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4 years ago

Mason Crosby's position with the 2019 Green Bay Packers has been anything but certain, but he should make the roster with just two weeks to go until the regular season begins. The Green Bay Packers wanted competition at kicker, and so far this summer, it looks to have brought the best out of Mason Crosby.

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Mason's cap hit is $4.8 mil which is the highest among kickers. His average is a little over $4 mil and that drops him to 8th. I wouldn't mid seeing him re-do the deal but would they really save much is he is at $3 mil for the cap hit. That would put him 13th in the league. He's better than the 13th best kicker.

On the other hand, just how much better is he than Fricken and his $495,000 league min salary? Even if he's great he won't see a $ 1mil for at least 3 years Probably 5.
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Cheesey
4 years ago
Keep “Bing”.
Ever since that one bad spurt he had, he’s been good.
The kicking game is taken for granted too often. Stay with the known guy until he’s proven he can no longer do it.
The extra money he makes, he has earned.
That’s my thought, at least.
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go.pack.go.
4 years ago
Keep him. Tired of letting good & proven veterans go because their cap hit is a little too high. I wouldn’t say his is too high though. Like Cheesey said, I feel like he’s earned it.
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sschind
4 years ago
I don't mind paying top money for a top kicker but as someone on another forum pointed out Crosby is not a top kicker. At least not over the past several years. He ranked 23 in FG % last year. In the years before that he was 29th, 10th, 16th, 23rd, 13th. One year out of the last 6 he was in the top 3rd.

In that thread I was defending Crosby pointing out that 1 missed FG a year can make a big difference in the ranking but I realized that Crosby is not elite either, and he is being paid like he is. That said I don't think you replace him simply for cap reasons. If he is clearly out kicked in camp and PS then make the switch but to make the switch to save a few million dollars when the new guy hasn't clearly out performed is a mistake.

Another interesting stat he pulled up (or out depending how you look at it) Since Crosby came into the league, as a team, the Packers ranked 30 or 31 in FG percentage.

The thing is an 80% career FG kicker was fine 10 years ago but its near the bottom now. The problem is when the new guy comes in and hits 65% you would be wishing you had the 80% guy but until it happens you just don't know. You could cut him and sign a bargain basement guy and he could do just as well or he could be crap and it could lead to a revolving door situation that costs several games all to save a few million dollars.

Honestly I could go either way on Crosby but like I said the new guy would have to outperform him and probably bey a significant amount for the cap savings to be worth the risk
Zero2Cool
4 years ago
Since 2014 on Kicks 49 yards or longer.

Mason Crosby GNB 16 made 27 attempt 59.3%


For comparison sake, here is the guy who's kicked the most 49+ yarders
Justin Tucker BAL 37 made 52 attempt 71.2%



Mason is about the 8-10th on average in salary. Justin Tucker is #1.


Seems like we're paying for what we're getting. Somehow.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/fg_finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=2014&year_max=2018&game_type=R&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&min_distance=49&max_distance=80&order_by=distance 
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/contracts/kicker/ 
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sschind
4 years ago
I'm not sure what your point is. Crosby counts 4.85 million against the cap this year. Tucker counts 4.65 and 5.1 in each of the next 3 years. I think Tucker is worth every penny. I'm not sure Crosby is.

All those guys who are ahead of Crosby signed new deals either this off season or last. Crosby signed his deal in 2016. Salaries go up so it doesn't surprise me that after 3 years he has been passed by several players.

Crosby is being paid like a top 10 kicker and he isn't kicking like one. I still don't want to see him cut simply to save cap space but I'm not opposed to seeing if there is someone better and if he is cheaper (as he likely would be) even better.

I guess it depends on how much of a gambler you are. I think chances are good that you find a better kicker but they are probably equally as good you don't so the question then becomes how much does the cap savings offset the drop in production. I'm not sure I am willing to take that gamble so my gut says stay with Crosby. It the devil you know vs the devil you don't
Cheesey
4 years ago
My hope is, that the new offense and players, hopefully we will mostly need Crosby to kick extra points!

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Zero2Cool
4 years ago

I'm not sure what your point is.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



No worries, mate. You can read the same post an unlimited amount of times until you get the point. I'll wait.

Crosby is being paid like a top 10 kicker and he isn't kicking like one. I still don't want to see him cut simply to save cap space but I'm not opposed to seeing if there is someone better and if he is cheaper (as he likely would be) even better.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



What is Mason Crosby not doing well at in regards to kicking? Kickoffs or Field Goals? Everything?

34 of 36 extra points. 94.4% (whopping 17th!) in 2018

Only two kickers made more 50+ FG's than he did in 2018

3rd in attempted FG's in 2018 (the two who kicked more than him were in the high 80's for FG made % and 4th in FG's attempted was a full 10% higher in percentage and he kicks for the Jets!)

6th in made FG's in 2018

23rd in FG Made % ... TWENTY THIRD! in 2018



In 2017 he kicked almost half as many FG's and actually had a lower FG Made %


https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cap-hit/kicker/ 

Looks like we'd have a 2019 Cap Savings: $3,600,000 if we Cut or Traded Mason Crosby.

The only thing that makes me nervous about that is the issues I see other teams having trying to find a guy who can kick the ball between the uprights. I'd rather keep Crosby under a different deal. I just don't know that is a possible thing to do.
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gbguy20
4 years ago
Kickers also talk about how hard it is to kick in lambeau as well. Who is to say Tucker, called the top kicker in the league (above) wouldn't struggle, or see his stats drop to Crosby level? idk

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4 years ago
Let's not be penny wise and pound foolish. Ask the Bares how important a reliable kicker is.

If we let him go, we will find somewhere during the season, that kickers are a lot like policemen....when you really need one, they are hard to find.
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