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Zero2Cool
2019-02-11T16:36:18Z
Losing a best friend is extremely tough. I wouldn't wish it upon anyone. Ever.
Josh Alper wrote:

The Packers drafted guard Cole Madison in the fifth round of last year's draft, but he stepped away from the team before training camp to deal with what was described as a personal matter and did not return before the year was over. It's unclear if Madison will return in 2019. Michael Cohen of The [more]

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yooperfan
2019-02-11T20:38:33Z
I lost a nephew to suicide five years ago, nobody saw it coming.
After watching his parents and siblings struggle with his loss for years, I can imagine the struggles this young man is going through.
He needs time to deal with his own mental health before he can move on.
I wish him nothing but the best.
gbguy20
2019-02-11T21:19:13Z
Just out of curiosity did this thing happen before or after we drafted him?
Zero2Cool
2019-02-11T21:57:47Z
Originally Posted by: gbguy20 

Just out of curiosity did this thing happen before or after we drafted him?



Tyler passed way in January of 2018. I don't know if it was revealed it was suicide or not. Maybe he learned it was suicide and that was too much? I really don't now, only speculating.
Smokey
2019-02-11T22:11:21Z
Many of us lose a friend or a family member too early in our lives. I've experienced both, it still hurts. Cole Madison deserves our empathy, but his reaction demonstrates that he is not mentally tough enough to play professional football. It is a shame, but none could have predicted this situation. Although GB looks to have lost a prime draft pick/player, these things happen in life and the best we can do is just move on.

Let us turn the page, and try again. 🤷
sschind
2019-02-11T23:21:25Z
One of my best friends died in a 1 car accident but the circumstances surrounding it were very suspicious. The road he was on was one he had taken many many times when going to his favorite field herping (looking for snakes) spot but given where he started and where he said he was going it was miles out of the way. He had no business being on that road if he was really going to where he said he was going. He was Bi-polar it was investigated as a possible suicide and although it was officially ruled an accident I have always suspected it may have been a suicide. I'm sure that ruling saved me a lot of grief but I am not 100% convinced it wasn't a suicide.

The death of someone close is always hard but I think it is harder when it is a suicide. If Cole Madison is going through anything like that he deserves all the respect and consideration that anyone can give him. While it would be great for him to come to terms with it and come back to the game he apparently loved playing (if that is what he wants) it is not even something I am even going to consider as a possibility until I hear from him that he is ready.
sschind
2019-02-11T23:24:06Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Many of us lose a friend or a family member too early in our lives. I've experienced both, it still hurts. Cole Madison deserves our empathy, but his reaction demonstrates that he is not mentally tough enough to play professional football. It is a shame, but none could have predicted this situation. Although GB looks to have lost a prime draft pick/player, these things happen in life and the best we can do is just move on.

Let us turn the page, and try again. 🤷



Sorry Smokey but I'm not sure how anything in football even remotely compares to losing a close friend to the effect that you can say that his reaction demonstrates he doesn't have the mental toughness to play football.
Smokey
2019-02-11T23:50:34Z
Originally Posted by: sschind 

Sorry Smokey but I'm not sure how anything in football even remotely compares to losing a close friend to the effect that you can say that his reaction demonstrates he doesn't have the mental toughness to play football.



I lost my father, my Grandfather, and a close Aunt within a 3 month period of time. In addition, I had only just started a new job working for the Federal Government. Attending the funerals nearly cost me a long sought after career job. The stress I was under was unbelievable. I put one foot in front the other and managed it all one day at a time. In the end I was required to provide proof of my Grandfather's Death or face being fired. So don't tell me that people can't work through hard situations.

Sitting around having a pity party is no way of dealing with ones problems. Cole Madison's pity party has only hurt Cole Madison.
gbguy20
2019-02-12T00:37:35Z
You know something is wrong when Smokey and I agree on something. This happened 3 months before the draft, he could have given teams a heads up his head wasn't in it anymore instead of screwing over whatever unsuspecting team drafted him.
earthquake
2019-02-12T01:32:28Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Many of us lose a friend or a family member too early in our lives. I've experienced both, it still hurts. Cole Madison deserves our empathy, but his reaction demonstrates that he is not mentally tough enough to play professional football. It is a shame, but none could have predicted this situation. Although GB looks to have lost a prime draft pick/player, these things happen in life and the best we can do is just move on.

Let us turn the page, and try again. 🤷



Ripping a guy because he cares more about getting his life in order after his friend's suicide... All because you're angry he's not playing in a dumb game for your amusement. Yeah, that sure is mental toughness. Well done you, you really showed him.

Speaking as someone who lost two relatives to suicide in the last 4 months, you can just fuck right off.
Cheesey
2019-02-12T02:26:53Z
When I was 16 I lost my dog, my grandpa died, and my dad died all within 3 weeks.
When I was 36 I had to put my dog to sleep (cancer) my father in law died and my only brother died all within 18 days.
Everyone deals with death in their own way. If this was the first he had to deal with, it probably is harder for him.
It’s nit easy when you lose loved ones, whether family or friends.
gbguy20
2019-02-12T02:35:19Z
Originally Posted by: earthquake 

Ripping a guy because he cares more about getting his life in order after his friend's suicide... All because you're angry he's not playing in a dumb game for your amusement. Yeah, that sure is mental toughness. Well done you, you really showed him.

Speaking as someone who lost two relatives to suicide in the last 4 months, you can just fuck right off.



Edit: Deleted my post because it feels like testing fate. But Smokey is not in the wrong.
sschind
2019-02-12T03:10:32Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

I lost my father, my Grandfather, and a close Aunt within a 3 month period of time. In addition, I had only just started a new job working for the Federal Government. Attending the funerals nearly cost me a long sought after career job. The stress I was under was unbelievable. I put one foot in front the other and managed it all one day at a time. In the end I was required to provide proof of my Grandfather's Death or face being fired. So don't tell me that people can't work through hard situations.

Sitting around having a pity party is no way of dealing with ones problems. Cole Madison's pity party has only hurt Cole Madison.



Who is saying he is having a pity party. You have no clue as to what HE is going through. You know what you went through but you have no idea how it is for someone else. You didn't say if your father, grandfather or close aunt committed suicide. I'm not trying to lessen your experience but IMO suicide is much worse and depending on the circumstance it could be incalculably worse. You went through some tough times and you got through it. That is great for you and hopefully Cole Madison will too.

You are saying that if he doesn't have the mental toughness to deal with the loss of a close friend he doesn't have the mental toughness to play in the NFL. I call BS on that one. I can't think of anything that a player could go through in the NFL that would compare. If you asked any player who suffered a career ending injury (that's probably the toughest thing I can think of) if they would rather have that or losing a close friend to suicide I would bet you anything they would say to a man they would prefer the injury.

Just because someone doesn't man up and tough it out just like you did doesn't make him weak.

sschind
2019-02-12T03:17:52Z
Originally Posted by: gbguy20 

You know something is wrong when Smokey and I agree on something. This happened 3 months before the draft, he could have given teams a heads up his head wasn't in it anymore instead of screwing over whatever unsuspecting team drafted him.



Yeah, lets all jump on the guy for not thinking about something as insignificant as telling an NFL team that my head may not be in it after a close friend kills himself. Who knows, maybe he thought his head was in it. Maybe he thought playing in the NFL would be his way to honor his friend and he had every intention of playing but found out he couldn't deal with it.

You're pissed because the Packers spent a 5th round pick on him and he didn't report. Big freaking deal.
Smokey
2019-02-12T04:20:45Z
Some of you completely missed my point. Yes a 5th round draft pick no show hurts the Packers, but Depression is a certified medical condition. I suspect that Cole Madison is suffering from Depression. It causes one to close themself off from people and not deal with the reason/s for the Depression. When I said pity party, I meant it. Madison may be suffering a chemical imbalance where he is not producing enough serotonin. A Dr. and the correct prescription could help him. Often the first step, admitting a problem exist and seeing a Physicist, is the hardest part.

Well meaning family and friends don't always understand that coddling someone with Depression is the worst thing and only prolongs treatment. The death of his friend may have just been the trigger that put Cole Madison into the downward spiral that drains one of emotional control.

I did not slam this young man, rather I hope that he fares well and gets the help that he seems to need.
beast
2019-02-12T04:47:43Z
I don't give care what your life experience where, if you're kicking someone while they down and out your acting like a fucking jackass!

It's not like we're actually paying Madison, because if he doesn't play he doesn't get paid(unless the Packers choose otherwise). It's not like Madison is talking shit, making a lot of noise or getting on TMZ got doing stupid shit. He's minding his own damn business which is to say he's better than all of us right now. But he's a professional players, except he's not because he's choosing not to get paid.

It's anyone right to turn down millions of dollars and potential fame to do what they feel is best for them, that's their choice, if you don't like it, that's too bad because it's not your freaking life and not your choice.


It's great that Smokey could get through his stuff and come out clean on the other side, and that says a lot about him as a person.

That being said he's Mr. Macho comparison of himself to Cole Madison is egoist bullshit as the situations aren't even close.

Cole's teammate committed suicide with a teammate gun (potential could of been Cole's gun) did Smokey weapons take his loved ones lives? Cole was working directly with his teammates and struggled to go back to work that he did directly with his loved one, when Smokey went back to work was it at a job where he worked directly besides his loved ones, celebrating after each big play on the practice field. Also this kid was about his same age, we kinda expect we might have to bury the generations that came before us (not that it's easy) but how about someone your age at under 25 years of age at that...

And different people go through different mental shit and their battles can be harder than ares, so can we please stop talking shit about a person who is minding their own damn business after choosing to turn down a lot of money and maybe a little bit of fame. Could any of us turn down $800,000 for doing something we're physical fit enough to do? Probably not... And that's what he has done.

beast
2019-02-12T05:07:46Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Some of you completely missed my point. Yes a 5th round draft pick no show hurts the Packers, but Depression is a certified medical condition. I suspect that Cole Madison is suffering from Depression. It causes one to close themself off from people and not deal with the reason/s for the Depression. When I said pity party, I meant it. Madison may be suffering a chemical imbalance where he is not producing enough serotonin. A Dr. and the correct prescription could help him. Often the first step, admitting a problem exist and seeing a Physicist, is the hardest part.

Well meaning family and friends don't always understand that coddling someone with Depression is the worst thing and only prolongs treatment. The death of his friend may have just been the trigger that put Cole Madison into the downward spiral that drains one of emotional control.

I did not slam this young man, rather I hope that he fares well and gets the help that he seems to need.


Smokey your intentions might of meant well, but your words choices seemed to slammed him, as well as did your comparison to why he's not though enough the hard times of the NFL like you were to your hard times.

Sounds like you have the book answer for depression, but while the book helps, as those actually with depression will tell you, it's sure not the complete answer either.

Earlier you assumed mental weakness, now you assume coddling, what you fail to realize none of this could be happening and a person still has a mental problem, this isn't go pop a pill and talk tough to him and problem is fixed.

Mental illness happens to mentally strong people as well, who aren't ever coddled... making these assumptions that they're weaker or less knowledge than you is slamming the kid and his family.
Smokey
2019-02-12T06:22:16Z
Originally Posted by: beast 

Smokey your intentions might of meant well, but your words choices seemed to slammed him, as well as did your comparison to why he's not though enough the hard times of the NFL like you were to your hard times.

Sounds like you have the book answer for depression, but while the book helps, as those actually with depression will tell you, it's sure not the complete answer either.

Earlier you assumed mental weakness, now you assume coddling, what you fail to realize none of this could be happening and a person still has a mental problem, this isn't go pop a pill and talk tough to him and problem is fixed.

Mental illness happens to mentally strong people as well, who aren't ever coddled... making these assumptions that they're weaker or less knowledge than you is slamming the kid and his family.



A lot you don't know. Without revealing any confidences, I can say that I have had direct and personal experience in this area. Discussing the patient's underlying problems is where a qualified Physicist is critical. As for popping a pill to cure Depression, it can be a necessary part of treatment. Correcting any chemical imbalances is a necessary part of treatment. The patient thinks clearer when there is no chemical imbalance.

As for how his family is handling this, that is an unknown. Depression is not something that most understand. The patient falls into a slippery slide where only professional help can rescue the patient from the dark emotions that have taken control. Mentally strong/weak is not the issue, Depression can bring down either and if not treated it can ruin a life. A professional medical examination by a qualified Physicist is the proper course of action. All too often the patient is unwilling to be examined as they can believe that they are being committed and may have to be tricked into getting help.

All too often people won't admit that a loved one needs professional help. They can't accept that one of their family could be suffering from a mental illness. As a result they protect the patient instead of reaching out for the help that is ready and available.

Cole Madison may or may not have Depression, but I suspect that he does. He also may already be getting professional help. Weather he ever plays football again is secondary compared to escaping from the dark pit of Depression. I wish him all the best.
gbguy20
2019-02-12T10:23:51Z
Lots of overreaction in this thread, no one is kicking anyone when they're down.
beast
2019-02-12T14:49:50Z
Originally Posted by: gbguy20 

Lots of overreaction in this thread, no one is kicking anyone when they're down.

A number of people think otherwise! Even if he didn't mean the word choices he made, his word choices came off as kicking him while he's down... some others made similar remarks to his, without the additional seemingly put downs.

And he's certainly not the only person with a story or experience in this subject matter.

Originally Posted by: gbguy20 

You know something is wrong when Smokey and I agree on something. This happened 3 months before the draft, he could have given teams a heads up his head wasn't in it anymore instead of screwing over whatever unsuspecting team drafted him.

What's wrong is a rush to a misunderstanding of the facts... even after the draft Madison was seemingly still in as he continued to do off-season activities including OTAs...

It was sometime after the draft, when he returned to the practice fields (where he had spent so much time with his teammate ), but this time football in Green Bay. So being around a football team could potentially be a trigger that reminds him of his lost teammate.
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