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2020-01-26T14:14:01Z
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Coronavirus: number infected hits 1,400 worldwide – today's developments
More than 1,370 infected in China as officials try to stem spread of virus which has reached Europe, the US and Australia. Today’s news as it happened

Full report: 50m people in China under lockdown
Spread of virus shakes faith in Chinese government

Nicola Slawson (now), Molly Blackall and Alison Rourke (earlier)

Sat 25 Jan 2020 13.16 ESTFirst published on Fri 24 Jan 2020 19.50 EST

Forty-one people in China have died from coronavirus, which originated in Wuhan, a city in Hubei province.
62-year-old doctor Liang Wudong died from the virus in Wuhan after treating patients.

More than 1,370 cases have been confirmed worldwide, the vast majority in China, and others predominantly across Asia. However, the virus reached Europe yesterday, with three confirmed cases in France, and has also been reported in Australia and the US. In total, 14 countries have been affected.

The World Health Organization has not declared a crisis, but is monitoring the situation. In China, 30 provinces, municipalities and autonomous regions have now raised their public health alert to level 1, the highest level. China announced it had ordered nationwide measures to identify and immediately isolate suspected cases of a deadly virus on trains, aeroplanes and buses. It is also building two new hospitals to deal with the crisis.

Hong Kong’s chief executive, Carrie Lam, has said the response level has been raised from “serious” to “emergency”, the highest level.
The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control issued a statement warning that more cases in the EU are likely.

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Coronavirus spread accelerating in China, says Xi Jinping
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Smokey
2020-05-06T13:58:31Z
This already 3 month old thread was most relevant. It deserves to be expanded upon. Posting personal stories, community updates, social distancing opinions, good ideas to share, and more should be aired here.

I favor continued social distancing, but too I can fully understand the economic pressure to return to a more open business norm. Do we gamble with the lives of innocent people that otherwise would not have been exposed? What do we say to the dead as they die so a restaurant/store again rings up a profit?
rabidgopher04
2020-05-06T14:05:10Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

What do we say to the dead as they die so a restaurant/store again rings up a profit?



It's wrong to juxtapose illness & possible death against profit as the choice being made in the coronavirus scenario. It is considerably more complex. Businesses provides a means to live a life for the owners and employees of those businesses.

Really you should be asking "what should we say to the dead as they die so another person can earn a wage and not starve or go homeless?"

Once you frame it properly, you begin to see the conundrum better.
Cheesey
2020-05-06T16:16:35Z
How many businesses will end up going under because of this disease? How long can they survive without any money coming in?
And as rabid said, as these businesses go under, so do the jobs of millions of people who need these jobs to keep their homes and feed their families.
And just reopening these businesses doesn’t mean people will be rushing to return to them.
“Essential” businesses have remained open. I have no idea if there have been people getting sick at these places. I was at Menards Sunday, and the place was PACKED. Plus no one was allowed in without a mask. If you didn’t have one, they sold you one for a dollar.

I don’t know anyone personally that got/have the virus. There are 46 cases in my county.
You can’t close down the nation forever.
Smokey
2020-05-06T16:33:43Z
It's all to easy to overlook the $1,200.00 government money + $500, 00 per child and the food banks that are feeding so many every day. Additionally workers are getting unemployment checks and businesses are getting loans to preserve their businesses. Also many charity organizations are at work to feed, cloth, and in some cases shelter those in great need.

If you feel that reopening restaurants can be accomplished without igniting a new wave of Covid-19 infections that could kill thousands more that might not have gotten infected, then live dangerously as you put others at risk.In the end it boils down to what is more important to you Money or People? Do you place more value in your personal goals or the welfare of your community?

Were we in a military war, few would object to placing transportation, agriculture, manufacturing, and a lot more resources toward fighting the war and would accept that making sacrifices sometimes requires all to do their part. This Global Pandemic is also a war, but it's not something many have ever experienced. The Covid-19 virus does not respect social status or race or religion or politics. It kills men, women, and children. Those with preexisting medical conditions are at a greater risk of death should they contract this virus. While science is working 24/7 on a cure/vaccination, as yet there is still no certified solution. Until there is, doing all we can to limit the spread is our only best weapon.

I understand that for many their food/shelter/transportation and more has depended upon making a salary/paycheck. Most states have passed laws to prevent eviction/foreclosure during this Pandemic crisis. Allowing pride to stand between receiving food stamp relief and feeding a family should not occur.

This serious medical crisis will someday end and people will again be free to live their lives as before. Until that time, we are all fighting in a different kind of a war. Marching to a different drum at this time can result in the deaths of our neighbors, friends, and family. Slow reopening of businesses should be carefully reviewed and strictly monitored before others slowly follow.

None of us like sacrificing a little time now to prevent Covid-19 spread, yet it can/will be better than having to extend into 2021 because controls were relaxed to early and fostered an even worse 2nd wave of virus than we have already endured.

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Cheesey
2020-05-06T21:04:23Z
A one time $1200 and $500 per kid won’t keep the wolves from the door for more then a month for most people.
Plus, the business loans, unemployment and so on, where does all this money come from? Who is going to pay the due bill at the end?
At some point, virus or not, you have to try to get things as back to normal as possible. It’s not going to be shut down until a drug that can stop it is developed.
Just my opinion of course.
rabidgopher04
2020-05-06T22:52:14Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

A one time $1200 and $500 per kid won’t keep the wolves from the door for more then a month for most people.
Plus, the business loans, unemployment and so on, where does all this money come from? Who is going to pay the due bill at the end?
At some point, virus or not, you have to try to get things as back to normal as possible. It’s not going to be shut down until a drug that can stop it is developed.
Just my opinion of course.



The government is just going to take out another $3,000,000,000,000 in loans to pay for it. The sensible solution. 🤣
Cheesey
2020-05-06T23:13:13Z
Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04 

The government is just going to take out another $3,000,000,000,000 in loans to pay for it. The sensible solution. 🤣



And where do these “loans” come from?
China would be my guess.🤪😂☠️
Smokey
2020-05-07T00:43:29Z
All want to see our states begin recovering from the Pandemic. The question is weather it is safe to do so?
Simply throwing open the barn doors for all would be like throwing gasoline on the embers of a fire that cost a great deal to fight the first time. A second unwanted virus wave could be far worse. Patience and vigilance are not as easy as being selfish and without regard for the greater good of all. Running up a national debt has become a norm rather than a sometime occurrence. Such debt would not get my support under normal circumstances, but this is not a normal circumstance. Turning a Global Pandemic into a political squabble as people are dying and scores of others are suffering and sacrificing is both ugly and uncaring.
Congress has already been discussing another bailout like the last one that approved the $1,200.00 bailout payments. They all know that such payments can't be repeated month after month, but they can't just watch as America's economy crashes either. A good many Senators and Representatives are counting on the virus diminishing as the weather gets warmer and/or a cure is certified. I too hope this all ends and for people to be able to safely return to their former situations. It takes discipline to sacrifice as family needs go unaddressed, but strength to keep in mind the larger war being fought.
Cheesey
2020-05-07T03:05:59Z
I agree smokey. There has to be precautions taken.
But they can’t keep everything closed down without it also destroying lives. I’m not saying to just “open the barn doors”. Just to figure out how to deal better with this new normal. Because it’s not going away completely, ever.
Every day I read online families that are terrified on how they are going to survive much longer without their income.
It’s almost 2 months now. How much longer will the country be able to survive without any weekly income for families?
I and my wife are doing ok. But there are many that are at their wits end.
I hope this all will be under some kind of control soon.
Smokey
2020-05-07T12:32:49Z
IMO, help for those in dire need should available, but they have to seek it out. They have to go to their local social services, church, food bank, or other to request that help. There is a point where hunger or electricity or freshwater needs outweigh one's pride. I don't want to see/hear of any suffering due to unemployment, but perhaps some will for the first time get a taste of what too many were experiencing even before this medical crisis. They will for the first time, even if temporary, walk that mile in another persons shoes. It never hurts to learn about how some others have been living for years.

Now, many are like horses pulling at the bit to open everything as before this pandemic. That could be disastrous where "Hot Spots" infection are the worst. Careful, graduale opening of selected businesses may be possible with strict rules and vigilant monitoring. However opening up the local "Dew Drop Inn" simply because people are thirsty and want to play pool is not considering the expodental effect if Covid-19 gets spread from the saloon to the community. Someone's Mother or Grandfather or Sister unrelated to the Bar may get infected because some thought more of their personal wants, but in the end may just cause the death of someone they never knew.

My own father grew up during the great depression of the 1930's and as a result it affected him for the remainder of his life. He was very tight with money, grew a garden as a guard against depending on others to supply his family's food, and repaired everything until he was forced to replace it. That said, I wonder what lessens will America learn from this Coronavirus tragedy?
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2020-05-07T13:06:30Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

My own father grew up during the great depression of the 1930's and as a result it affected him for the remainder of his life. He was very tight with money, grew a garden as a guard against depending on others to supply his family's food, and repaired everything until he was forced to replace it. That said, I wonder what lessens will America learn from this Coronavirus tragedy?

Alas....it takes a economic hardship and authoritarian government to experience a great awakening. Perhaps we will learn to question everything....I hope we have learned:
  • Experts are obsessed with being right, not doing the right thing. They hate being questioned. Don't listen to them without questioning their data, assumptions, and agenda
  • Socialism bring about more death than snowflakes would have imagined
  • Our media is corrupt
  • Many in our government are corrupt
  • The government can't and won't take care of you.
  • Live below your means
  • Cash is king.
  • Humility
  • that trust has to be earned not just granted
  • Every job is essential...especially to the person doing it
  • To begin to deal with the fact that we are all going to die at some point
  • Starbucks really isn't that important
  • You can't just click an icon on your phone and make something happen....someone at the other end has to make it first
  • Communist China is our mortal enemy
  • It would probably be a good thing if that we don't have our mortal enemy make 90% of our pharmaceuticals, PPE and other essential products
  • Family is priceless
  • If it weren't for the Second Amendment, we would all be slaves
  • The best intentioned people make mistakes
  • Judge peoples decisions on the facts they had available to them when they made those decisions (applies to sports as well)
  • Packershome is a blessing


Smokey
2020-05-08T12:16:02Z
Experts, as long as they are not political lackeys, place their years of study and deserved status on the line when they publicly address an issue. In some cases, they place their carrier and reputation on the line to present what is not always the "popular" view.

Is the "snowflakes" reference a racial slur? It's not just a one way street you know.

I agree that America has placed too much trust in other countries to supply goods and services. This can place us behind the 8 ball in an emergency like we are seeing now. Too much of the manufacture of potential life/death items must be imported from foreign nations. Nations that are some of our rival/enemies have the control of these critical supplies/machines. I'd like to see a national bipartisan commission to identify critical medical/military items and mandate that if America does not already make it here, that selected businesses can quickly switch over to at home production. Otherwise in a war or other unforeseen crisis we could be placed in the bad position of our enemies cutting off such critical supplies. We can't depend on medicines made in India or gunpowder from South America or China for our electronics. We must have a greater ability to independently make it in the USA.

Many in the media have their own bias and try to slant the news to fit their spin on things. However this is not 100% true for all media. Common sense must come into play as what is/is not the truth is evaluated. A video of a statement/event/or other must stand as hard evidence that can't be denied to suit a political or personal need after the fact.

Last, can we allow others to place innocent citizens at risk because they "need" to go to the beach or party with 40 or 50 mostly unknown strangers. As Covid-19 continues to spread, do we relax our vigilance as the weather warms up or because we are tired of staying at home. What businesses are safe to reopen, and what precautions need to be in place? What businesses are too dangerous to reopen until a cure/vaccine is certified? These and other similar questions will require careful consideration as we move forward.

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2020-05-08T15:32:46Z
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Experts, as long as they are not political lackeys, place their years of study and deserved status on the line when they publicly address an issue. In some cases, they place their career and reputation on the line to present what is not always the "popular" view.

And in some cases, they have an agenda. Question everything.
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Is the "snowflakes" reference a racial slur? It's not just a one way street you know.

No...it refers to those in our society, including many millennials, who are too convinced of their own status as special and unique people to be able (or bothered) to handle the normal trials and travails of regular adult life. The idea behind the term is that they are told they are special way to often, just like a snowflake is unique. But they seem to be as fragile as a snowflake if you challenge their opinions or when they encounter stress.
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

I agree that America has placed too much trust in other countries to supply goods and services. This can place us behind the 8 ball in an emergency like we are seeing now. Too much of the manufacture of potential life/death items must be imported from foreign nations. Nations that are some of our rival/enemies have the control of these critical supplies/machines. I'd like to see a national bipartisan commission to identify critical medical/military items and mandate that if America does not already make it here, that selected businesses can quickly switch over to at home production. Otherwise in a war or other unforeseen crisis we could be placed in the bad position of our enemies cutting off such critical supplies. We can't depend on medicines made in India or gunpowder from South America or China for our electronics. We must have a greater ability to independently make it in the USA.

AMEN. I would like to see tax incentives for the people who make these items, or would invest in those companies...not grants, but tax incentive so that the private sector deploys capital.
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Many in the media have their own bias and try to slant the news to fit their spin on things. However this is not 100% true for all media. Common sense must come into play as what is/is not the truth is evaluated. A video of a statement/event/or other must stand as hard evidence that can't be denied to suit a political or personal need after the fact.

Video evidence is the best....totally agree.
Originally Posted by: Smokey 

Last, can we allow others to place innocent citizens at risk because they "need" to go to the beach or party with 40 or 50 mostly unknown strangers. As Covid-19 continues to spread, do we relax our vigilance as the weather warms up or because we are tired of staying at home. What businesses are safe to reopen, and what precautions need to be in place? What businesses are too dangerous to reopen until a cure/vaccine is certified? These and other similar questions will require careful consideration as we move forward.

Actually, some of the questions may never have answers. And there are other questions that need to be addressed:
  • why do we continue to ignore the science.
  • lockdowns do not prevent the spread of the virus the simply slow it down. Just yesterday, NY announced that over 60% of the new cases were people in lockdown.
  • a health person under the age of 60 has less that a .5% chance of dying from this virus....why should they be locked down?
  • A vaccine may never come....and most flu vaccines are less than 70% effective
  • We have to remember, the intent of the lockdown was not to prevent the spread, it was to prevent our health care system from being overwhelmed.
  • if we don't open up...safely with distancing and masks, etc....there wont be a health care system...they are going broke
  • By the way, the beach may be the safest place on the planet to be. The half life of the virus is 1.5 minutes in the sun, heat, and humidity compared to 18 hours indoors. Going to the beach and being safe or not mutually exclusive.
  • Who are we to tell healthy, low risk people (or anyone else for that matter) to abandon their freedoms and not support their families...Our healthcare concerns do not preempt their constitutional rights.
  • Cancer patients, heart patients and others are dying from the lack of treatment. Our collective cure many be worse than the disease.
  • Herd immunity is the only real answer. Shelter the at risk, and open it up. Return To Normalcy may be the key to overcoming Covid-19 
  • The government cannot continue to print money and go into further debt. That is the most selfish thing our generation can do the next generations.
  • Cheesey
    2020-05-08T15:33:31Z
    “Snowflakes” has nothing to do with race.
    Well....KRK answered everything quite well.
    I am in the “high risk” category. I’m over 60, have heart disease, diabetes and asthma. When I go to the store, I wear a mask. I go for long walks.
    I have always kept active since my open heart surgery 11 years ago. I think that has helped me remain strong. A lot of us “older” people don’t exercise much, and it makes them more likely to get sick.
    I’ve seen more people walking around my neighborhood the last 2 months then I’ve seen in the last 5 years.
    Smokey
    2020-05-08T19:02:56Z
    "A vaccine may never come....and most flu vaccines are less than 70% effective
    We have to remember, the intent of the lockdown was not to prevent the spread, it was to prevent our health care system from being overwhelmed.
    if we don't open up...safely with distancing and masks, etc....there wont be a health care system...they are going broke
    By the way, the beach may be the safest place on the planet to be. The half life of the virus is 1.5 minutes in the sun, heat, and humidity compared to 18 hours indoors. Going to the beach and being safe or not mutually exclusive.
    Who are we to tell healthy, low risk people (or anyone else for that matter) to abandon their freedoms and not support their families...Our healthcare concerns do not preempt their constitutional rights.
    Herd immunity is the only real answer. Shelter the at risk, and open it up. Return To Normalcy may be the key to overcoming Covid-19 "



    KRK, have you put in the study and dedication to earn a degree in Science or Medicine? Saying,
    "the intent of the lockdown was not to prevent the spread, it was to prevent our health care system from being overwhelmed.", is crap. Your President and the State Governors would never consider shutting down their economies, placing people out of work, home schooling their youth, and canceling major annual events without solid reason. This is not a normal circumstance and it has caused Governors to invoke emergency conditions that are not lightly considered. They know that in the absence of a cure or vaccine, the best way to fight the spread Covid-19 at this time is limit it's spread. As for those you stated that were infected in spite of Social distancing, I say they must have been infected outside of their home or through someone else that transferred it. They could not have been 100% isolated.

    In the future, a vaccine or other medical may put this viral killer to rest. My crystal ball has yet to magically show me any future miracles. If you or others wish to place yourself at greater risk, I don't care. What I do care about is those "exercising their constitutional freedoms" infecting the innocent around you.

    Our Federal, State, and local governments are truly aware of the hardships that out of work family supporters and all the rest are facing at this trying time. It's why government assistance, food banks, and scores of others have rallied to feed, house, and otherwise render assistance as best they can. We can't expect that during this pandemic that many are going to less well off than others. This is not a war in the traditional sense, but a war it is. Shame on those that selfishly put others in unwarranted danger because they are tired of staying at home.
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    2020-05-08T20:01:44Z
    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    KRK, have you put in the study and dedication to earn a degree in Science or Medicine? Saying, "the intent of the lockdown was not to prevent the spread, it was to prevent our health care system from being overwhelmed.", is crap.

    No, but I have a fully functional brain and have listened and read numerous studies from Dr. on both sides of the debate. Did you listen to Dr Fauci at any of the briefings? 'Not overwhelming the system' was clearly the major reason for the shutdown. Did you think it was just going to go away?

    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    Your President and the State Governors would never consider shutting down their economies, placing people out of work, home schooling their youth, and canceling major annual events without solid reason. This is not a normal circumstance and it has caused Governors to invoke emergency conditions that are not lightly considered.

    For some yes...for some they crave the power and are just not following the science. Whitmer in Michigan is a perfect example...she is a power hungry buffoon. Most of the state does not need to be shut down. You can buy dope, get an abortion, or go buy a lotto ticket but can't go to church, but seeds, get cancer treatment or go fishing. Hardly 'solid reasoning'
    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    They know that in the absence of a cure or vaccine, the best way to fight the spread Covid-19 at this time is limit it's spread.

    False. The long term solution is herd immunity. Isolate the 'high-risk' and let the low risk patients get back to work with reasonable precautions.
    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    As for those you stated that were infected in spite of Social distancing, I say they must have been infected outside of their home or through someone else that transferred it. They could not have been 100% isolated.

    How do you know they didn't isolate? Were you in New York? Did you see them? The point is you can't 100% isolate. Do you think maybe the virus may have been on deliveries?
    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    In the future, a vaccine or other medical may put this viral killer to rest. My crystal ball has yet to magically show me any future miracles. If you or others wish to place yourself at greater risk, I don't care. What I do care about is those "exercising their constitutional freedoms" infecting the innocent around you.

    I hope for cures both prophetically and vaccines. But yes....our health concerns should have a lower priority to other peoples' constitutional rights. If we want to isolate, that is our choice.
    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    Our Federal, State, and local governments are truly aware of the hardships that out of work family supporters and all the rest are facing at this trying time. It's why government assistance, food banks, and scores of others have rallied to feed, house, and otherwise render assistance as best they can. We can't expect that during this pandemic that many are going to less well off than others. This is not a war in the traditional sense, but a war it is.

    Yes it is....and in any war, there are difference of opinion on how to fight, or whether to surrender.
    Originally Posted by: Smokey 

    Shame on those that selfishly put others in unwarranted danger

    Agreed.
    And shame on those who want to tell other people how to live their lives. Shame on those who have fixed guaranteed incomes who engage in moral narcissism and preach to people who have to work to support their families to stay home, even though those people have only a .5% of dying from the virus...if they even contract it.
    Cheesey
    2020-05-08T20:33:23Z
    Thank you KRK for your well thought out posts. You always have valid points and word them well.

    Hopefully we can all get back to some kind of “normal” soon.
    In history there have been many diseases that were devastating, yet God hasn’t allowed mankind to be completely killed off. We will get through this one as well.
    Zero2Cool
    2020-05-08T20:43:54Z
    Originally Posted by: KRK 

    If we want to isolate, that is our choice.



    Unfortunately, for some of us, it's a choice between continuing our income vs isolating. Not all employers are willing to let you work from home. My current employer (leaving for new job next week) is telling people they have to return to work in phases. And the amount of hoops and inconveniences that are presented is astonishing. I can understand having those who cannot work from home as efficiently as in the office -- definitely. There are many who have an adequate if not better situation at home than at work and get more done. I'm one of the fortunate few who has a profession that many work remote.

    When it comes to this COVID-19 stuff, I really do not know what to believe or trust. I personally couldn't care less if I get it, but then that means I could be a carry for my family and friends. That is where my worry is at. I have a young daughter who has respiratory issues and rather than put her in day care, I chose to stay at home and have her with me. It was probably a good decision too because last week we found out a parent of a child at the day care tested positive for COVID-19.

    I just wish they'd find some way to have a cure for this quick. I don't care if it's jumping jacks while saying the bears don't really suck after all. Okay, actually, I would rather COVID-19 than say that outloud.
    Cheesey
    2020-05-08T21:24:53Z
    That’s one of the problems. Trying to find a cure fast.
    They have to jump through hoops. All the testing to make sure the cure doesn’t have adverse effects.
    By the time they get through with the trials, many more people will have died.
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    2020-05-08T21:34:06Z
    Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

    Unfortunately, for some of us, it's a choice between continuing our income vs isolating. Not all employers are willing to let you work from home. My current employer (leaving for new job next week) is telling people they have to return to work in phases. And the amount of hoops and inconveniences that are presented is astonishing.

    Congrats on the new gig. My point in is that for those people who need to work, it would be cruel to force them not to work. Regrettably, as you point out, many can't work from home. The office building I go to is a ghost town, so I am safer there than in my condo building.

    Many employers are worried about liability, so they make people jump through hoops.

    Half-Whitmer just released their so-called reopening plan....a joke. Guaranteed depression for Michigan unless there is an uprising.

    There is a concerted effort to discredit HCQ as Orange Man promoted it. For the Dr.'s i talk to, if you take it early with zinc, and or Z-pack, it really seems to help. If you wait too long, its like Tamiflu for the regular flu....it doesn't work.

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    Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : @TomPelissero #Packers C Corey Linsley left Sunday’s win after spraining the thumb on his snapping hand, source said. Should be OK moving forward, but one more thing for Aaron Rodgers’ banged-up line
    Zero2Cool (21-Sep) : I'm pulling for the 16 and blank!
    Smokey (21-Sep) : LOL
    Smokey (21-Sep) : X3 ! A triple Wow !
    beast (21-Sep) : I was coming to post, can you go 16-0 in pick'em this week! So many got so many right this week, but still 16-0? Wow
    beast (21-Sep) : I was coming.to.post, can you go 16-0 in pick'em this week! So many got so many right this week, but still 16-0? Wow
    beast (21-Sep) : I was coming.to.post, can you go 16-0 in pick'em this week! So many got so many right this week, but still 16-0? Wow
    Smokey (21-Sep) : 15-0 looking for 16 in pick'em.
    TheKanataThrilla (21-Sep) : Was so hoping the Seahawks would lose. Gotta have a pass option there.
    Mucky Tundra (21-Sep) : Wild finish here
    TheKanataThrilla (21-Sep) : I just discovered I liked the Cam Patriots more than the Brady Patriots. Still hate the Seahawks.
    TheKanataThrilla (20-Sep) : Amazing final KC/Chargers
    TheKanataThrilla (20-Sep) : Diggs is lighting it up in Buffalo. They are a well balanced team.
    TheKanataThrilla (20-Sep) : I agree Zero to temper my expectations. Herbert wasn't supposed to play today. He is taking it to the Champs which is pretty impressive.
    Zero2Cool (20-Sep) : Stefon Diggs had more receiving yards than the Vikings' whole team today
    Zero2Cool (20-Sep) : People said Sam Darnold was the real deal too. Now they saying he's bust. Moral? People need to give three seasons before stating such things. 😂
    Zero2Cool (20-Sep) : People said Sam Darnold was the real deal too. Now they saying he's bust. Moral? People need to give three seasons before stating such things. 😂
    TheKanataThrilla (20-Sep) : OT Chargers/Chiefs great game. Herbert is the real deal
    Zero2Cool (20-Sep) : @AndySlater Sad news to report. Patriots' RB James White's father was in a car crash today and did not survive. His mother was also in the car and is in critical condition. White's father, Tyrone, wa
    TheKanataThrilla (20-Sep) : Lots of Lions fans up here in Canada. Feel so sorry for them.
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