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Zero2Cool  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2018 2:22:39 PM(UTC)
Admirable.
DoddPower  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2018 4:01:28 PM(UTC)
Can we get a summary? At work and can't watch yet.
gbguy20  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:26:02 PM(UTC)
What he said
Nonstopdrivel  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:36:19 PM(UTC)
He made enough money.
DoddPower  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 5, 2018 6:51:45 PM(UTC)
Nonstopdrivel said: Go to Quoted Post
He made enough money.


So it was a job and not a life passion. That explains some of his lack-luster play at times. The guys obviously had a ton of talent, but if the passion isn't there, it's just not there. It's too difficult to force it.
Zero2Cool  
#6 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:39:03 AM(UTC)
Why do you assholes have to turn everything to some dick head negative slam?

DoddPower said: Go to Quoted Post
So it was a job and not a life passion. That explains some of his lack-luster play at times. The guys obviously had a ton of talent, but if the passion isn't there, it's just not there. It's too difficult to force it.


No, that wasn't it. His mother and aunt were terminally ill. That he was missing out on time with them is why he took his hiatus. He didn't come back because he realized there was more to life than football and football took too much of his time.

Nonstopdrivel  
#7 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:52:39 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Why do you assholes have to turn everything to some dick head negative slam?

I would have thought it was obvious I was making a joke. Why do you always have to take everything so seriously? My team is playing like shit, they're missing the playoffs for the second year in a row, the head coach and assistant head coach just got fired -- I am entitled make a sardonic joke at the expense of my team if I so please.

In any case, DoddPower has a valid point: anyone who says he doesn't play the game because "it takes too much of his time" pretty much by definition isn't passionate about the game. Contrast Raji's reaction to bereavement to that of, for example, Brett Favre. Night and day. That isn't a slam; it's a statement of fact. There's nothing wrong with not being passionate about playing football. The NFL is a business. Players are under no moral or ethical obligation to play the game for the same reasons fans watch the game.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:39:53 AM(UTC)
Nonstopdrivel said: Go to Quoted Post
I am entitled make a sardonic joke at the expense of my team if I so please.

My apologies, I thought I was entitled to my own thoughts and able to dispense them freely upon this website. I'll do better next time and understand only you are privileged in that capacity.

Nonstopdrivel said: Go to Quoted Post
In any case, DoddPower has a valid point: anyone who says he doesn't play the game because "it takes too much of his time" pretty much by definition isn't passionate about the game. Contrast Raji's reaction to bereavement to that of, for example, Brett Favre. Night and day. That isn't a slam; it's a statement of fact. There's nothing wrong with not being passionate about playing football. The NFL is a business. Players are under no moral or ethical obligation to play the game for the same reasons fans watch the game.

When your mother and aunt (I believe it was mother an aunt), are dying, everything seems like a waste of time and not worth the time. It's all relative. When you have someone dying that is close to you, NOTHING feels like it doesn't take too much time. How hard is that to grasp? How difficult is this to understand? Why does this have to be so difficult? Unreal how hard people will look to slight someone rather than understand. No compassion whatsoever.
Rockmolder  
#9 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 5:51:24 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
My apologies, I thought I was entitled to my own thoughts and able to dispense them freely upon this website. I'll do better next time and understand only you are privileged in that capacity.

When your mother and aunt (I believe it was mother an aunt), are dying, everything seems like a waste of time and not worth the time. It's all relative. When you have someone dying that is close to you, NOTHING feels like it doesn't take too much time. How hard is that to grasp? How difficult is this to understand? Why does this have to be so difficult? Unreal how hard people will look to slight someone rather than understand. No compassion whatsoever.


Where did NSD slight someone? He literally states that Raji has every right to see his career as just that... A career. I'm willing to bet that 90% of people on this board are in a job that they, maybe, like, but don't see as their passion. There's nothing wrong with that.

But in the football world, it does seperate the Brett Favres and James Harrissons from the B.J. Rajis and, in the extreme, JaMarcus Russells.

I also don't think you can call someone an asshole for voicing his opinion and then rant about your opinion not being respected, but I'll let you two fight that one out between yourselves.
Zero2Cool  
#10 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 6:25:36 AM(UTC)
Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
Where did NSD slight someone? He literally states that Raji has every right to see his career as just that... A career.
The purpose of posting the video was to give insight, give some background on Raji's decision. Rourke clearly doesn't care about that, which is perfectly fine (as I've always said, we are all entitled to our opinions). I felt it's an asshole thing to say about someone who walked away from millions to spend time with his family because FAMILY was more important, not money. He didn't go "eh I made enough money, time to walk way". He walked away from the game because he wanted to spend the remaining moments, hours, days, weeks, months, years with those were dying.

As someone who's lost many (like most) this is highly sensitive to me because I wish I had that opportunity.

Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
But in the football world, it does seperate the Brett Favres and James Harrissons from the B.J. Rajis and, in the extreme, JaMarcus Russells.
Absolutely true.

Rockmolder said: Go to Quoted Post
I also don't think you can call someone an asshole for voicing his opinion and then rant about your opinion not being respected, but I'll let you two fight that one out between yourselves.
I find it fascinating how you repeatedly go to lengths to understand others and skim over my point in an effort to attack me. You're more interested in ridiculing me than focusing on the topic. I get it, you don't like me, no need to keep attacking me. I have enough shit to deal with.



I'm locking this thread (because my stupid emotional reaction of comment derailed the fuck out of it), please, just watch the video. What Raji did is admirable, in my opinion.


Update: Apparently locking it was another mistake. Go ahead, pile on.

Updated by user Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:27:41 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

gbguy20  
#11 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:51:08 AM(UTC)
What the hell happened in this thread?
Rockmolder  
#12 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:06:24 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
The purpose of posting the video was to give insight, give some background on Raji's decision. Rourke clearly doesn't care about that, which is perfectly fine (as I've always said, we are all entitled to our opinions). I felt it's an asshole thing to say about someone who walked away from millions to spend time with his family because FAMILY was more important, not money. He didn't go "eh I made enough money, time to walk way". He walked away from the game because he wanted to spend the remaining moments, hours, days, weeks, months, years with those were dying.

As someone who's lost many (like most) this is highly sensitive to me because I wish I had that opportunity.


I can imagine so. I would've liked that, as well. And if I had made those millions that Raji has over his career in my job, I would've taken that chance with both hands and make the most of the time left.

On the other side, it does show he didn't live for the game. Something no one blames him for, but something that did stop him from reaching his full potential.

Commenting on only one of those two doesn't mean you can't agree with the other side, as well.

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I find it fascinating how you repeatedly go to lengths to understand others and skim over my point in an effort to attack me. You're more interested in ridiculing me than focusing on the topic. I get it, you don't like me, no need to keep attacking me. I have enough shit to deal with.


I'm sorry if I come over that way. It's not intentional, if that's any solace. I understand your point. I've been trough enough stuff, as well. I just don't agree with the way you disregarded Rourke's comments in this thread. He comes from a point of reasoning and you come from a point of emotion. Both are fine, in my opinion.

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I'm locking this thread (because my stupid emotional reaction of comment derailed the fuck out of it), please, just watch the video. What Raji did is admirable, in my opinion.

Update: Apparently locking it was another mistake. Go ahead, pile on.


It's not about piling on. I'd rather have it cleared up that I'm not responding to your posts out of some kind of hatred or dislike, but just out of disagreement on this point. Locking it up after responding gives for little ability to nuance what I said. I'm not trying to come over hostile. Might just be my Dutch directness combined with a bit of a language barrier.
Nonstopdrivel  
#13 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 4:23:22 PM(UTC)
I'm not making any kind of value value judgment when it comes to what BJ Raji did for his family. Maybe it was noble; maybe it wasn't. It simply doesn't matter to me personally. As cold as it sounds, I couldn't care less about NFL players as people, any more than I care about rock stars, movie stars, or comedians as people. To me they're nothing more than a bunch of wildly talented thoroughbreds paid obscene sums of money to provide me a few hours' worth of fun and respite from the shit I deal with in my everyday life. I root for them as long as they continue to play for my team or thrill me with their exploits (ala Peyton Manning), and after that, I'm through with them and don't look back. I know I'm on the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to my lack of attachment to athletes, but there you have it.

From my perspective, it's obvious BJ Raji had made enough money, since the money wasn't enough to lure him back. And it's obvious his heart wasn't in the game, because unlike a lot of the old guys who keep on mushing until they die in the traces, he was able to stay away. That's neither a good nor a bad thing. It just is. Not every player has to be -- or even should be -- a Reggie White or a Charles Woodson.
wpr  
#14 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 6:49:22 PM(UTC)
Nonstopdrivel said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm not making any kind of value value judgment when it comes to what BJ Raji did for his family. Maybe it was noble; maybe it wasn't. It simply doesn't matter to me personally. As cold as it sounds, I couldn't care less about NFL players as people, any more than I care about rock stars, movie stars, or comedians as people. To me they're nothing more than a bunch of wildly talented thoroughbreds paid obscene sums of money to provide me a few hours' worth of fun and respite from the shit I deal with in my everyday life. I root for them as long as they continue to play for my team or thrill me with their exploits (ala Peyton Manning), and after that, I'm through with them and don't look back. I know I'm on the extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to my lack of attachment to athletes, but there you have it.

From my perspective, it's obvious BJ Raji had made enough money, since the money wasn't enough to lure him back. And it's obvious his heart wasn't in the game, because unlike a lot of the old guys who keep on mushing until they die in the traces, he was able to stay away. That's neither a good nor a bad thing. It just is. Not every player has to be -- or even should be -- a Reggie White or a Charles Woodson.


I am probably only 2 steps behind you. I don't really know who these people really are. Only their public persona. They certainly don't know me or even care about me. That's fine.

In general people don't understand it when players "Max Bernbaum" and leave before they grow old. Barry did it and people who weren't Detroit fans had coronaries. For what? They still had to go to work on Monday and pay their mortgage once a month. Nothing in their drab little lives was different. Every single one of them eventually found a new personality to take Barry's place and they lived happily ever after.
KRK  
#15 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:14:23 PM(UTC)
Because of a family situation, I was forced to choose between fast career advancement and family. Like Raji, I chose family....never regretted it. And my guess is, he didn't either. Thankfully, my choice was not as binary as his. I did not have to permanently sacrifice a career....but I am not sure he had to either, but that was his choice.

You will never regret the time you spent with family during difficult times.
wpr  
#16 Posted : Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:44:59 PM(UTC)
KRK said: Go to Quoted Post
Because of a family situation, I was forced to choose between fast career advancement and family. Like Raji, I chose family....never regretted it. And my guess is, he didn't either. Thankfully, my choice was not as binary as his. I did not have to permanently sacrifice a career....but I am not sure he had to either, but that was his choice.

You will never regret the time you spent with family during difficult times.


As my Dad was slowly winding down from cancer his kids took turns spending the night with him. Before he was catheterized he wanted to get up about 6 times a night to pee so we helped him walk to the bathroom. Even afterward he didn't realize and still had the urge so he would wake us up asking for us to help him get out of bed.

Mom thought it was too demanding on us so she kept telling us not to come over. She was there and they had a 24/7 caregiver. I told her they deserved to get some rest because they had him all day long. When she kept complaining I asked her if she was telling us that we couldn't spend as much time as possible with Dad in his final months. When she heard that she calmed down and didn't complain anymore.

We only have so many days and they are gone so very quickly. I am almost stunned when I think about being 60 years old and how fast it has gone by. I also realize the last "20" will go by even quicker.

Now that she has dementia I try to get over to see her 3 or 4 times a week. Sometimes I can. Sometimes life gets in the way.
Nonstopdrivel  
#17 Posted : Friday, December 7, 2018 8:32:48 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
I am probably only 2 steps behind you. I don't really know who these people really are. Only their public persona. They certainly don't know me or even care about me. That's fine.

In general people don't understand it when players "Max Bernbaum" and leave before they grow old. Barry did it and people who weren't Detroit fans had coronaries. For what? They still had to go to work on Monday and pay their mortgage once a month. Nothing in their drab little lives was different. Every single one of them eventually found a new personality to take Barry's place and they lived happily ever after.

This is so well stated that I felt compelled to quote it verbatim.

That being said, my experience is different than the rest of yours: I put off my career many years for the sake of family, and now that my career is back on track, I'm finding I regret the delay more with every passing day.

DoddPower  
#18 Posted : Friday, December 7, 2018 11:19:39 AM(UTC)
I would never blame Raji for his decision, even if it was selfish and had nothing to do with his family (hypothetically). Just like love, one can't force passion, especially in the NFL. My point was that if he was deeply passionate about the NFL, he would have likely been a dominant player for many years because he is/was very talented. He wasn't deeply passionate, and it often showed on the field with play that didn't match his abilities. Since this was the case, he made the right decision to take a new path. Props to him for having conviction to make the tough call.
Nonstopdrivel  
#19 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 7:05:37 AM(UTC)
Likewise, I don't fault a man for continuing to play the game even if he isn't passionate about it, as long as he lives up to his end of the bargain and performs to standard. If I had the opportunity to set myself up financially for life by working for a few years in a field I wasn't passionate about and thereafter have the freedom to pursue whatever career I truly loved without the added pressure and stress of needing to work, I would surely do it.
KRK  
#20 Posted : Saturday, December 8, 2018 8:13:15 AM(UTC)
To be frank, I think one of the things our personnel people should be looking at is the 'motor' within prospective players...how bad to they want it. I wonder whether or not that was examined pre-draft. I sure hope it is now.
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