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We'll take into account three key factors, viewed through the lens of effective passers with at least 200 attempts: pressure rate, time to throw and sacks allowed. Toss in the relative mobility of the passer in question and league-wide reputations for individual tackle performances in 2018 to make this assessment, and it's clear Bakhtiari deserves this nod.

Green Bay owned the fourth-highest average time to throw in the league at 2.96 seconds, yet allowed a pressure on Aaron Rodgers on just 21.1 percent of dropbacks, sixth-lowest in the NFL. That means the Packers are sustaining their blocks longer than any other team in the league at the most efficient rate

, an effort led by Bakhtiari.

Nick Shook of NFL.com  wrote:



Some have blindly attacking the OL, for Rodgers being pressured/taking hits, but that's just ignorance... as Rodgers has had more time than most QBs and got pressured (percentage wise) relatively little per pass play... the problem was the ball wasn't coming out of Rodgers hands, for a couple different reasons (such as scheme, QB, receiving targets), none of which the OL has any control of... of the items they can control such as time/pressure, they did a pretty good job.


The stats suggest that the Packers had one of the best pass blocking OL in the entire NFL!
Just that others couldn't maximum that extra time, at least not within the scheme.
Hopefully this ends the OL fault only excuses; but ignorance is bliss, so it's doubtful...


And yes there is a running game factor too... but 72.6% of the Packers plays were passing plays (so clearly that was a larger factor)... and the Packers were second in the NFL in yards per rushing attempt at 5.0, behind only the Panthers which have a running QB... so the running game didn't seem to suffer per run play called (and OL can't control how often certain plays are called).


I'm just trying to point out, that some need to expand their need to improve view, as the scheme, QB and receivers need to improve as well as the OGs.

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5 years ago
Blocking for Aaron Rodgers is also significantly more difficult because he tries to extend the play even when he doesn't need to. If the offensive line stays in the middle, and Aaron rolls right, the line has to move to the right too and seal the edges. That's asking a lot from the "bug uglies."
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Passing to set up the run, then having a great average per run, does not prove great run blocking.

Just about ever team in the playoffs had a better offensive line than we did. If you can't see that, then you probably shouldn't be on the thread.

I couldn't agree more with a key point of the post however....that tired, stale, unimaginative scheme (remember "we did not try to scheme guys open") did not free up receivers. Did any of us consistently, or any level more than rarely, see receivers running wide open? Like LA, NE, N.O., et al.

The two points are highly linked as a viable run-first, or at least balanced attack, will command more 8-9 men in the box which will lead to more viable play-action, leading to wide open receivers.
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Passing to set up the run, then having a great average per run, does not prove great run blocking.

Just about ever team in the playoffs had a better offensive line than we did. If you can't see that, then you probably shouldn't be on the thread.

Originally Posted by: KRK 


You're starting the personal attacks, telling me I should get off my own thread?... okay... lets' go... You're the blind one, the thread is clearly about pass blocking... if you can't see that, then you probably shouldn't be on the thread or any other because clearly you can't fucking read!

We're passing to set up to run so it doesn't count? More bullshit excuses from you!

You just blindly blame the OL, when a play fails, without the mental understanding of why it failed... because you just want to ignore facts and reason and blindly blame the OL (and sometimes it's their fault, BUT THEY'RE NOT ALONE) even when Rodgers had plenty of fucking time to pass the ball and didn't... you blindly blame the OL no matter how good of a job they did on that given play.
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ooo someone is chaffing.

whose line in the playoffs was worse than ours
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5 years ago
Rodgers is to blame for a lot of the pressures, but I have to put most of the blame on McCarthy for not scheming anything, ever. That is key here, and I’m glad you mentioned that in your post.
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5 years ago
Independent from what has been posted in this thread, and without the benefit of analytical statistics to back me up, my 55+ years of being a football fan count as well. With no personal (or perceived) attacks intended or being contended with, I offer my opinion on GB's OL and the Passing game.

The first question to ask is, Has the GB OL been doing it's job to protect their QB Aaron Rodgers ?

The answer is not so simple as we would like to make it. The Left Tackle is maybe the best in the game at this point in time. Also, the Center and Left Guard have done very well. The level of play dropped off a bit with the Right Guard and Right Tackle positions. Bulaga has had problems with injuries and his play on the field suffered due to those injuries. In addition, the play at RG has not been that outstanding either. Furthermore, when replacements took over the RG and RT positions, the Right side of GB's O-Line suffered.

That said, GB's O-Line did do their required jobs most of the time. They allowed their QB the time to do his job. However, most know that QB protection is not expected to exceed more than a few seconds. As a result, if the QB is scrambling around, extending plays, holding onto the football, then there must be a good reason why. That reason is that his receivers are covered and they can't get themselves open.

Wide Receivers, Tight Ends, and even Running Backs depend on two assets to get open so that they become good targets for their QB. Those qualities being Speed, Agility, and/or both. IMO, the inability of GB's receivers to get open, was the #1 malady of the GB Offense. Injuries to inexperience to even poor play calling resulted in Rogers running for his life. The predictability of McCarthy's play calling also allowed opposing defenses to blitz at the worst times for GB.

With the healthy return of Allison, the gained experience of the returning WRs from their rookie seasons, and a less predictable offense should help elevate GB's passing game in 2019. Additionally, with healthy O-Linemen (and hopefully picking up a top new OT in the 2019 NFL Draft), the GB Offense should be in better shape.

One critical point however will be the TE position. Coach LaFleur's offensive system depends upon blocking TEs. Jimmy Graham, who can't block, may need to be traded. Weather through FA or with the draft, GB will need a big, strong TE that can block and o yes catch too. The reason being that the running game is expected to gain in importance in the new offensive system.

Yes, I'd like GB to draft OT, then an Edge Rusher, and then... , but if it makes more sense to grab an Edge Rusher 1st, then they should go for it. I'm basically pointing at where I believe GB has needs. FA may well help fill need at the Safety and LB positions as well.

This is going to be a really interesting and challenging offseason for the Packers. Much will need to be addressed as we move forward. I just wish all of the Packer's organization super good luck as they enter into a new era of winning GB Football.


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Rodgers is to blame for a lot of the pressures, but I have to put most of the blame on McCarthy for not scheming anything, ever. That is key here, and I’m glad you mentioned that in your post.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



Yes, I want to put blame on Rodgers for ignoring short passes early in the game, and then continue to ignore short passes later in the game, looking for the big play when it was already consistently not getting anything on the extended plays... BUT ... part of the scheme is keep extending, keep extending.... so where to draw the line of blame there between Rodgers vs scheme, because he was also following the general scheme that he has been for years of waiting for something big down field to open up and hit it....

But this year, there was a mixture of less guys getting open down field, and less Rodgers seeing them, and less Rodgers trusting his first instinct and pulling that trigger because the trust/chemistry wasn't there between the scheme, Rodgers and the new receivers.

I'm very glad some people have the mental ability to understand it's not just the OL fault.
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Dilly Dilly....Will the guy who said its "just the OL fault" please defend his position.
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That said, GB's O-Line did do their required jobs most of the time. They allowed their QB the time to do his job. However, most know that QB protection is not expected to exceed more than a few seconds. As a result, if the QB is scrambling around, extending plays, holding onto the football, then there must be a good reason why. That reason is that his receivers are covered and they can't get themselves open.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



That's all I'm saying... it's not JUST the OL fault, other parts of the offense share in the blame, and step up next year as well... and as we all agree, the scheme didn't help... as it put the WRs in iso routes and asked the OL/QB to stall a long time (putting a lot of pressure on them) until something came open down field and hit it.... well something between the scheme, QB and receivers just wasn't working even when the OL did a relatively good job in pass blocking (according to the stats).


With the healthy return of Allison, the gained experience of the returning WRs from their rookie seasons, and a less predictable offense should help elevate GB's passing game in 2019. Additionally, with healthy O-Linemen (and hopefully picking up a top new OT in the 2019 NFL Draft), the GB Offense should be in better shape.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 


In theory I got no problem with a drafting a new OT high in the draft (especially with Bulaga going into a contract year)... but the OTs talked about going in the 1st round this year have looked substandard to me compared to OTs in other 1st round years... and I'm thinking 2nd or 3rd round might be better.

Though I generally think an OG in the 1st is waste, unless you think they're a future Hall of Famer, because you can find them later in the draft at a much better value point. But some future Hall of Famers like Steve Hutchinson, probably Quenton Nelson..... and I wanted Jack Conklin (who I saw as a young Steve Hutchinson) if he fell to the Packers to be an OG... of course Titans took him in the top 10 and basically run out of double set TEs where Conklin was sorta an OG/RT tweener often having a TE on the outside of him at times and made All-Pro (I think) (that was before LaFleur got there... the star TE got a season ending injured week 1 when LaFleur was there).


One critical point however will be the TE position. Coach LaFleur's offensive system depends upon blocking TEs. Jimmy Graham, who can't block, may need to be traded. Weather through FA or with the draft, GB will need a big, strong TE that can block and o yes catch too. The reason being that the running game is expected to gain in importance in the new offensive system.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

I'm not an expect in LaFleur's system... but I think he's worked with both receiving and blocking TEs over the year. Last year he had big plans for a start receiving TE, it's just that he got a season ending injury in week 1. But with the Redskins and Falcons he's had them... and who knows, they might use Graham as a possession WR some of the time.

Though I'm interesting in seeing if they bring a TE in via FA... weather it's the jack of all trades Kendicks, run blocking king Lewis or someone different...


Yes, I'd like GB to draft OT, then an Edge Rusher, and then... , but if it makes more sense to grab an Edge Rusher 1st, then they should go for it. I'm basically pointing at where I believe GB has needs. FA may well help fill need at the Safety and LB positions as well.

Originally Posted by: Smokey 

It all depends on how the draft falls... but this draft is top heavy in defensive front guys, so I think it's very well you could see an Edge Rusher (or maybe FS Deionte Thompson) go to the Packers with their first pick.


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