Mark Murphy: Packers hope to extend Aaron Rodgers' contract "soon'· Page 2

isocleas2
Member

5 years ago

I'm probably wrong here but I see Nick Foles as a very good and on the verge of great QB. Eagles didn't just get by with him. They thrived with him. Carson Wentz is a big time player too. Eagles made some good decisions along the way through some years of struggle. Packers fans don't put up with any prolonged moments of struggle so they're less inclined to see that most of these rosters took several years of disappointment and higher draft picks to get there.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

Nerdman makes a compelling argument, I think that's why teams with rookie qbs can do well since the qb is on a cheap rookie deal they can invest more money everywhere else.

However I'm with Darkane on this one. Nick Foles was a great backup and average starter, but that team doesn't get the 1 seed without Wentz and his outstanding qb play.

It's still a qb driven league. Pay Rodgers now or we'll regret it later.

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

5 years ago

#12

That's just the thing.

There seems to be a new paradigm emerging. The previous paradigm was that of changing the rules to promote the offensive passing game, so the QBs came to the fore. Franchises centered their teams around the QB.

Now there appears to be a paradigm emerging where, the rules of offense have made it so easy that you don't NEED a HoF QB. You can get by with Case Keenum, Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles. Look what happened to the Legion of Boom when they had to pay Russell Wilson. The new question is, wouldn't it be better to keep all those dominant defensive players than it would be to pay that ONE guy?

Especially if the rules have changed so much that you don't need that ONE guy.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

Cousins just got 84 mil guaranteed for 3 years.
Keenum 26 mil for 2 years and isn't considered the future.

Nick Foles could get 23 mil this year if Wentz goes down or isn't ready to play.

Drew Breese just signed a 2 year 50mil deal.

Teams are not looking to "just get by".

They are locking up "Their guy(s)" because:

You either have your franchise qb, or you're looking for your franchise qb .

Pay Aaron now!

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

steveishere
Veteran Member

5 years ago

#13

On Rodgers last extension he averaged 22m/y which was about 18% of the 2013 salary cap. 18% of this years NFL base salary cap is 31m. That's not now it works out in reality because of structure but just something to keep in mind with all these big numbers is that the salary cap overall has exploded the last few seasons. Interestingly the highest actual cap % we spent on QBs during Rodgers previous contract was in 2014 when he was MVP and as a team GB spent the 2nd highest cap % on defense of any team.

Rodgers contracts haven't been hurting this team because he generally performs up to them. The bad/injured/underperforming defensive contracts have hurt a lot more along with Capers' fragile defensive scheme.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

5 years ago

#14

I'm not on the Carson Wentz is elite train. I like him, just not enthralled with him like it seems some are -- I need to see progression and repeated success. When your backup wins the Super Bowl MVP, after winning multiple games, including all playoff games ... I lean towards a great system for a QB to succeed in. The Wentz hype feels like Collin Kaepernick all over again, except I think Wentz is a better QB. So many were calling Kaepernick great, elite, the next HoF'er or whatever after he played something like 10 games. Anyhow, to the topic here.

Aaron Rodgers is under contract for 2018 (34) and 2019 (35) and set to be a free agent at age 36 in 2020. If the Packers let his contract expire and franchise him twice, I'd be fine. He'd be 38 years old and Packers would be off the hook. I would also be fine with the Packers giving him a five year $100 million contract that's fully guaranteed too or a 10 year $200 million contract knowing full well he's gonna retire or decline dramatically in his early 40's. If you do the math with assuming he plays 5-7 years more, that gives him a high average per active playing year salary, while not killing the Packers salary cap and giving him guaranteed cash. And if he doesn't decline much, it's a win for the Packers.

dyeah_gb
Member

5 years ago

#15

....
Aaron Rodgers is under contract for 2018 (34) and 2019 (35) and set to be a free agent at age 36 in 2020. If the Packers let his contract expire and franchise him twice, I'd be fine. He'd be 38 years old and Packers would be off the hook. I would also be fine with the Packers giving him a five year $100 million contract that's fully guaranteed too or a 10 year $200 million contract knowing full well he's gonna retire or decline dramatically in his early 40's. If you do the math with assuming he plays 5-7 years more, that gives him a high average per active playing year salary, while not killing the Packers salary cap and giving him guaranteed cash. And if he doesn't decline much, it's a win for the Packers.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I agree with this approach. I don't care how much Aaron Rodgers gets paid as long as it is not at the expense of losing other important pieces for the team. I just want to add the caveat that the team should wait and see how he performs after the broken collar bone. I would therefore prefer that no contract takes place unit after at least a few games into next season and very much disagree with the "Pay Aaron now!" camp.

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman

isocleas2
Member

5 years ago

#16

150 million over 5 years (30 mil per) and 100 mil guaranteed is what Matt Ryan signed for this off-season. Does anyone believe Rodgers will accept less than that? I'd love if Rodgers signed for 5/100 but imo that's just not realistic.

The longer this drags out more qbs sign even bigger deals and the cost goes up even further.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#17

. Eagles made some good decisions along the way through some years of struggle. Packers fans don't put up with any prolonged moments of struggle so they're less inclined to see that most of these rosters took several years of disappointment and higher draft picks to get there.

Originally Posted by: DarkaneRules

Darkane made a great point! We have had so many good years, that we are used to making the playoffs and not sucking. Not good enough to win it all, but not bad enough to stink.
Which is good AND bad. We haven’t had to have a total overhaul. Although with the new coaches and systems put in, that may just put us over the top.

Now.....I can see Aaron Rodgers is still under contract, and we could make him play it out and franchise him. But do we really want to do that and tick him off? Do you want your best chance at a title feeling undervalued? I hate us having to pay out ridiculous money, but the alternative is not very good. Having a moping “Star”.

TheKanataThrilla
Veteran Member

5 years ago

#18

Now.....I can see Aaron Rodgers is still under contract, and we could make him play it out and franchise him. But do we really want to do that and tick him off? Do you want your best chance at a title feeling undervalued? I hate us having to pay out ridiculous money, but the alternative is not very good. Having a moping “Star”.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

And there was a time in his contract when he was the top dog making more than everyone else. I want to see him play. The comeback game against Carolina was not a very good indication we should be spending $30M per.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#19

I can’t judge the guy on the Carolina game. It was his first game back after injury, and wasn’t even 100% healed.
He HAD to be thinking “if I get hit on it, will it snap, ending my career?”
A training camp, and preseason, should remedy those fears.

wpr
Preferred Member

5 years ago

#20

Rodgers signed his contract extension in 2013 but it didn't kick in until 2015. People have been talking about the fact that other players would eventually get paid more than him even though he is the better player before the ink was dry. Aaron isn't stupid. He knew that would happen from the get go. I doubt he has wasted 30 seconds sitting around pouting about not getting the biggest pile of gold. It is very boring when media types pretend to worry about Aaron's emotional state when it comes to his contract. 99% of them have never even talked to Aaron about it. Those that do probably have not been given a clear, and concise answer. At best Aaron gives half and vague replies because it's really not their business and Aaron isn't spending hours every day pining away over his paycheck or the lack thereof.

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

beast (12h) : Family? That's Deadpool's F word

Nonstopdrivel (12h) : Not THAT f-word.

Zero2Cool (12h) : fuck

beast (13h) : 49ers are Cap Tight

beast (13h) : Fuck

Mucky Tundra (14h) : Kanata, I will be when I'm on my lunch later

TheKanataThrilla (14h) : Love you NSD

Nonstopdrivel (14h) : Huh. I guess the F-word is censored in this fan shout.

Nonstopdrivel (14h) : Anyone who doesn't hang out in the chat probably smokes pole.

TheKanataThrilla (14h) : GoPackGo Thinking CB is the pick tonight

TheKanataThrilla (14h) : Anyone hanging out in the chat tonight?

Zero2Cool (15h) : whoa...49ers have had trade conversations about both Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk

Zero2Cool (15h) : I hope they take a Punter at 9th overall. Be bold!

Mucky Tundra (16h) : I may end up eating those words but I think they need a lot more talent then their 4 picks can provide

Mucky Tundra (16h) : I really hope they stand pat and Draft a WR

Mucky Tundra (16h) : @DMRussini

Mucky Tundra (16h) : The Chicago Bears are very open for business at 9 and telling teams they are ready to move for the right price, per source

buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend Penei Soul 4yrs - 112mil

buckeyepackfan (24-Apr) : Lions extend St. Brown 4 years 120mil and

Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : Now look, trading up to 13 to take a TE might not seem like a good idea later but it will be later!

dfosterf (24-Apr) : (Your trade up mock post)

dfosterf (24-Apr) : Mucky- The only thing fun to watch would be me flipping the f out if Gute goes up to 13 and grabs Brock Bowers, lol

beast (24-Apr) : DT Byron Murphy II, Texas... whom some believe is the next Aaron Donald (or the closest thing to Donald)

Zero2Cool (24-Apr) : What? And who?

Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : *sad Mucky noises*

Mucky Tundra (24-Apr) : @JoeJHoyt Murphy said he’s been told he won’t slide past pick No. 16.

wpr (23-Apr) : Just about time to watch Sonny Weaver stick it to the seahags. I never get tired of it.

Martha Careful (23-Apr) : *game plan

Martha Careful (23-Apr) : IMHO, not even close. He is not a guy you game play around.

Mucky Tundra (23-Apr) : is Aiyuk worth a 1st rounder?

Zero2Cool (23-Apr) : 49ers are seeking a 1st round pick in exchange for WR Brandon Aiyuk

Mucky Tundra (22-Apr) : Based on Gutes comments, now I don't feel as silly having 13 picks in my mock the other day

Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Zach Wilson to Broncos.

Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Gutekunst says he'd love to have 13 or 14 picks. He's trading back huh lol

beast (22-Apr) : Someday we'll have a draft betting scandal

beast (21-Apr) : Sometimes looking extremely amazing, sometimes looking extremely lost

beast (21-Apr) : I haven't looked into the QBs, but some have suggested Maye has some of the most extremely inconsistent tape they've seen

beast (21-Apr) : Well it also sounds like Patriots are listening to trade offers, not that seriously considering any, but listening means they aren't locked

Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Maye needs to be AFC

Mucky Tundra (21-Apr) : Not liking the idea of the Vikings getting Maye

Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Vikings HC joked that he may or may not have sent flowers to Bob Kraft. That's where rumor came from.

beast (21-Apr) : Can't tell if this is real or BS, but some rumors about a possible Patriots/Vikings trade for #3 overall

dfosterf (21-Apr) : One playbook to my knowledge. I was shooting for facetious.

beast (20-Apr) : I'm not sure they have different playbooks for different OL positions, and Dillard run blocking is supposedly worse than his pass blocking..

dfosterf (19-Apr) : The only problem with that is he isn't a guard either.

dfosterf (19-Apr) : Put him at right guard. That is where he will be coached. That is where he will compete. He is not even allowed to look at the LT playbook.

dfosterf (18-Apr) : Kidding aside, I hope the best for him.

dfosterf (18-Apr) : Went to a Titans board. One comment there. Not very long. I quote: "LOL" They don't sound overly upset about our aquisition.

beast (18-Apr) : OT Dillard has been absolutely horrible... like OG Newman levels

dfosterf (18-Apr) : Suit him up and have him stand in front of the big board as a draft day cautionary tale.

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2023 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM

Bears

38 - 20

Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM

Falcons

24 - 25

Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM

SAINTS

18 - 17

Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM

LIONS

20 - 34

Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM

Raiders

13 - 17

Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

17 - 19

Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

10 - 24

Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM

RAMS

20 - 3

Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM

Steelers

19 - 23

Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM

CHARGERS

23 - 20

Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM

Lions

29 - 22

Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM

CHIEFS

27 - 19

Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM

Giants

22 - 24

Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM

BUCCANEERS

20 - 34

Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM

Panthers

33 - 30

Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM

Vikings

33 - 10

Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM

BEARS

17 - 9

Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM

Cowboys

48 - 32

Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM

49ers

21 - 24