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KRK  
#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2019 4:37:07 PM(UTC)
https://babylonbee.com/n...ling-the-truth-all-along

Universe begins to collapse in on itself after revelation Trump was the one telling the truth.

enjoy...pretty funny
Nonstopdrivel  
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 26, 2019 5:20:49 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:09:15 AM(UTC)
I never liked reports.
KRK  
#24 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 7:53:03 AM(UTC)
Evangelicals Relieved Their President Now Only Guilty Of Paying Off Porn Stars, Models
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U.S.—Conservative evangelicals across the country confirmed they were relieved that after the Mueller Report seemingly cleared President Trump of any Russian collusion over the weekend, they now have a president who only paid off porn stars and supermodels to cover up his marital infidelity.

Many Christians have come out against Trump. Others have stuck by the president's side through thick and thin. The latter group is now vindicated, as Robert Mueller's investigation clearly showed Trump's moral character in that he did not collude with Russia but merely paid off porn stars and models during his 2016 campaign.

"Trump did not collude with Russia, showing he is God's chosen, anointed one whose only flaw is having multiple affairs and paying the women hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep it all quiet," said Pastor Robert Jeffress in an elated sermon Sunday. "His moral character is unmatched now that we know he wasn't doing Putin's bidding."

Jeffress then asked the congregation to stand and sing the church's classic hymn "Make America Great Again," which is an actual thing that exists in our reality.

"Our chosen president is making morality great again," Liberty University president Jerry Falwell, Jr said in a special address to the student body that was called when the Mueller Report was filed. "I am really happy that our president did not collude with Russia, confirming his status as the most moral leader America has ever had. Except for all the weird, shady stuff he has done. But, you know, the economy and stuff!"
Cheesey  
#25 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:36:23 AM(UTC)
It’s sad that something like that is probably true.
If just screwing around on your wife is some how acceptable.
John Kennedy was treated like royalty, yet messed around constantly with other women, and of course we all know about Clinton. How many others did things like that, that we don’t know about?
Trump didn’t do that while in office though,(that we know of).
KRK  
#26 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:14:14 PM(UTC)
Cheeseey, you forgot about Johnson and his infidelities. You also forgot about how Johnson, JFK, Nixon, Obama and many others used the IRS to attack their political enemies. You also did not mention how JFK and LBJ spied on MLK and other citizens.
Cheesey  
#27 Posted : Wednesday, April 17, 2019 3:28:57 PM(UTC)
KRK said: Go to Quoted Post
Cheeseey, you forgot about Johnson and his infidelities. You also forgot about how Johnson, JFK, Nixon, Obama and many others used the IRS to attack their political enemies. You also did not mention how JFK and LBJ spied on MLK and other citizens.


Oh geez....if I have to list ALL of them, it would take me a week!LOL
Pack93z  
#28 Posted : Friday, April 19, 2019 9:05:13 AM(UTC)
Came in here... half cocked to throw out an opinion... typing away for a view minutes, paused, just not worth it.

Read the report.. take a couple hours to read and digest the report.. it is embarrassing that this is the state of "leadership" in this country.

There is no illusion.. if you replace Trump with Clinton, a same sort of damning document would be created. Both parties are dirty... politics in this country are just plain dirty.

But yet, in about every medium.. you will see the same thing, hard partisan stances that will ignore reason and fact just to remain partisan. Blindly.

If you raise a criticism in either direction, the very first thing that transpires is a petty label.

At some farking point... maybe we will shed the bias and look from point of reason, fact and common sense.

But for now... we will continue to spin this in both directions while the citizens of this country are painted fools for following blindly along either side.

Take the time to actually read the document... I am part of the way through it; pretty sad that this is deemed acceptable. And again... if the name was Clinton or Obama in the report in place of Trump... the roles would just be reversed. Nothing more.

That there... is the sad part.
KRK  
#29 Posted : Friday, April 19, 2019 9:31:34 AM(UTC)
Pack93z,
A nice post....well thought out.
There are just of troubling aspects to the whole mess that we should all find troubling:
  • Clearly it was known 12--18 months ago there was no collusion....but no announcement...why?
  • According the last 12-18 months were an attempt at 'gotcha'
  • It is now unassailably clear that the genesis of the investigation was a set-up...people within our government abused power to go after a political candidate.
Pack93z  
#30 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 10:03:56 AM(UTC)
KRK said: Go to Quoted Post
Pack93z,
There are just of troubling aspects to the whole mess that we should all find troubling:
  • Clearly it was known 12--18 months ago there was no collusion....but no announcement...why?


Agreed to a point. In reading and trying to understand it from a neutral stance looking for fact and reason, there is compelling actions that would give one pause that the parties were working together. I personally think the last 12 to 18 months were to try and get Manafort to flip. Apply as much pressure as they could for him to give up what transpired from his hand. And Stone/company. When it became apparent they were not going to truthfully explain the happenings, the probe went into wrap and close mode.

What we don't know is what is in the report and case on Stone. Are there more links there? Maybe.. maybe not.

What we know according to the report, Trump wanted dirt, he directed people to get it. Loosely. In the report there are several documented attempts to gather info and the team sharing info. What is known still at this point.. did they take the above directives and bend the laws and norms and act on their own to fulfill or did they directly converse with Trump and carry the attempts out.

I believe that the objective of the last 18ish months. In reading the report, I truly think Mueller was a fair player in this, trying to parse fact from happening. I happen to think the more he dug, the more conflicting information came to light and he truly tried to chase them down.

KRK said: Go to Quoted Post

  • According the last 12-18 months were an attempt at 'gotcha'


I don't see it that way... MSM certainly leveraged it as such (both sides endlessly have used this for ratings), but for Mueller's part, I cannot attest it being a gotcha attempt. Based on his wording and questions littered throughout the document.. he was trying to establish fact from happening.

I completing volume one, I come to a conclusion based on fact (in document) that one should conclude that legally speaking they did not "work" together. The parties exposed voids in our laws that allowed them play off each others actions to work towards their individual goals. Trump wanted to win. Russians to sow doubt in the process that will lead to years of chaos. Both have succeeded.

I have little doubt Manafort was working directly with Russian operatives, but what is never parsed out, why. Evidence shows he had many personal stakes in it. Did he lone wolf that or was there more direct ties to the president. He was also rather sloppy.

Again, I think that is the reason for the lack of conclusion... if they could get Manafort to play ball and expose what truly transpired or would he allow himself to be convicted. He choose the later. And the why did he remain silent and lie throughout the process. I think there was no good exit strategy for him... if he flips on Trump and mores o the Russians, what type of repercussion would be felt.

KRK said: Go to Quoted Post

  • It is now unassailable clear that the genesis of the investigation was a set-up...people within our government abused power to go after a political candidate.


I assume you are referring to the dossier. Here I concur I want to know more, in fact based evidence, about the dossier. But I don't see that as the root of the investigation, especially not in an "unassailable" manner.

2014 and 2015 the IRA start to deploy information into the social media platforms, at this point just to stir the pot. Early in 2016, March, to favor the Trump campaign. April 2016, they start hacking into the DNC, June 2016 the DNC discloses that attack. May 2016, Papadopoulos makes comments that were reported about the emails and dirt. Couple that with Carter Page joining the Trump campaign March 2016, the same Page that was interviewed in 2013 for Russian contacts. Probe starts July 2016.

All of that before the Steele dossier is obtained via Ohr.

All that said, I certainly would support a neutral look into the evidence and to publicly disclose it. Let the truth validate the above or if the Steele dossier played more of a role. Past looks into this reveal that the origin of the probe was legit, no problem with a second test of that conclusion from me.

I think it very fair to question the FISA application of Page and how the dossier played into it. But the probe itself, Trump's loose hires in Page and the "coffee boy" tied together with known efforts by the IRA and GRU are what drew the questions, then lit on fire by Trump asking for the emails and the GRU reacting as such.

I hardly think any of that indicate the origin of the probe was a setup, if anything, it was things that the campaign should have known about these players they hired into the campaign.


Sorry... trying to respond to this in between compiles and questions... probably somewhat disjointed in flow.

The Ironic part, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, which is funded by.... billionaire Paul Singer. A republican. So during the primaries... a prominent Republican was trying to find dirt on Trump. This was disclosed to the House already. Just not a repetitive talking point.. just that Fusion GPS did the contracted work and so forth with Simpson and such. Again... the whole thing is plain dirty... and probably common.

Oh, and again, I am not naive, the Dems would leverage any dirt they could as well. And I am sure they have paid for it as well.
Pack93z  
#31 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 10:05:22 AM(UTC)
And KRK... this is the type of conversation that should be held on this type of topic.. a discussion.

Appreciate that.

Good day!


BTW.. going to try and truly read volume II here over the next week or two.... got a bit left on VI.

But I will repeat.. it is eye opening to actually see that depth of scum surrounding politics as a whole in this report.

Worse yet... as a society, we allow it. Accept it. Some even embrace it... blindly or knowingly.

Will we recover from it as a nation?
KRK  
#32 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 10:48:16 AM(UTC)
Pack93z opined:
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I hardly think any of that indicate the origin of the probe was a setup, if anything, it was things that the campaign should have known about these players they hired into the campaign.

P,
I think this point is central to the discussion, and one we seem to fundamentally disagree.

Of course the was a set-up. if it had been a true counter-intelligence exercise, Trump would have been informed of potential spies, Russia influence on his staff.....just like Diane Feinstein was informed that someone on her staff may have been a Chinese spy. But nope, WE GOTTA GET TRUMP, so we aren’t telling him.

When one examines all of the publicly available evidence in conjunction with the report, it is highly likely that this was a set up. It seems, Mifsud, Halper and others, on the dole of the FBI and CIA., set up bit players, and, in conjunction with the Clinton financed Dossier, used here-say they had planted to get FISA warrants to spy. You will note how the Report does not really go into the genesis (I.E. The predicate) of the FISA warrants....because IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THE GUYS WHO, I BELIEVE, STARTED IT....Brennan, Clapper, and Mueller best buddy Comey, as well as many others including BHO.

But remember, this was supposed to be part of th PRE-ELECTION buzz. They never thought ithe details of this would ever come to light...everyone thought Clinton would win and all this would be swept under the rug.

Further, I believe it will come out that the spying took place well before the time frame being bandied about in reports.

Now that the Report has been completed, Horowitz will be able to interview those parties who had been unavailable while the report was pending (another reason Mueller sat on it)

I fully expect another special council, one who will get to the bottom of the genesis of the cabal and the leaks....Comey, Clapper, and Brennan better lawyer up.
Pack93z  
#33 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 11:32:38 AM(UTC)
Why would you inform Trump, especially when one of the prompting actions was caused by Trump publicly asking and then receiving the emails?

Couple that with the hires of Page and the loose lips of Coffee Boy. Trumps ties to Russia.. etc.

Could the question that he might be involved not a legitimate?

Even the most neutral observer would question that.. I certainly would.

I have no quarry with going after Clinton for their part in the Fusion GPS mess.. but that should also include Singer and Rubio.

But my other issue here is Barr... his appointing of a Special Counsel is an issue. Barr has played his hand out there... expecting neutrality from him based on his letter and presser is a stretch at best.

One thing I will agree with you upon... go after them all, look at everyone's actions and hold them accountable. Regardless of the Letter prefixed to their name. That includes holding this current administration accountable.

My query... who can we trust to hold anyone accountable?


KRK  
#34 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 12:07:41 PM(UTC)
Pack93 posted
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Why would you inform Trump, especially when one of the prompting actions was caused by Trump publicly asking and then receiving the emails?
Seriously? When viewed in the context of the reporing at the time (the missing/destroyed 33,000 emails) he was clearly tongue-in-cheek.

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Trumps ties to Russia.. etc.
The man does business all over the world...so what?

Regarding Hillary...Actually I can’t stand HC. she has sold out our country, lies, ad nauseam. Yet in this case, its not her problem. She was playing dirty, but politics is dirty.

Its the Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Stroyk (sp?), et al, the guys IN GOVERNMENT who used the power of the government to go after a political opponent...like Obama used the IRS.

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But my other issue here is Barr... his appointing of a Special Counsel is an issue
Why? Its his job. He is the head of law enforcement in the US. And do think Mueller and his team were neutral?!?! If so, do a little research on Andrew Weismann, and that crew. Barr didn’t have to release the report. Whats the problem?

Quote:
One thing I will agree with you upon... go after them all, look at everyone's actions and hold them accountable. Regardless of the Letter prefixed to their name. That includes holding this current administration accountable.
AMEN AND AMEN. THIS IS ABOUT THE RULE OF LAW, not about party.

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My query... who can we trust to hold anyone accountable?
Get a great constitutional lawyer and experienced prosecutor, Joe DiGenova.
Pack93z  
#35 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 12:40:07 PM(UTC)
KRK said: Go to Quoted Post
Pack93 posted Seriously? When viewed in the context of the reporing at the time (the missing/destroyed 33,000 emails) he was clearly tongue-in-cheek.


Yes, he prefixed that "tongue and cheek" moment that there was big news coming on the Clinton campaign. I use his own words/tweets/actions as a judge of this man.

No, I don't buy it. Not for a second.

But the comment on its face alone, maybe, as I cannot judge his mindset at the time. But he announced something big coming... then amazingly doesn't mention it again after the Wiki drop.

The other problem I cannot get over with Trump, the ease in which he will lie or contradict even himself publicly and openly.

I stated it before the 2016 election... there wasn't a decent choice for president. One will openly rip this country off and apart. The other would try her best to hide it while doing the same thing. Still think that way.

Haven't changed that opinion... couldn't vote for either.

I have zero faith in Trump... none. But that is like most politicians.
wpr  
#36 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 1:33:44 PM(UTC)
I have enjoyed your point/counterpoint discussion KRK and Pack93Z. What a wonderful world it would be if the rest of society followed your example.

That said I can't help but think about Formo and what he would add to the discussion so I am doing it for him.

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Zero2Cool  
#37 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 1:50:16 PM(UTC)
Boston Massacre was basically because of a snowball fight.
KRK  
#38 Posted : Monday, April 22, 2019 2:36:27 PM(UTC)
We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men’s labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatable things, called by the same name—liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatable names—liberty and tyranny....Abe
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