4 years ago
How many times can they go back to the well with Finely and Jennings? If you want unbiased opinions how bout asking folks who don't have a vendetta against Rodgers (along with not asking any of his good bros)? Ryan Grant probably provided the most authentic look into what really goes on.
buckeyepackfan
4 years ago

So you truly believe that an OC has no say at all in who gets picked? I thought it was common knowledge that Mike was involved in picking Smith and preferred him over Rodgers. I think a lot of teams did and that you're right in saying that it shouldn't bother Rodgers that much.



So what was the solution two years ago then? Kick Mike out after a 10-6, divisional round season? Great way to set yourself up for failure. Especially with the group of coaches that was still available at that point. Maybe half a year too late. I can agree on that, hesitantly.



Pure speculation.



So what's the alternative? Letting Aaron walk? Franchise QBs don't sign 2 year deals with barely any guarantees.



I've seen Brady shout at coaches and receivers when things go wrong. This exact same bullshit we're getting now was all the talk last year, but then about Bill and Brady. Bill was fed up with Brady, Tom is angry because his quack-docter can't come to the facility anymore, Belichick would like nothing more than to get a divorce from his QB et cetera.

The difference between Brady and Rodgers? A coach who evolves and still has it.

These elite QBs will be diva's. They always have been. But let's put it like this. McCarthy got fired. The Jets took Adam Gase over him and the Browns (about 96% Packers front office) didn't even interview him.

How long do you think Bill would last if he got fired right at this point? Jerry Jones might even go as far as firing Jason Garrett for him.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



You are wrong about The Browns.
The deal breaker was The Browns wanted to keep the OC.
The guy they made HC.

Arizona offered Mike complete control, he turned them down.

Have no idea about The Jets .

McCarthy will have his pick of jobs next year.
Even his wife knew things weren't right 2 years ago.
Pretty sure his family talked him in to taking a year off

Mark Murphy has to know what was happening, if it's been going on since 2006, as the article states.
Sounds like Ted Thompson kept things rolling despite any internal problems until the last couple of years.

Mark Murphy screwed the whole organization when he decided to remove Ted and do nothing else.

Now that it didn't work out he has conveniently used Mike McCarthy as a scapegoat

Who's next if The Packers don't win?

Gutekunst? Lefleur?

Only time will give us the complete truth.
Until Murphy is removed, I don't see a bright future for The Packers.

Hope I'm wrong.
I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
Zero2Cool
4 years ago

Dunne doesn't write in Green Bay anymore, correct? Interesting it took someone no longer reliant upon access to the team. I guess that means it wasn't a leak?

Then again he apparently he got a key quote from a phone call between Aaron and Murphy.

Nagler says he can tell who some of these anonymous players are, because those players have said the same thing to him.



Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



There wasn't much new in the article. He just pieced together a lot things that have been said before into one large write up while adding some.
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gbguy20
4 years ago
I agree with Rock, this article is at best 80% a Rodgers-Smear job. The guy starts off saying the article is based on interviews with dozens of former players, coaches and personnel guys. Then he goes on to quote Jennings and Finley over and over - two of the most outspoken Rodgers critics. Did the rest of the guys quotes not fit Dunne's theme? Or did he just exaggerate to gain some credibility?
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4 years ago

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Zero2Cool
4 years ago
Should probably ignore this coward for putting his name on it!!

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4 years ago
So who benefits from publishing of the article?

Let's start with who doesn't win:
[list]
  • Mike McCarthy
  • Aaron Rodgers
  • Ted Thompson[/list] All have had their reputations sullied, their motivations and choices questioned.
  • Back to who wins:[list]
  • Tyler Dunne
  • Whoever decided to clean house[/list]
  • Boys, perhaps you pay attention to who writes the stories more than I, but other than Bob McGinn, I really couldn't tell you who wrote what. The GB press coverage has traditionally been very supportive with little accountability. With this article, Dunne's name is being thrust into the national limelight, interviews on major sports outlets....he wins....its all about the clicks.
    I am not saying he is lying, or exaggerating what his sources tell him, but I always question the motives of the discloser before buying the disclosure, whether its Tyler Dunne, Andrew Weissmann or Christopher Steele.

    Which brings me to the other winner, Whoever decided to clean house.

    Whether or not you believe facets of this article are true, it seems to me that this article sets the perfect tone for a fresh start.[list]
  • To the new staff it says: [list]
  • We have removed all pretense of loyalty to the last guy
  • We are giving you a fresh start[*]Don't get lazy[*]A shot across the bow has been fired at your star player, now its your job to keep him in line[/list][*]To 12 its says:[list][*]Mea Culpa, we get it, but[*]If you care what people think about you, buckle down and cut the BS[/list][/list]
  • I am looking forward to reading about OTA's, other player meetings, draft options, etc., and moving away from the past...NeverthelessTo be ignorant of the past is to be forever a child. - Cicero,
    In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
    Rockmolder
    4 years ago
    As a side-note... I love how much mileage PFF is getting out of this story. I think I've seen about five articles so far.

    I've read the entire article, but re-reading the last bit on PFF  makes me wonder about two things.

    Dunne explains that, when CEO Mark Murphy called quarterback Aaron Rodgers to inform Rodgers that the new coach will be Matt LaFleur, Rodgers paused briefly before speaking. Eventually, Murphy had a message for his quarterback: “Don’t be the problem. Don’t be the problem.”

    Citing the same unnamed source who shared that anecdote, Dunne reports that Murphy is “tired of the diva stuff” relating to Rodgers.



    This is such a weird situation. This source is close to Murphy according to the story, so it doesn't come from Rodgers' side. That means there's three options.

    1. There's someone sitting around who's listening in when Murphy makes calls. That person could've just as well not stayed anonymous, as this pretty much blows his cover in that case. And I'd hope that person would be without a job between now and tomorrow for being high-ranking enough to have this kind of responsibility, but running off to the media to put his own employees in a bad light.
    2. Murphy goes around telling the most literal accounts of how his conversations on the phone with Rodgers go ("he paused, I said don't be the problem"). I can't imagine this is the case, but if so, I'm with buckeye and Mark needs to be out of a job ASAP.
    3. It's BS in a way that the quote has been pulled completely out of context. Paper is always willing in this kinds of things. This could be an out of context snippet out of a pleasent conversation. I mean, even the moment of silence... I wouldn't know what to say directly when the big boss from my company called me and told me who was the new location manager.

    Lastly, I love this line.

    And here’s an important non-development regarding the 12 hours or so since Dunne’s report landed. At a time when former coach Mike McCarthy has issued a strong (but perhaps far from dispositive) denial regarding the report that he regularly missed meetings for in-office massages, the Packers have said nothing at all in response to the various claims and contentions that cast Rodgers in a not-so-favorable light.



    How on earth is this an important non-development? The Packers, as a whole, are expected to come out with some knee-jerk reaction the moment a beat-writer writes a scathing piece? I doubt I'd even engage in any of this if I where the Packers and just react when asked. There's no reason to make a statement at all.
    Zero2Cool
    4 years ago
    Based on this article and the claimed dysfunction, just imagine how awful teams like the Browns and Bills must be ran to not have success. Packers were this messed up and still in the playoffs and still reaching NFC Championship games and even won a Super Bowl?
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    Zero2Cool
    4 years ago

    As a side-note... I love how much mileage PFF is getting out of this story. I think I've seen about five articles so far.

    I've read the entire article, but re-reading the last bit on PFF  makes me wonder about two things.



    This is such a weird situation. This source is close to Murphy according to the story, so it doesn't come from Rodgers' side. That means there's three options.

    1. There's someone sitting around who's listening in when Murphy makes calls. That person could've just as well not stayed anonymous, as this pretty much blows his cover in that case. And I'd hope that person would be without a job between now and tomorrow for being high-ranking enough to have this kind of responsibility, but running off to the media to put his own employees in a bad light.
    2. Murphy goes around telling the most literal accounts of how his conversations on the phone with Rodgers go ("he paused, I said don't be the problem"). I can't imagine this is the case, but if so, I'm with buckeye and Mark needs to be out of a job ASAP.
    3. It's BS in a way that the quote has been pulled completely out of context. Paper is always willing in this kinds of things. This could be an out of context snippet out of a pleasent conversation. I mean, even the moment of silence... I wouldn't know what to say directly when the big boss from my company called me and told me who was the new location manager.

    Lastly, I love this line.



    How on earth is this an important non-development? The Packers, as a whole, are expected to come out with some knee-jerk reaction the moment a beat-writer writes a scathing piece? I doubt I'd even engage in any of this if I where the Packers and just react when asked. There's no reason to make a statement at all.

    Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



    It's actually, PFT, not PFF 😛 But, yes, any bad press on the Packers, Vikings fan Mike Florio picks it up and runs like hell with it. Then will cite his own articles often times too. Annoying, but smart tactic for "clicks" lol.

    The only way I would think someone knows what was said on that call is if they were in the room and the call was on speaker phone. Otherwise, the source would have to be Mark Murphy himself, unless Aaron Rodgers somehow spoke up?
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