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2 months ago
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Discipline required, on and off the field

He also mentioned discussing more flexibility with defensive coordinator Joe Barry to shift out of the defense's usual two-deep safety look to add another defender to the box when an offense is loading up to run the ball, like the Patriots did in sending in an extra offensive lineman regularly.

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This talks a little bit about the Packers travel plans, but I think the asking Joe Brady to stack the box more is most interesting...

Including... why in the hell does he have to be told this when going against a 3rd string QB?

I mean, I really love the scheme ... but Barry's willingness to just play conservative is absolutely freaking nuts at times (I mean, I think fans are absolutely nuts when they want to blitz all the time too... and I'm stronger to Barry's side than the fans... but every rule has exceptions... and while it's smart to be conservative majority of the time, it's like Barry doesn't see the exceptions ...)
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bboystyle
2 months ago
There's a reason why Barry's defenses (all but one year) never ranked better than 23rd. He may be doing good with our defense, but his schemes and plans suck. If we weren't so talented on D, we would be bottom of the barrel.

Remember what Jim Bates did with our D back in the early 00's? He took a bunch of jags aside from a few and made them a top 10 D after sucking for years on defense. Barry will never do that because he needs talent to thrive and even then, he gets too conservative.
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nerdmann
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: bboystyle 

There's a reason why Barry's defenses (all but one year) never ranked better than 23rd. He may be doing good with our defense, but his schemes and plans suck. If we weren't so talented on D, we would be bottom of the barrel.

Remember what Jim Bates did with our D back in the early 00's? He took a bunch of jags aside from a few and made them a top 10 D after sucking for years on defense. Barry will never do that because he needs talent to thrive and even then, he gets too conservative.


Thing with Barry last year was Matt telling him what to do during games, imo. They held up too.

Not counting turnovers, this D has held all these teams to 20 or under so far. Not to jinx, of course.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
bboystyle
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

Thing with Barry last year was Matt telling him what to do during games, imo. They held up too.

Not counting turnovers, this D has held all these teams to 20 or under so far. Not to jinx, of course.



They've only held 2 teams under 20. The crappy bears and the injured Bucs. We will see what this D is all about when we face the Bills and Lions
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nerdmann
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: bboystyle 

They've only held 2 teams under 20. The crappy bears and the injured Bucs. We will see what this D is all about when we face the Bills and Lions



False. Aaron throwing a pick 6 is not something the defense allowed. Against the Vikings they held to a FG after a turnover, instead of allowing a TD. I don't count that against them either.
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Cheesey
2 months ago
We didn't get enough pressure on a third string QB. He had much to much time in the pocket.
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bboystyle
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: nerdmann 

False. Aaron throwing a pick 6 is not something the defense allowed. Against the Vikings they held to a FG after a turnover, instead of allowing a TD. I don't count that against them either.



The standard for a defense isnt 20 points. A 3rd string rookie couldnt be shut down. What do u think a QB lile Allen will do? Again, our real test will be vs the Bills.
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2 months ago
In theory the scheme is to limited the passing game, so they might actually do better against teams that can't run it....

But my original point was that Barry failed to adjust to other teams weakness and just kept playing his scheme...

And Patriots said, okay, we'll put 6 OL on the field and run it, and still almost no adjustments...

He has adjusted a bit in the blitzing more... but he always seems games late with his adjustments...

I doubt the Packers make a move, but I would ask them to extremely serious take a look at FA coach Vic Fangio... he's the one whom designed this season and he defensive coordinator for

49ers (2011–2014)
Bears (2015–2018)

Yes the Packers owned the Bears, but they defenses were tough as hell...

Took Collin Kapernick lead 49ers to the NFC Conference Championship game 3 years in a row... and late in the regular season, I said the 2018 Bears would make it to the Super Bowl if they could just avoid the Eagles tough linemen, and their luck it was their first playoff game and the defense held to them to 16 points but Eagles still one off the double doink FG

Also, if he doesn't get the head coaching job, Wisconsin's Jim Leonhard might be looking for another job.
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Cheesey
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: bboystyle 

They've only held 2 teams under 20. The crappy bears and the injured Bucs. We will see what this D is all about when we face the Bills and Lions



Any team we face will be a test the way we have been playing.
The only team we beat up was the Bears.
2 squeaker wins against beat up Tampa, and a overtime against a third string rookie QB.
Our offense has been a shell of what it was. Losing Adams and MVS has really hurt. Having rookies that don't really know what they are doing doesn't help.
Hopefully they can put it together and start playing like we know they can.
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Zero2Cool
2 months ago
All I know is Matt does not come off happy about going to London for a football game. Each interview I've listened to, he's crabby as crap, lol. It's funny. You can tell he knows he's crabby and tries to come off different and then it just comes back one sentence later.
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bboystyle
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

All I know is Matt does not come off happy about going to London for a football game. Each interview I've listened to, he's crabby as crap, lol. It's funny. You can tell he knows he's crabby and tries to come off different and then it just comes back one sentence later.



U know as fans, we sit from the comfort of our homes judging these players and coaches week in and out. What we dont realize is they travel every week to different parts of the country. That can get tiring and frustrating. Some people may not like flying but do it anyways for their job. So to come off crabby because the greedy NFL wants world domination by flying teams to London is underatandable. I for one couldnt do it
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2 months ago
I think Rodgers explained it well, everyone knows players are creates of routine in preparations, well... coaches are a lot more so... and this London trip throws the routines out the window.


Also CB Douglas says the London games suck... because it's like a normal game, except an 8 hour plane ride (which LaFleur has said he's going to try to keep players awake on)... and your bodies normal routine is totally screwed up with the time differences.


I was hoping we'd hear more from TE Lewis about it ... as the Jaguars went A LOT to London, and I believe Lewis had a 3 TD game as the Jaguars shocked the Ravens one year (Ravens kept treating him as a blocker (and he is) but then they skip him out late and no one picked Lewis up... touchdown!
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dyeah_gb
2 months ago
Originally Posted by: Cheesey 

Any team we face will be a test the way we have been playing.
The only team we beat up was the Bears.
2 squeaker wins against beat up Tampa, and a overtime against a third string rookie QB.
Our offense has been a shell of what it was. Losing Adams and MVS has really hurt. Having rookies that don't really know what they are doing doesn't help.
Hopefully they can put it together and start playing like we know they can.



On the positive, the new rookie WRs are progressing a heck of alot faster than either Adams or Jordy did.
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Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb 

On the positive, the new rookie WRs are progressing a heck of alot faster than either Adams or Jordy did.


Rodgers also compared rookie Watson to rookie Adams in terms of he's not looking at them enough ... and when when it first looks bad, they later win the rep and he needs to look their way later.... though said Adams was the much better route runner.

But dead serious here... their have been times when they doubled Watson as the deep route guy, and he's burned both of them... a well placed deep ball and catch could be a touch down.... now... Rodgers hasn't hit the super speedsters in stride (never learning to hit MVS in stride) and whom knows if Watson will catch it if he does... but they possible need to test it every so often and make sure both are practicing it during the week.

Also Doubs, IMO, actually looks like the next Adams.... well maybe not as much shake at the line, but once you get Doubs moving his route running and body control are darn good. Maybe I should say Nelson instead of Adams 🤔

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bboystyle
a month ago
Doubs reminds me more of Jennings. The YAC is there as well.

Watson reminds me of a faster Adams.
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