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bboystyle  
#21 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 9:32:26 AM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
It's hard to verify, but reading between the lines, I do feel there are some growing issues with AR-MM, accountability, etc. I'm not vehemently opposed to a change, I just feel focusing on that issue on the team is like being worried about bad cranberry sauce at Thanksgiving when you burned the turkey.

I stole this idea from Ketchman, but I do agree if Mike McCarthy is fired, he's on a flight to Cleveland that day landing on his feet.


Its a fact theres issues between rodgers and mm. Its been printed and noted by the media only for those two to take the high road and call it creative differences or some other nice way of putting it. Been like the for years. Rodgers is tired of Mike McCarthy as much as we are
Cheesey  
#22 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 9:46:22 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
He's an idiot because he ran into the kicker and the referee made a mistake in the call?

Name calling. Wow.
.


YES.
What was the guys JOB? DONT HIT THE KICKER!!!
So what did he do?
HIT THE KICKER!
Did the ref blow the call? I’m not so sure of that. Watching the replay, he DID hit the kickers plant leg.
Did the Packer player cause the penalty? YES.
Your team is set up to get great field position, and your defense made a great stop, and you put your team against the wall because of a boneheaded play.
So I got angry. I called the guy an idiot.
Sue me.
nerdmann  
#23 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 9:58:17 AM(UTC)
bboystyle said: Go to Quoted Post
Its a fact theres issues between rodgers and mm. Its been printed and noted by the media only for those two to take the high road and call it creative differences or some other nice way of putting it. Been like the for years. Rodgers is tired of Mike McCarthy as much as we are


Rodgers is pulling a Bert Favor power play.

It's like Ellerson was saying on the post game show. The reason the offense is disjointed is because you have TWO play callers. We are all aware of Aaron's propensity.

Mike's problem is he's afraid to stand up to Rodgers or reign him in. It goes along with his overall lack of understanding of sports psychology. Not only can't he get his team in the right mindset, he can't (or won't) control the ego of his diva star QB.
bboystyle  
#24 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 10:05:01 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers is pulling a Bert Favor power play.

It's like Ellerson was saying on the post game show. The reason the offense is disjointed is because you have TWO play callers. We are all aware of Aaron's propensity.

Mike's problem is he's afraid to stand up to Rodgers or reign him in. It goes along with his overall lack of understanding of sports psychology. Not only can't he get his team in the right mindset, he can't (or won't) control the ego of his diva star QB.


This is true. But i dont fault rodgers on this one. Hes been in the same system since he started. Theres been little to no change since and the offense is easy to read to the point fans can call the plays at the comfort of their couch. I honestly dont know why we rehired philbin for. He brings nothing new and im sure Mike McCarthy has the final saying/power on calls.

We need to go back to the 2007 offense where we were running a true WCO with quit slants and out routes....u know the same offense brady and beli run that wins them games...



Rodgers needs to stop looking for the huge play too. He rarely takes his first option read and tries to find adams or cobb downfield.
Cheesey  
#25 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 10:07:14 AM(UTC)
I don’t see Rodgers as the problem. He’s trying to make plays, and the O-line can’t give him time.
Give Aaron Rodgers time, and he will get it done.
Look at the time Brady had? Give that same protection to Rodgers, and he would kill the defense.
bboystyle  
#26 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 10:47:08 AM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
I don’t see Rodgers as the problem. He’s trying to make plays, and the O-line can’t give him time.
Give Aaron Rodgers time, and he will get it done.
Look at the time Brady had? Give that same protection to Rodgers, and he would kill the defense.


Didnt say he was the problem. But he does hold onto the ball too long which been his issue since day 1 and tries to look for the big play more often then he should.
musccy  
#27 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 11:28:55 AM(UTC)
bboystyle said: Go to Quoted Post
This is true. But i dont fault rodgers on this one. Hes been in the same system since he started. Theres been little to no change since and the offense is easy to read to the point fans can call the plays at the comfort of their couch. I honestly dont know why we rehired philbin for. He brings nothing new and im sure Mike McCarthy has the final saying/power on calls.

We need to go back to the 2007 offense where we were running a true WCO with quit slants and out routes....u know the same offense brady and beli run that wins them games...



There's a lot more to calling plays than run/pass. I know you know this, but I don't think you're taking into account blocking schemes or how you shift help to Spriggs when Bulaga is down. Adjustments such as how they started throwing quicker routes to Adams after the first few drives when he was getting doubled. Yesterday was the first time I'm aware of that they ran a 4 TE set. There's sequencing of plays to set up a defense. Truthfully, we as fans don't know a lot of what goes into play calling, one of the big reasons is the freedom Aaron Rodgers has at the line.

It's why I mentioned in a previous message you should look at talent on the roster and growth. Jones has improved in the passing game, MVS clearly has added a new element. Adams is a key WR in the league. There's growth we're seeing on a roster that IMO is underpowered. Yet again, this is not meant as an apology for MM, but simply saying "MM is bad, Reid would do better" is an unfair oversimplification, IMO
bboystyle  
#28 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 12:13:59 PM(UTC)
musccy said: Go to Quoted Post
There's a lot more to calling plays than run/pass. I know you know this, but I don't think you're taking into account blocking schemes or how you shift help to Spriggs when Bulaga is down. Adjustments such as how they started throwing quicker routes to Adams after the first few drives when he was getting doubled. Yesterday was the first time I'm aware of that they ran a 4 TE set. There's sequencing of plays to set up a defense. Truthfully, we as fans don't know a lot of what goes into play calling, one of the big reasons is the freedom Aaron Rodgers has at the line.

It's why I mentioned in a previous message you should look at talent on the roster and growth. Jones has improved in the passing game, MVS clearly has added a new element. Adams is a key WR in the league. There's growth we're seeing on a roster that IMO is underpowered. Yet again, this is not meant as an apology for MM, but simply saying "MM is bad, Reid would do better" is an unfair oversimplification, IMO


Mike McCarthy doesnt keep opposing defenses honest. U can tell when they are gonna run or pass. Thats what i meant by knowing the plays before the snap. Theres no presnap motions or exotic looks. We rarely line up in i-formation which helps majorly with play action. 90% of our snaps are out of shotgun formation and RB draws.
sschind  
#29 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 1:07:33 PM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
YES.
What was the guys JOB? DONT HIT THE KICKER!!!
So what did he do?
HIT THE KICKER!
Did the ref blow the call? I’m not so sure of that. Watching the replay, he DID hit the kickers plant leg.
Did the Packer player cause the penalty? YES.
Your team is set up to get great field position, and your defense made a great stop, and you put your team against the wall because of a boneheaded play.
So I got angry. I called the guy an idiot.
Sue me.



The guy's job was probably trying top block the punt. If his job was to not hit the kicker why take the chance and even rush.
sschind  
#30 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 1:15:29 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Rodgers is pulling a Bert Favor power play.

It's like Ellerson was saying on the post game show. The reason the offense is disjointed is because you have TWO play callers. We are all aware of Aaron's propensity.

Mike's problem is he's afraid to stand up to Rodgers or reign him in. It goes along with his overall lack of understanding of sports psychology. Not only can't he get his team in the right mindset, he can't (or won't) control the ego of his diva star QB.


So McCarthy is in a lose lose situation. He is condemned for not reigning in his diva QB and if he does reign him in he will be condemned for holding back the best QB in the game. I can't think of any coach in recent history that would be hired somewhere else as quickly as Mike McCarthy would be if he were fired. I mean fired for not being a good coach. Obviously a guy like Bellichick would be hired quickly as well but no one is calling for him to be fired. If Mike McCarthy were fired today I bet three more coaches would be fired within the hour and those teams would be lining up to hire McCarthy.
Cheesey  
#31 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 1:23:21 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
The guy's job was probably trying top block the punt. If his job was to not hit the kicker why take the chance and even rush.


That’s just it. They should have set up a return in that situation. Your D just made a fantastic stand, and you are in a close game with a chance to get good field position. If the ST coach told them to try to block it, maybe he’s an idiot too.
I’m just getting tired of stupid mistakes killing our team. So I admit I’m getting ticked off and have a much shorter fuse then normal.
I hate to admit that the Packers stink this year. I really thought they would bounce back from last season. Instead, it seems they are stuck in neutral.
They are their own worst enemy.
I still love them, but I’m MAD at them as well!
nerdmann  
#32 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 1:39:16 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
So McCarthy is in a lose lose situation. He is condemned for not reigning in his diva QB and if he does reign him in he will be condemned for holding back the best QB in the game. I can't think of any coach in recent history that would be hired somewhere else as quickly as Mike McCarthy would be if he were fired. I mean fired for not being a good coach. Obviously a guy like Bellichick would be hired quickly as well but no one is calling for him to be fired. If Mike McCarthy were fired today I bet three more coaches would be fired within the hour and those teams would be lining up to hire McCarthy.


Mike will be criticized until his offense is no longer LESS than the sum of it's parts.

In particular he needs to get control of his players. They clearly do not respect him. Aaron is a team leader, people look to HIM to see how to act.

Other than that, he needs to understand how to motivate them, yet keep them loose, so they can get in the zone and perform at a high level.

Like I said, Mike has no grasp whatsoever about sports psychology. He's just out there with his textbook, pointing at the pages.
nerdmann  
#33 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 1:40:32 PM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
That’s just it. They should have set up a return in that situation. Your D just made a fantastic stand, and you are in a close game with a chance to get good field position. If the ST coach told them to try to block it, maybe he’s an idiot too.
I’m just getting tired of stupid mistakes killing our team. So I admit I’m getting ticked off and have a much shorter fuse then normal.
I hate to admit that the Packers stink this year. I really thought they would bounce back from last season. Instead, it seems they are stuck in neutral.
They are their own worst enemy.
I still love them, but I’m MAD at them as well!


Special Teams arguably has cost us these last two games. They, in particular, have been shitting themselves rather spectacularly.
bboystyle  
#34 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 3:19:56 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
So McCarthy is in a lose lose situation. He is condemned for not reigning in his diva QB and if he does reign him in he will be condemned for holding back the best QB in the game. I can't think of any coach in recent history that would be hired somewhere else as quickly as Mike McCarthy would be if he were fired. I mean fired for not being a good coach. Obviously a guy like Bellichick would be hired quickly as well but no one is calling for him to be fired. If Mike McCarthy were fired today I bet three more coaches would be fired within the hour and those teams would be lining up to hire McCarthy.




And those three teams will be just as dumb to hire him as well. Hes a nobody without an elite qb and thats a fact. The media tries to shove this narrative about Mike McCarthy like hes a top great coach. To me, hes not jeff fisher bad but hes not even on andy reids level. Reid won games with mediocre qbs, Mike McCarthy would be a 3 to 4 win coach every season without an elite qb.
sschind  
#35 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 3:25:09 PM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
That’s just it. They should have set up a return in that situation. Your D just made a fantastic stand, and you are in a close game with a chance to get good field position. If the ST coach told them to try to block it, maybe he’s an idiot too.
I’m just getting tired of stupid mistakes killing our team. So I admit I’m getting ticked off and have a much shorter fuse then normal.
I hate to admit that the Packers stink this year. I really thought they would bounce back from last season. Instead, it seems they are stuck in neutral.
They are their own worst enemy.
I still love them, but I’m MAD at them as well!


That's a bit different than saying his job was not to run into the kicker and I don't disagree with you on the setting up a return. Like you said the defense just did a great job and you stood to get decent field position and the chances of a block are very slim. On the other hand the chances of a roughing call are pretty slim as well.

That is one reason why I don't get so worked up over stuff like this. Sometimes there is a fine line between a stupid mistake and a great play. If he blocks it he is a hero instead he is the goat. Same with Monty last week if he doesn't fumble few are complaining and if he brings it out to the 40 (or even better) no one is complaining. You will still have some people saying it was a poor decision (which it certainly was) but he is going to be forgiven if it works out. Certainly we wouldn't have had the uproar and calls for his head like we did.

I guess if you are passionate you are going to let people know and its going to bother you a lot more. I've learned to temper my anger and frustration but as a result I must say I have lost a bit of interest as well. I work every other Sunday so I can't watch all the games even if I wanted to and I don't have cable or any other way of watching on my TV so even if I have off I am forced to try to find a streaming option. I saw maybe half the game trying to locate a decent one and when I couldn't I said screw it and just followed the play by play on nfl.com (or was it espn? I don't recall.) Anyway, since my nephews started playing Pee Wee football 4 years ago the NFL and, sadly, even the Packers have lost a lot of their appeal.
Cheesey  
#36 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 3:46:07 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
That's a bit different than saying his job was not to run into the kicker and I don't disagree with you on the setting up a return. Like you said the defense just did a great job and you stood to get decent field position and the chances of a block are very slim. On the other hand the chances of a roughing call are pretty slim as well.

That is one reason why I don't get so worked up over stuff like this. Sometimes there is a fine line between a stupid mistake and a great play. If he blocks it he is a hero instead he is the goat. Same with Monty last week if he doesn't fumble few are complaining and if he brings it out to the 40 (or even better) no one is complaining. You will still have some people saying it was a poor decision (which it certainly was) but he is going to be forgiven if it works out. Certainly we wouldn't have had the uproar and calls for his head like we did.

I guess if you are passionate you are going to let people know and its going to bother you a lot more. I've learned to temper my anger and frustration but as a result I must say I have lost a bit of interest as well. I work every other Sunday so I can't watch all the games even if I wanted to and I don't have cable or any other way of watching on my TV so even if I have off I am forced to try to find a streaming option. I saw maybe half the game trying to locate a decent one and when I couldn't I said screw it and just followed the play by play on nfl.com (or was it espn? I don't recall.) Anyway, since my nephews started playing Pee Wee football 4 years ago the NFL and, sadly, even the Packers have lost a lot of their appeal.

Much higher chance of a roughing call then a block.
The Packers are not good enough to overcome bad plays like that.
The defense even stopped the Pats after that horrible penalty. But the good field position was gone.
This team keeps beating itself.
Montgomery last week, the penalty and Jones fumble this week.
They keep coming up with ways to lose them ways to win.
Just frustrating, that’s all.


Nonstopdrivel  
#37 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 5:47:19 PM(UTC)
bboystyle said: Go to Quoted Post
the offense is easy to read to the point fans can call the plays at the comfort of their couch.

I couldn't hear it myself because the game was muted at the bar, but from the very first offensive play of the game, KRK was pointing out that the Patriots defenders were calling out the Packers' plays -- and that's on the scripted plays. That's pretty embarrassing.
gbguy20  
#38 Posted : Monday, November 5, 2018 6:10:46 PM(UTC)
Didn't hear anyone calling about plays. Can we confirm that?
sschind  
#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2018 6:35:41 AM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
Much higher chance of a roughing call then a block.
The Packers are not good enough to overcome bad plays like that.
The defense even stopped the Pats after that horrible penalty. But the good field position was gone.
This team keeps beating itself.
Montgomery last week, the penalty and Jones fumble this week.
They keep coming up with ways to lose them ways to win.
Just frustrating, that’s all.




Amen to that.

Although the only stats I could find say there have been 10 blocked punts so far this year and only 5 roughing the kicker calls. Two of them being by the Packers. and another 5 running into the kicker.
Zero2Cool  
#40 Posted : Tuesday, November 6, 2018 7:01:34 AM(UTC)
Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
YES.
What was the guys JOB? DONT HIT THE KICKER!!!
So what did he do?
HIT THE KICKER!
Did the ref blow the call? I’m not so sure of that. Watching the replay, he DID hit the kickers plant leg.
Did the Packer player cause the penalty? YES.
Your team is set up to get great field position, and your defense made a great stop, and you put your team against the wall because of a boneheaded play.
So I got angry. I called the guy an idiot.
Sue me.


Why you gotta be like his? Relax buddy, relax. No need to go off the deep end call people names behind their back. It wasn't the wrong call to pressure the punter. If you don't risk anything, you don't get rewarded. IF we had blocked it, you'd be saying how great of a play it was. Fact is, you don't know what the hell is going on so maybe you should take that into account before acting like you know everything with this name calling business.

We ALL need to understand we are NOT NFL coaches and haven't a damn clue of the flow of the game or anything of the sort. It's easy to micromanage from the comfort of our chairs.

What most likely happened is the Patriots gave the Packers a look that they felt they could exploit. Players are often told if you see this, do this, if not, go default. Maybe they saw something on film they wanted to take advantage of and it failed? So what. They tried and ran into the punter and the official over penalized the Packers. It happens.

I really wish my life issues were so insignificant that I could get as angry as some of you over things you don't even know. And let me tell you, it is OKAY to not know, but to get enraged and name call as if you're better than them? As if you KNOW better than them? That's just plain ... wrong.

I just hope you all can find happiness. It's going to be OK. The sun is still shinning.
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