.

I have not blamed anybody, because I don't care about the rule, so no reason to blame anybody.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Let's climb down from the name calling mantle here please. That's as foul as telling someone to "ease up" when they're very much at ease and simply trying to learn something.


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Nonstopdrivel
5 years ago

Wrong again! ... you stupidly claimed the most powerful man in the world, has no power.

Originally Posted by: beast 


Call him out for imprecision in choice of language if you like, but I think it's clear that what Alan is trying to say is that the president lacks statutory authority to command changes to NFL policy, and that is undeniably correct. Sure, the president has a platform from which to mold public perception and opinion, but no one is forced to think how the president thinks or act on his suggestions.
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