Discussion Board
Zero2Cool
2020-11-23T02:08:29Z
ESPN wrote:

The Packers had their chance to show they could handle a top defense. Instead they proved once again that a fast, aggressive defense is their stopper.

Continue Reading @ ESPN 







Not a good question.
UserPostedImage
Mucky Tundra
2020-11-23T02:20:38Z
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Not a good question.



And lots of people rightly calling it out on Twitter atm

Edit: Not the same as MLF telling him to shut up but its something
“Nah. I like having the island. It’s pretty cool...not too many visitors”
UserPostedImage
"I’ve got it." -Aaron Rodgers
Zero2Cool
2020-11-23T02:32:54Z
nerdmann
2020-11-23T03:18:29Z
How many turnovers today? 7? 5? And we still took this team to OT at their house.

Absolutely this is a good team. They just need to pull their heads out of their asses.

Maybe make adjustments at halftime.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Cheesey
2020-11-23T04:36:13Z
Their were enough screw ups to go around.
Multiple fumbles killed any chance of getting a win.
The one by MVS stands out more because of when it happened.
Without the plays he DID make, we never would have got to over time.
UserPostedImage
earthquake
2020-11-23T04:55:32Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Their were enough screw ups to go around.
Multiple fumbles killed any chance of getting a win.
The one by MVS stands out more because of when it happened.
Without the plays he DID make, we never would have got to over time.



Yep, and had Rodgers lead him on that throw, MVS probably scores the game-winning TD. It was a little underthrown and he did a good job coming back and finding it in triple coverage. That's a difficult throw out of the end zone though. Without that play, it's much less likely it goes to OT. I feel some would be happier with MVS if he drops that pass and the game ends at 31-28.

Terrible timing on the fumble of course, but with 257 yards and 3TDs over the last three weeks, it's hard to say MVS is a major problem for the team. An inconsistent player, for sure. But that's as far as I would go. MVS had a really good play, followed by a really bad play. It happens.
blank
Smokey
2020-11-23T05:33:48Z
In my opinion, GB needs to get better with:

(1) Ball Security
(2) Wrap Up Tackling
(3) Better QB/Receiver coordination on timing pass plays.

Additionally, I'm still not satisficed with the D-Line/ILB run stopping. It may be too late this season to make changes at those positions, but were I GB's GM I'd be scouting College defensive linemen and inside linebackers.

MVS must feel bad over his fumble and the result of the loss to the Colts, but these things happen and full blame for the loss should not fall upon him alone. The entire GB defense allowed the Colts to score too many points.

The Packers will be division champions, but IMO they are not SB contenders this season. This puzzle is still missing a few pieces yet.

GO PACK GO !

UserPostedImage
Cheesey
2020-11-24T03:55:13Z
Let’s remember, just a week earlier, Adams had a fumble too.
Like has been stated before, had we not had MVS on the field, we never would have gone to overtime.

Was I mad he fumbled? Heck yes.
But all the plays he has made for us, I’m sure he feels awful about costing the team a chance at a win.

Remember how many times Brett Favre threw INTs? Yet he also threw exciting TDS.
I guess you have to take the good with the bad.
UserPostedImage
dyeah_gb
2020-11-24T04:05:25Z
If you look back in the archives you will see many of us criticize Adam's, Jones and other wide receivers for mistakes in their early years. Maybe we will get lucky and look back at this game in the same way. I like the leadership from MLF and 12 in standing up for him.

Still, it was not fun to see the game pissed away. For some reason it brings back memories of a game against the Giants when Ahman Green fumbled.
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool - R. Feynman
Cheesey
2020-11-24T04:24:24Z
The whole third quarter and almost all of the forth quarter is what cost us the game,
The offense inability to gain even a first down during that whole time is what cost us the game. Not the MVS fumble.
It never should’ve come to that point.
They played so good in the first half, only to disappear in the whole second half of the game.
Almost at the end of regulation, they wasted a down spiking the ball, when they could have taken a shot at the end zone.
UserPostedImage
beast
2020-11-24T05:35:24Z
Originally Posted by: earthquake 

Yep, and had Rodgers lead him on that throw, MVS probably scores the game-winning TD. It was a little underthrown and he did a good job coming back and finding it in triple coverage. That's a difficult throw out of the end zone though. Without that play, it's much less likely it goes to OT. I feel some would be happier with MVS if he drops that pass and the game ends at 31-28.

Terrible timing on the fumble of course, but with 257 yards and 3TDs over the last three weeks, it's hard to say MVS is a major problem for the team. An inconsistent player, for sure. But that's as far as I would go. MVS had a really good play, followed by a really bad play. It happens.



I know Rodgers is one of the best to every play the game... but he rarely if ever hits MVS in stride down the field.

I really feel like he's not used to it, or he's okay with settling for just a good deep throw, instead of a great deep throw (which is good for most QBs, but he has greatness in him). There have been a good number of throws, where if Rodgers his MVS in stride (assuming MVS catches it), it's a foot race to the end zone. But he's had to wait on a heck of a lot of passes. Where Rodgers pridefully nailed Adams and Lazard.
UserPostedImage
Smokey
2020-11-24T06:06:55Z
It is very easy place blame on a player or a coach, but we all know they are not the entire story by far. Defensive players can play their guts out for a win, but can still loose to better opposing players.

If one takes the time to look, the All-Time best NFL Defenses had great personnel. The "Steel Curtin" of the Steelers, Dallas's "Doomsday" Defense, the "85" Bears, the Rams "Fearsome Foursome", and others were filled with players that found their way to Canton, Ohio. GB needs to get better defensive players if they are to be true SB contenders. It is and always will be true that:

Offense wins games, but Defense wins Championships.

UserPostedImage
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
2020-11-24T08:32:50Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

The offense inability to gain even a first down during that whole time is what cost us the game. Not the MVS fumble.

I just want to make sure I got this straight....despite the turnovers, and the fact that the offense scored 35 points against the top rated defense....ts our offense's fault?!?!?!?

It is within the rules and some teams find it to be a great strategy, that the defense plays aggressively and actually forces "3 and outs", as our defense did in the first half...(sarcasm font)

If you want to get off the field... STOP THEM!!!

What Frank Reich and the Colts, and likely the rest of the league, woke up to is that we can't stop the run. In the 3rd quarter, they ran the ball on 9 consecutive plays!!! To illustrate, the play selection
- RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN

To add further injury to insult...literally, IIRC a couple of their O line got dinged up and they were playing with back-ups.

The offense can't do a helluvalot about 10 play and 12 play drives

Let's take a step back, have a little more perspective, and recognize the biggest problem.
In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
sschind
2020-11-26T21:13:33Z
Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

How many turnovers today? 7? 5? And we still took this team to OT at their house.

Absolutely this is a good team. They just need to pull their heads out of their asses.

Maybe make adjustments at halftime.



Gone for a year and the first post I see from Nerd is telling them to pull their heads out of their asses.

Its like I never left. 😁
Cheesey
2020-11-26T22:11:00Z
Originally Posted by: KRK 

I just want to make sure I got this straight....despite the turnovers, and the fact that the offense scored 35 points against the top rated defense....ts our offense's fault?!?!?!?

It is within the rules and some teams find it to be a great strategy, that the defense plays aggressively and actually forces "3 and outs", as our defense did in the first half...(sarcasm font)

If you want to get off the field... STOP THEM!!!

What Frank Reich and the Colts, and likely the rest of the league, woke up to is that we can't stop the run. In the 3rd quarter, they ran the ball on 9 consecutive plays!!! To illustrate, the play selection
- RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN
-RUN

To add further injury to insult...literally, IIRC a couple of their O line got dinged up and they were playing with back-ups.

The offense can't do a helluvalot about 10 play and 12 play drives

Let's take a step back, have a little more perspective, and recognize the biggest problem.



Uh.....our offense didn’t score 35 points. 31
And only 3 of those points were in the second half.
I’m not blaming the loss on the offense, just stating the fact that they did nothing in the second half to help our lousy defense.
They KNOW our D sucks, and we’re on the field almost the entire second half.
We all know it’s up to our offense to win games. If they have to depend on our defense, most likely it will end up as a loss. (Unless they are playing against a real lousy team).
Yes, the offense isn’t at fault for the D allowing long drives. But when they DO get the ball, 3 and outs will be a disaster for this team.
They had chances to do something, and did nothing till the last drive of regulation.
They have to carry the load.....unfortunately.
UserPostedImage
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
2020-11-26T22:39:39Z
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

They KNOW our D sucks, and we’re on the field almost the entire second half.
We all know it’s up to our offense to win games. If they have to depend on our defense, most likely it will end up as a loss.

This is precisely the point. The defense sucks.

it is not a reasonable expectation for the offense to score every time, or almost every time they have the ball.

If the defense wants to get off the field, they can stop them just like the other team stops us.


In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
nerdmann
2020-11-27T00:03:14Z
Originally Posted by: KRK 

This is precisely the point. The defense sucks.

it is not a reasonable expectation for the offense to score every time, or almost every time they have the ball.

If the defense wants to get off the field, they can stop them just like the other team stops us.



D had 2 turnovers, didn't they? Iirc.

D doesn’t suck, imo. They're just mediocre against the run. Far as I'm concerned they haven't cost us a game yet. Not to jinx, of course.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
2020-11-27T12:52:16Z
Nerd noted
Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

They're just mediocre against the run.



That's like saying The French are mediocre against invading Germans


In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Smokey
2020-11-27T15:57:10Z
Returning to this threads original subject, I'm confident that ball security was a high priority in practice this week. With the Bears coming to Lambeau, ball security is a must.

Cold will most likely play a role in this game, gloves should be standard equipment for this battle.
UserPostedImage
nerdmann
2020-11-27T17:54:49Z
Originally Posted by: KRK 

Nerd noted

That's like saying The French are mediocre against invading Germans



D held the Colts to less than 4 yards per rush. They held up in those last two drives as well, one of which was Shephard's fumble on the kickoff.

83 fumbled in FG territory. D can't control that.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
KRK
  • KRK
  • Veteran Member
2020-11-27T19:37:30Z
Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

83 fumbled in FG territory. D can't control that.

Undoubtedly, the final nail in the coffin.

But when they had to stop the run in the 3Q, they couldn't/didn't.


In Luce tua Videmus Lucem KRK
Users browsing this topic
Fan Shout
Mucky Tundra (4h) : Cheesey, you're slurping that green kool aid down! you can't see the faults in this team like i can!
Cheesey (5h) : Beetle Juice! Beetle Juice! Beetle Jui......🤪
Mucky Tundra (5h) : shhh you'll summon a Balrog if you keep saying his name
Mucky Tundra (5h) : I remember waaaaaaaaay back when the Chargers drafted him and LT. Thought they were going to take that team to a super bowl or two
Zero2Cool (5h) : I think it's Taysom Hill's team, not Wintson's.
Mucky Tundra (5h) : just saw the clip of Brees+Winston on the sideline: "It's your team"
Zero2Cool (5h) : @LarryHolder Drew Brees and his family have been on the field for quite some time now. The kids are playing like kids would. Brees is standing on the sideline taking it all in.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : hey look Zero, I'm giving credit to another teams D+coach :)
Mucky Tundra (6h) : looks like it. according to PFF, he played that game and his next game was at home vs Jax
Mucky Tundra (6h) : *real good Ds
Zero2Cool (6h) : That was the game David B got injured, right?
Mucky Tundra (6h) : Like I said, Bowles is a good DC. Had some real Ds out in Arizona when he was the DC there
Mucky Tundra (6h) : it'll be a good matchup.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : yeah but that was sorta late in the game wasn't it? I think both teams were just running out the clock at that point
Zero2Cool (6h) : AJ Dillon had a 20 yard run vs Bucs
Mucky Tundra (6h) : i got a feeling that'll get put to the test this sunday
Zero2Cool (6h) : Packers were up 10-0 in first quarter. Then it unraveled. WTF.
Zero2Cool (6h) : Buccaneers don't allow running though.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : Looking at the remaining teams in the playoffs, i think its safe to say we have the best run game
Mucky Tundra (6h) : i also think Lazard was out and MVS was in the middle of a cold streak; now lazard is getting back to where he was pre injury and MVS has been more consistent on short and intermediate stuff
Cheesey (6h) : Zero, you won’t find it.....Bob Hope died YEARS ago!🤪
Mucky Tundra (6h) : well for starters i think our run game is a better spot now than it was
Zero2Cool (6h) : I almost wanna rewatch the Week 6 game to see if I can find hope.
Cheesey (6h) : The turnovers killed NO. It’s not like Tampa was that great.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : One positive thing is that Arians seems to be one of those, "This is how we play and we're not changing it" with his offense which favors downfield stuff which Pettine doesn't want to allow
Mucky Tundra (6h) : it's odd of all the teams and places Rodgers has struggled at its Tampa since they really haven't been a great team since he came in the league
Zero2Cool (6h) : Rodgers seems to flounder in Tampa Bay, so hopefully Lambeau Field tilts things in favor for Packers.
Zero2Cool (6h) : I'm hoping Lambeau Field makes things WTF my TV went off.
packerfanoutwest (6h) : I want some of that
Zero2Cool (6h) : @AlbertBreer The Chargers are hiring Rams defensive coordinator Brandon Staley as their new head coach, sources confirmed (NFLN first). Staley's impressed in his interviews.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : yep. it was clear they saw some tendencies on film and exploited them in the last game
Zero2Cool (6h) : That's not a good thing. Buccaneers destroyed the Packers. Rodgers even said they figured them out. Not good.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : hm opening line at -4 GB
Mucky Tundra (6h) : let's hope so!
packerfanoutwest (6h) : Mucky,packers by 10 plus against the Bucs
Mucky Tundra (6h) : gonna be a tough game. Bowles is no slouch as a DC
Zero2Cool (6h) : I went for a walk and it was 13 tie. Now it's 30-20. Dayum.
Mucky Tundra (6h) : I hope they run up the gut more this time around. Last game they kept running to the outside and getting shut down by Tampas speedy LBs
packerfanoutwest (6h) : cook has been sad tonite
KRK (6h) : Packers need to expect that same type of defense. Match up man to man with two safeties over. We have to beat them at the line or it’s going to be a very long night
packerfanoutwest (6h) : home
packerfanoutwest (6h) : go ome Brees
Mucky Tundra (6h) : I wonder if New Orleans makes a play for Watson in the offseason?
hardrocker950 (7h) : Just about seals it
TheKanataThrilla (7h) : Need to hold them to a FG
Mucky Tundra (7h) : oh boy, that may seal the game
TheKanataThrilla (7h) : I remember my Devin White draft crush.
packerfanoutwest (7h) : haha Breees picked
Mucky Tundra (7h) : oh yeah, like a couple years ago on a hail mary vs Minnesota, Brees had to have a running start of 5 yards to get it downfield
hardrocker950 (7h) : Speaking of
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2020 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 13 @ 12:00 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Sep 20 @ 12:00 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Sep 27 @ 7:20 PM
Saints
Monday, Oct 5 @ 8:00 PM
FALCONS
Sunday, Oct 18 @ 3:25 PM
Buccaneers
Sunday, Oct 25 @ 12:00 PM
Texans
Sunday, Nov 1 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 5 @ 7:20 PM
49ers
Sunday, Nov 15 @ 12:00 PM
JAGUARS
Sunday, Nov 22 @ 3:25 PM
Colts
Sunday, Nov 29 @ 7:20 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 6 @ 3:25 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Dec 13 @ 3:25 PM
Lions
Saturday, Dec 19 @ 7:15 PM
PANTHERS
Sunday, Dec 27 @ 7:20 PM
TITANS
Sunday, Jan 3 @ 3:25 PM
Bears
Recent Topics
3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

6h / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

6h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7h / Around The NFL / KRK

7h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

12h / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

17-Jan / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / beast

16-Jan / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

16-Jan / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Smokey

16-Jan / Random Babble / Smokey

15-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Cheesey

15-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

15-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2021 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.