When should Packers draft QB successor?· Page 2

buckeyepackfan
Veteran Member

4 years ago

With the possible exception of Jones or Lock, I'm not very impressed with this years QB Draft Class. I certainly would not spend a 1st round pick to take one this year. Kizer or a replacement will have to suffice for a few more seasons. If a Jones or Lock are available for the 2nd round pick, picking one of them up for a 3rd string training project could pay off, I would still keep a sharp lookout for a Rodgers replacement by the 2020/21 NFL Drafts.

My ideal QB would be 6'3" to 6'4" tall. Trim build with superior foot speed. A rifle arm and a quick smart mind would be a requirement as well. There is also an intangible that can't found on a statistics sheet, a competitive player that does not know how to quit or football toughness.

Originally Posted by: Smokey

Tim Boyle
Height: 6′ 4″
Weight: 234 lbs
That about right?
Packers are set for the next few years at QB.
Kizer and Boyle just have to keep improving.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Porforis
Veteran Member

4 years ago

#12

I don't really pay attention to the drafts or college football so I have no idea what prospects are out there, but I'm not opposed to spending some later round picks this year. But come 2020 or 2021, definitely need to start spending some higher draft picks and I'd be okay with making a big trade for a high first round pick to nab a high end prospect. We're in a unique position where we can have someone sit behind a veteran for a few years without the pressure (barring injury) to come in and immediately perform.

KRK
Veteran Member

4 years ago

#13

Hypothetically, one could time the selection perfectly to the draft class, but then, we are drafting for need, which then we make poor choices.

Smokey stated

6'3" to 6'4" tall. Trim build with superior foot speed. A rifle arm and a quick smart mind would be a requirement as well. There is also an intangible that can't found on a statistics sheet, a competitive player that does not know how to quit or football toughness

I mostly agree, but
[list]

I want someone with a high ceiling, physically still maturing who has played well BEFORE being at his physical prime (think Kenny Clark)

I want someone at least 6'5" with a high arm release someone who can see and pass from the pocket

Someone who has won and or competed well despite his teams shortcomings

Someone with brains...ideally the smartest player on offense

Someone who can win without using his legs if necessary (think Brady or Luck)[/list]

Taking them now allows the staff to fix issues, like the issues which we hoped had been/will be fixed with Kizer.And by the way, Rodgers did NOT have a rifle arm coming out of college, that was developed.Accordingly, if Jones or Lock is there in the second round or if I can move down from 12 and pick up addition lower first round picks, I would take one of them.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

4 years ago

#14

Brett Favre. Aaron Rodgers. 6'2"

Enough said about height.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

4 years ago

#15

nope, kevin. 6'3" at minimum. mi-ni-mum.

KRK
Veteran Member

4 years ago

#16

Actually, its not enough about height.

12 is a freak. And I bet if you asked him, or Danica, 12 wouldn't mind another inch or two. 🙂

Luck and Brady are close to 6'5"

Athletes are getting bigger, esp Olinemen. I want who ever is next to have the best possible chance to see the field and get a clean release.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

Smokey
Veteran Member

4 years ago

#17

Size is indeed, IMO, an important factor in evaluating a QB.
Foot speed,yes.
Strong accurate passer,yes
Quick/smart mind,yes.
Good/great college film history,yes

Ryan Fitzpatrick :
Smart (Harvard U.)
Game skills,yes
Can lead a teams offense successfully,yes
A tough "football player", yes.
A franchise GB, no way. However most teams would be happy to hire him as their #2 QB.
Fitzpatrick has proved himself a capable journeyman "backup" QB, but he has always lacked that "it" intangible that can't be found through statistical analysis. Favre had "it", Payton Manning had "it", Brady and Rodgers have "it". "It" is what places them on a higher level above the others. Finding the"it" factor may be the most difficult part of the scouting process.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

4 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: KRK

So, 2001 NFL draft you take Sage Rosenfels instead of Drew Brees because Sage meets your close to 6'5" height requirement? Sorry, that's not smart.

You're right, the game is changing and typically speaking, taller guys are less mobile and less fleet of foot. And in the game today, defensive linemen and pass rushers are coming at all sorts of different sizes and speeds. You need a QB who won't get teed off on. So, whether the QB is tallest in his class or not, you want a QB who can think quick and react. Look at Brett Favre later in his career. He wasn't a mobile guy to begin with, but he had incredible POCKET AWARENESS. That's what you want out of your QB more than some arbitrary selected height metric. You want a QB who will inspire and lead your team, who is going to get the other 10 guys on the same page, who is going to be calm under pressure, who is going to forget about that pick he threw but not make the same mistake next time.

There is so much more to being a QB than height. When I hear people talking about height and QB's, I instantly feel they do not grasp what it takes to be a QB because they are focusing on something that is a factor yes but hardly a major one.

KRK
Veteran Member

4 years ago

#19

Z2C said

When I hear people talking about height and QB's, I instantly feel they do not grasp what it takes to be a QB because they are focusing on something that is a factor yes but hardly a major one.

Well I guess Luck and Brady will never make it.

I want an athlete who happens to be taller, not a stiff.

In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

4 years ago

#20

Well I guess Luck and Brady will never make it.

I want an athlete who happens to be taller, not a stiff.

Originally Posted by: KRK

Please, read what I said and you'll understand why this remark was off-base.

Important Information:

The PACKERSHOME uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. More Details Close

Fan Shout

dfosterf (4h) : The only problem with that is he isn't a guard either.

dfosterf (5h) : Put him at right guard. That is where he will be coached. That is where he will compete. He is not even allowed to look at the LT playbook.

dfosterf (20h) : Kidding aside, I hope the best for him.

dfosterf (20h) : Went to a Titans board. One comment there. Not very long. I quote: "LOL" They don't sound overly upset about our aquisition.

beast (20h) : OT Dillard has been absolutely horrible... like OG Newman levels

dfosterf (21h) : Suit him up and have him stand in front of the big board as a draft day cautionary tale.

Zero2Cool (22h) : Packers sign T Andre Dillard.

Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : Adds most of the information this time of year comes from agents.

Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : @RealAlexBarth Bill Belichick says accurate draft information doesn't leak from teams until about 12 hours before the draft. Adds most of th

Mucky Tundra (18-Apr) : I am very happy that for moment, Jordan Love seems like a normal human being

Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : Belichick * whatever

Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : "There's a lot of depth at Offensive Tackle and Wide Receiver." Bill Bellichick

Zero2Cool (17-Apr) : Thanks! I can't believe it's over haha

Martha Careful (16-Apr) : Congratulations

Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Boom. Student Loan. $0.00. Only took about 20 years.

Zero2Cool (14-Apr) : Packers DT Kenny Clark: New defensive coordinator Jeff Hafley will 'allow us to be way more disruptive'

Zero2Cool (12-Apr) : Saints have agreed to terms on a contract with former Packers wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brown.

beast (12-Apr) : No, but of it's for legislation, then half of the country will find it evil, not good, whatever it says....

Mucky Tundra (12-Apr) : Draft is still 2 weeks away. UGH

dhazer (11-Apr) : Does anyone know of a good AI generator to create letters of Support for legislation?

Zero2Cool (11-Apr) : Gordon "Red" Batty retires as equipment manager

Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Sounds like that's pretty certain now.

Zero2Cool (10-Apr) : Packers "at" Eagles in Brazil. Week One

dfosterf (10-Apr) : Va' Fazer As Malas Va' !

Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Mark Murphy tipping us off?

Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : “We’re either the first- or second-most popular team in Brazil.”

Zero2Cool (9-Apr) : Christian Watson got married. Wife better be careful with those hamstrings!! 😂😂

dfosterf (9-Apr) : Those poor bastards

Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Falcons have signed former Packers CB Kevin King, who has been out of football since 2021.

dfosterf (8-Apr) : Collectively, we need to spend more time in what we have, when analyzing ostendible needs and historical proclivities

dfosterf (8-Apr) : I say he is better than so many of these draft picks

dfosterf (8-Apr) : Question of the week for me: Has anyone besides me done any deep dive into the potential of Alex McGough, our 3rd string qb?

Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Or in Tunsil's case, something gets released day of draft or day before lol

Zero2Cool (8-Apr) : Seems every year someone does something pre-draft.

dfosterf (8-Apr) : Falling down drunk. The draft board

dfosterf (8-Apr) : Allright! Potential character guy/f#×k up pickup in D'Vondre Sweat!

Zero2Cool (7-Apr) : Go Badgers!!!

Martha Careful (6-Apr) : Go Boilermakers!!!

Martha Careful (5-Apr) : Diggs has not stepped up in the playoffs and has a high cost

beast (5-Apr) : Probably not going to let Diggs walk away unless he's horrible... but according to reports he also might not be as good as he used to be.

beast (5-Apr) : The 25th pick in the draft has been an offensive player since 2017, 2 TE, 2 WR, 1 RB, 1 OC

Mucky Tundra (5-Apr) : Odd, why give up a 2025 2nd Rounder for him if you're just gonna let him walk?

Zero2Cool (4-Apr) : Texans to let Diggs be free agent in '25

buckeyepackfan (4-Apr) : 49r's aign RB Patrick Taylor.

Martha Careful (4-Apr) : Reversion to the mean would indicate we will keep it

Zero2Cool (4-Apr) : It's also been utilized in a trade in 14 of the past 20 years

Zero2Cool (4-Apr) : The 25th pick in the draft hasn't been made by it's original holder since 2016.

Mucky Tundra (4-Apr) : Gotta imagine that Green Bay vs Houston will be a primetime game this upcoming season

Zero2Cool (3-Apr) : No. Kill QB. No worries. 😁

Mucky Tundra (3-Apr) : Diggs, Collins, Dell and Schultz is gonna be tough to cover

Please sign in to use Fan Shout

2023 Packers Schedule

Sunday, Sep 10 @ 3:25 PM

Bears

38 - 20

Sunday, Sep 17 @ 12:00 PM

Falcons

24 - 25

Sunday, Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM

SAINTS

18 - 17

Thursday, Sep 28 @ 7:15 PM

LIONS

20 - 34

Monday, Oct 9 @ 7:15 PM

Raiders

13 - 17

Sunday, Oct 22 @ 3:25 PM

Broncos

17 - 19

Sunday, Oct 29 @ 12:00 PM

VIKINGS

10 - 24

Sunday, Nov 5 @ 12:00 PM

RAMS

20 - 3

Sunday, Nov 12 @ 12:00 PM

Steelers

19 - 23

Sunday, Nov 19 @ 12:00 PM

CHARGERS

23 - 20

Thursday, Nov 23 @ 11:30 AM

Lions

29 - 22

Sunday, Dec 3 @ 7:20 PM

CHIEFS

27 - 19

Monday, Dec 11 @ 7:15 PM

Giants

22 - 24

Sunday, Dec 17 @ 12:00 PM

BUCCANEERS

20 - 34

Sunday, Dec 24 @ 12:00 PM

Panthers

33 - 30

Sunday, Dec 31 @ 7:20 PM

Vikings

33 - 10

Sunday, Jan 7 @ 3:25 PM

BEARS

17 - 9

Sunday, Jan 14 @ 3:30 PM

Cowboys

48 - 32

Saturday, Jan 20 @ 7:15 PM

49ers

21 - 24