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wpr  
#1 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:21:36 AM(UTC)
CheeseheadTV said:

Number 24? You have to be kidding me. 
ESPN ranked the NFL backfields and the Packers checked in at No. 24. For those wondering, there are only 32 teams in the NFL.
Now, you can look at the Packers’ quarterback and automatically think that the running back position will be overlooked because they have the best passer in the game. While Aaron Rodgers is the best passer, and arguably best player in the game right now, the running game has evolved into more than just an afterthought.
Even with Aaron Jones getting suspended for a couple games to start off the season, Green Bay is going to going to surprise people in the backfield. And from the looks of this flimsy ranking, it looks like the Packers have more people to surprise.
The only question mark is the right side of the offensive line. If Bryan Bulaga starts out the season on the PUP list, can Kyle Murphy hold down that right tackle spot?
Other than that, Jamaal Williams and Jones proved that they can carry the load. And both even worked well off each other. The added element is Ty Montgomery. His role has been under lock and key. I’m guessing he will be a third down back and also operate out of the slot, which is a huge advantage for Rodgers.
There’s no way the Packers have the No. 24 backfield in the NFL. That’s just absurd. There are plenty of holes on this team. Wide receiver depth, edge rusher consistency and secondary tackling are three main things that come to mind.
But running back reliance isn’t one of them. As long as coach Mike McCarthy and Rodgers consistently feed those guys the ball, they will do just fine.

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I get it that this is the off season and there isn't a lot to write about. I realize Cory's not an officially sanctioned journalist. We still need to factor in the horrible QB situation. But he really doesn't have a lot of beef about. There is nothing in the GB backfield's performance last year that makes them deserve very much respect.

Williams was #35 in yards at 556
Jones #42 448
Monty #71 273

Ok they were all hurt last year. Let's look at their yards per game.
Jones 37.3 #44
Williams 34.8 #50
Monty 34.1 #51

Yes some of that was playing while injured I get that. Nevertheless none of their stats from last year scream out that they merit more attention than ESPN is giving them. To top it off Cory correctly points out that the whole right side of the OL is suspect. It is only prudent to take a wait and see attitude before assigning GB a lofty status as a RB team.

With so many questions to be answered I am not sure what position ESPN should have placed GB. 20th maybe? The bump is hardly worth getting too worked up about.

But hey, it is the off season and there isn't a whole lot to talk about so why not.
earthquake  
#2 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:33:55 AM(UTC)
I think it's safe to say GB's backfield is an unknown going into 2018. However, while individual stats are not impressive, looking at team stats from 2017 it's more encouraging:

2017
TDs: 11th
Average: tied for 3rd
Total yards: 17th

If (and this is a big if) the Packer's RBs stay healthy, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest they could be an average (~16th overall) or even above average rushing team. With Rodgers and the passing game, that could make for a very effective offense.
nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 10:42:37 AM(UTC)
These guys were rookies. They didn’t get the call until probly around mid season. Can we prorate the stats and extrapolate outward for 16 games? What are their per carry averages?
wpr  
#4 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:31:39 AM(UTC)
earthquake said: Go to Quoted Post
I think it's safe to say GB's backfield is an unknown going into 2018. However, while individual stats are not impressive, looking at team stats from 2017 it's more encouraging:

2017
TDs: 11th
Average: tied for 3rd
Total yards: 17th

If (and this is a big if) the Packer's RBs stay healthy, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest they could be an average (~16th overall) or even above average rushing team. With Rodgers and the passing game, that could make for a very effective offense.


I'm not saying they are terrible. They and the OL are an unknown. That's why I am not going to be upset that an article rates them so low at this time of the year.
wpr  
#5 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 11:48:25 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
These guys were rookies. They didn’t get the call until probly around mid season. Can we prorate the stats and extrapolate outward for 16 games? What are their per carry averages?


Don't give me that line. There are plenty of rookies who put up big numbers. Last year it was Kareem Hunt with 1327 Leonard Fournette at 1040 and even Alvin Kamara's 736 who substantially out preformed them. Ty was the effective starting RB for the first 3 games. After that Williams and Jones carried the load for almost all of the year.

FYI- There are website that are dedicated to giving you the answers to your questions. I suggest you frequent them every once in a while. Jones did have a decent 5.5 avg but if he doesn't have 500 yards for the year does it even matter? Williams 3.6 and Monty 3.8.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 12:41:58 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Don't give me that line. There are plenty of rookies who put up big numbers. Last year it was Kareem Hunt with 1327 Leonard Fournette at 1040 and even Alvin Kamara's 736 who substantially out preformed them. Ty was the effective starting RB for the first 3 games. After that Williams and Jones carried the load for almost all of the year.

FYI- There are website that are dedicated to giving you the answers to your questions. I suggest you frequent them every once in a while. Jones did have a decent 5.5 avg but if he doesn't have 500 yards for the year does it even matter? Williams 3.6 and Monty 3.8.


Bear in mind also that we were without a T for much of the early season. Not a starting T, but a T at all on the active roster.

For what it’s worth, I do like Williams. I put him on part with Ryan Grant, only with more vision, he’s not gonna run into the pile everytime without seeing a gaping hole right next to him. He runs hard, nothing particularly elite, but he gets it done.

I’ve heard Brandon Jackson is teaching them pass pro.
isocleas2  
#7 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 3:06:46 PM(UTC)
Most teams have an established #1 I think GB is judged harshly because of their lack of a lead back. They certainly have potential though if Jones/Montgomery stay healthy they'll be atleast in the 12-18 range imo.

The injuries to the OL and Rbs last year shouldn't be understated.
wpr  
#8 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 5:51:33 PM(UTC)
*Sigh*

Do people just blindly argue the Packers are not given enough respect without thinking everything all the way through?

ISO- "Most teams have a #1 RB". Since GB doesn't at this time that more than likely pulls their ranking down.
The potential is there but if Jones/ Montgomery Stay healthy they ranking will increase. We are not even to TC yet so there is no urgency on the writer's part to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Injuries to the OL and RB can not be understated. That's a huge part of the reason why they are ranked low.

Nerd- GB had issues with RT last year. There is no proof they are not going to have the same issue this year too. And maybe RG too. Who knows. Thus a contributing factor to the ranking. By year's end they may well be 16 or so. They haven't earned that rank and ESPN isn't going to give it to them.
Cheesey  
#9 Posted : Saturday, July 7, 2018 7:23:03 PM(UTC)
I like it. Give a little more to make our guys want to prove this guy wrong.
sschind  
#10 Posted : Monday, July 9, 2018 3:09:16 PM(UTC)
I'm not an insider so I can't see who is rated around them but for the reasons everyone has given I have no issue with them being ranked #24. They all looked good at times and I think we will be OK (and the overall ranking will be higher by seasons end) but I can't look at any one of them and say we are set at RB because we have him.

Some fans have to realize that their team can't be ranked in the the top 5 in everything year after year.
warhawk  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:38:47 PM(UTC)
How can you look at stats on a pass oriented team with a prolific QB when that guy is lost and the next guy can't play? Of course it affects the running game just like in certain ways it affects the defense It certainly affected how opposing defenses played us, right? Could they not just stack against the run in no fear of Hundley? I mean c'mon. The guy handed the ball off on 1st and 2nd down on most drives and threw the ball 5 yards or less 90% of the time he did let one go.
Teams are going to game plan against Rodgers differently. They have to or he's going to bury them. The Packer run game needs to be good enough to make defenses adjust their plan to respect our ability to run the football. That is more than a subtle shift in philosophy teams came in with last year and one that the RB's can run with (pun intended).
Quite honestly with Hundley being such a non threat I'm surprised the RB's did as well as they did. Williams just basically plowed his way to his yards and I give him kudos for that.

Hell, I don't know what you all remember from last year but for me the RB's were most often the only thing I got any encouragement from at all.
beast  
#12 Posted : Saturday, July 14, 2018 4:46:35 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm not saying they are terrible. They and the OL are an unknown. That's why I am not going to be upset that an article rates them so low at this time of the year.


I agree, I don't see what the big deal is. After all we don't have a single proven guy at the position, especially not a single two year proven guy.

Also while Monty and Jones can make some things happen when they're given space, the Packers OL didn't exactly shown a great ability to create space last year... though part of that problem with the injuries at OTs... but rumor has it, Bulaga might start the season on the PUP list... so that problem hasn't resolved it's self yet... unless Murphy, Spriggs or the new Bell can step up and play well at the position.

Though having TE Marcedes Lewis might help a ton. I'm really wondering if we might see a lot of two TE sets... which Lewis playing traditional TE and Graham playing a WR/TE tweener.

But all #24 says is that the Packers don't have a two year proven RB or OL at this time... and they simply don't.
sschind  
#13 Posted : Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:39:17 PM(UTC)
If the vikings or Bears had the same RBs as we do some Packer fans would be saying they have no proven RBs and a converted WR and the rating is probably too high. When it about our players those same fans get all upset and play the "no respect" card.
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