Looks like the Jets are trying to get leverage . 

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we are probably over-playing our weak hand.

The Jets could trade for plenty of guys for one year.

Looks like the Jets are trying to get leverage . 

Did you read this article? The gist of it is that the Rams would have been happy if (note: past tense) a team like the Jets had offered to trade for Stafford. It didn't happen, and the Rams paid Stafford a bunch of money and are stuck with him now. Stafford's situation was similar to Rodgers' ($57m due) except the payment was already triggered.

The FA QB market has all but dried up. So the Jets can play Zach White, sign a Teddy Bridgewater or Carson Wents, trade for Rodgers, or try to move up in the draft for a QB. They could also hope and pray that one falls to them at 13, I suppose.

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Did you read this article? The gist of it is that the Rams would have been happy if (note: past tense) a team like the Jets had offered to trade for Stafford. It didn't happen, and the Rams paid Stafford a bunch of money and are stuck with him now. Stafford's situation was similar to Rodgers' ($57m due) except the payment was already triggered.

The FA QB market has all but dried up. So the Jets can play Zach White, sign a Teddy Bridgewater or Carson Wents, trade for Rodgers, or try to move up in the draft for a QB. They could also hope and pray that one falls to them at 13, I suppose.

Whew cool. My mind may not have been untra clear at that time. 

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Whether it was 90% or not, I do believe that he was leaning toward retirement. You think whatever you want though to keep yourself pissed off at him. 

And him saying so on that podcast might be causing NY to not be eager to give us a 1st seeing there is a good chance he'll call it a career after this season.

Freddy Boston wrote:

Aaron Rodgers will almost certainly play for the New York Jets this season. When will a trade between the Green Bay Packers and New York Jets be agreed? That’s another question altogether.
Will the Jets include their first-round pick?
That has been one of the main topics among fans of both teams this week.
Well, ESPN’s Rich Cimini came up with a potential solution.
“There’s also the thought that the Packers, in lieu of a first-round pick, could ask for a player who was once graded highly on their draft board,” wrote Cimini.
He then used second-year edge rusher Jermaine Johnson as an example.
It’s an interesting idea, no doubt, and could possibly work for both teams. The Jets don’t have to give up a first-round pick this year, but the Packers do get a first-round talent.
New York selected Johnson with the 26th pick of the 2022 NFL Draft.
Johnson was part of the Jets’ pass-rush rotation as a rookie, mostly playing a backup role. But it was an encouraging rookie year for Johnson, who made 2.5 sacks, five quarterback hits, three tackles for loss, and a safety.
He showed a lot of potential in year one and has the talent to become an excellent starter.
The Packers need more pass-rush depth, and Johnson could be a perfect complement to Rashan Gary, Preston Smith, and Kingsley Enagbare. It would take the pressure off drafting a pass rusher early, although the Packers could still add more depth on Day 2 or 3.
Johnson was one of the top prospects in last year’s draft.
He was named the ACC Defensive Player of the Year and a first-team All-ACC in 2021 after making 11.5 sacks and 17.5 tackles for loss at Florida State.
“Johnson has good size, athleticism, technique, and functional strength while playing the game with tremendous urgency and features a high football IQ,” wrote The Draft Network’s Joe Marino prior to the 2022 NFL Draft.
Johnson ranked ninth in Daniel Jeremiah’s Top 50 prospect rankings for NFL.com.
After entering the draft as one of the best defensive prospects in the class, Johnson put together a promising rookie season.
If the Jets aren’t willing to give up the 13th overall pick in this year’s draft but would consider including Johnson in a trade for Aaron Rodgers, the Packers should make it happen.

i thought this was an interesting idea

Freddy Boston wrote:i thought this was an interesting idea

I think I would be open to that idea. But I would also want a conditional draft pick next year. Probably a 3rd than can become a 2nd or 1st depending on Rodgers performance. 

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I think I would be open to that idea. But I would also want a conditional draft pick next year. Probably a 3rd than can become a 2nd or 1st depending on Rodgers performance. 

For a pass rusher like this? Fuck it man, I'd just do it straight up. 

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I have a question… If we were to trade for a former first round pick before his rookie contract ends, would we still be able to exercise the extra year option or does that expire when a first round pick is traded?

I have a question… If we were to trade for a former first round pick before his rookie contract ends, would we still be able to exercise the extra year option or does that expire when a first round pick is traded?

Usually the contract goes with the player, say if The Packers would trade Jordan Love before May 1st, the team receiving him would have to decide on the 5th year option, before The May 1st deadline.

The Packers decide to pick up Loves 5th year option, then get a trade offer, the team making the offer is on the hook for that 5th year option.

Pretty sure that us how it goes.
 

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I have a question… If we were to trade for a former first round pick before his rookie contract ends, would we still be able to exercise the extra year option or does that expire when a first round pick is traded?

The option goes with the contract... so if traded, the new team cba still use it (assuming it wasn't previously declined for a player going into his last year)

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The option goes with the contract... so if traded, the new team cba still use it (assuming it wasn't previously declined for a player going into his last year)​​​

Thanks!!!  

If we would get a semi-proven commodity who is first rounder (per above) why not?

Perhaps true. What difference does it make? On the field, he was even better than we could have hoped for, mostly. 

The Packers are moving on, it's time. etc. 

I loved him more than you, Dave, over the years. We can argue about why Green Bay didn't  win more...yada yada yada.

Just know I always listened carefully to your perspective, still do, even though you are mostly wrong, still. 

Love ya, baby! Don't let the bastards get you down, and keep all those firearms and your Make America Better hats safely secured, its a tough world!

Well I am going to be sad as it has been 17years of having something to bitch about and with Rodgers gone who am I going to do it about lol. First Ted Thompson was gone and now Rodgers my life is over lol.
But seriously people the Packers hold all the cards. The Jets have already shown they are all in on Rodgers as they flew out to see him and didn't make any attempts at any other QB. They have signed Lazard to appease Mr Rodgers and not to make the room better. They could of used that money to go after an OT in free agency but they didn't they went for Rodgers wish list. Now what about the Packers and why I say they hold all the cards. First he is under contract to the Packers, and the main reason the Packers hold the ace of spades. He is cheaper to have on the team right now than he is to trade him. We have until the 1st game of the season before his bonus has to be paid. If they don't want to give up that 1st rounder than we hold out and go after the pick for next year but we don't send Rodgers till after their camps are done so he can't practice with them.  They will want him in camp to get used to the receivers and he will be there because he will basically be the coach with Hackett in charge of the offense.

So who is more desperate to get the deal done ? I have to say everything points to the Jets needing this done as they have their fan base all pumped up (they will change after he does his usual collapse in big games) and they need him in camp, the Packers can just wait and not lose anything.

BTW Dave I have plenty of pew pews, ammo and hats lol

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...First he is under contract to the Packers, and the main reason the Packers hold the ace of spades. He is cheaper to have on the team right now than he is to trade him. We have until the 1st game of the season before his bonus has to be paid. If they don't want to give up that 1st rounder than we hold out and go after the pick for next year but we don't send Rodgers till after their camps are done so he can't practice with them.  They will want him in camp to get used to the receivers and he will be there because he will basically be the coach with Hackett in charge of the offense.

If the trade is not consummated before the draft, then we don't get a first rounder before the draft.  So then if a trade is completed after the draft and if we got the Jets number 1 pick in 2024, the value of that 1st rounder will likely be lower.

If we hold him until after camp, he could simply retire or show back up.  If he retires, aren't we on the hook for alot of money and dead cap? If he is not in Jets' camp, he is worth less to them....and them may just tell him to retire, then un-retire next year.  

Perhaps I don't understand Rodgers options in the retire/un-retire scenario, but it would seem a very expensive option in the Jets come up with a plan B and he shows up for the money.

ADDITIONAL RANDOM THOUGHT
Is it possible that they have the compensation worked out but simply aren't going to execute the trade simply to mess with the other teams in the league in regard to draft scenarios

Yeah, I think the draft is the real deadline for both teams. The Packers want the Jets' #1 pick this year, if they can get it, for the reasons Martha mentions. If a deal isn't completed by the draft, the likelihood that the Jets say "screw it" and trade up or hope a QB falls to 13 rises exponentially. And then the Packers (presumably) have no trade market for Rodgers. And then things could get ugly.

Now, I don't think the Jets really have much leverage in this scenario. I mean, they have telegraphed their intentions and it will seem like a massive failure in NY if they do not land Rodgers. So I think they, especially their owner, will be very motivated to make it work before the draft. They have just enough leverage to play chicken. We'll see who blinks first.

Both teams have pressing reasons to make the trade happen too. So they can be certain about their cap situation and continue with the normal business of signing free agents and extending core players. Clearly, this isn't enough motivation for immediate action, but I do think it is a factor.

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If the trade is not consummated before the draft, then we don't get a first rounder before the draft.  So then if a trade is completed after the draft and if we got the Jets number 1 pick in 2024, the value of that 1st rounder will likely be lower.

If we hold him until after camp, he could simply retire or show back up.  If he retires, aren't we on the hook for alot of money and dead cap? If he is not in Jets' camp, he is worth less to them....and them may just tell him to retire, then un-retire next year.  

Perhaps I don't understand Rodgers options in the retire/un-retire scenario, but it would seem a very expensive option in the Jets come up with a plan B and he shows up for the money.

ADDITIONAL RANDOM THOUGHT
Is it possible that they have the compensation worked out but simply aren't going to execute the trade simply to mess with the other teams in the league in regard to draft scenarios

As I stated above we hold the cards for his deadcap money. Gute already has made room to handle his cap hit and it would be $40 million if he is traded or retires so there isn't a disadvantage to either one.  But if we hold onto him till after June 1st we can break that $40 million into dead cap for the next 2 years which would clear up $23 million this year. I think the Jets have showed their hand to much and all the pressure is on them to make it happen. I am thinking their 1st and one of the receivers Moore or Davis.

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The Packers will not cut Aaron Rodgers, period. Some posters at Jets sites think they will cut him.
 That will not happen. He will be assigned to  clear snow or clean the restrooms in Lambeau before his getting cut would ever enter the conversation. 

The whole media world seems to wonder about what the Packers and Jets should do based on the relative commitment of Aaron Rodgers, and his value as a result. How about pressing Aaron Rodgers as regards his level of commitment. 60 million. He's worth less than half of that going forward, by any reasonable criteria, knows that, yet has it and no one in this whole  conundrum is calling him out on it. The man already admitted that the whole paying him this kind of money was essentially untenable for the Packers, before he went into his dark hole whatever. Stand firm, Green Bay. 


 

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Love looking phenomenal .

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Are we there yet?

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Love looking phenomenal .

Honestly, I haven't been this excited for football season to start in quite some time. Not because I think the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl or something like that. But because I can't wait to see how Jordan Love develops. 

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The Packers will not cut Aaron Rodgers, period. Some posters at Jets sites think they will cut him.
 That will not happen. He will be assigned to  clear snow or clean the restrooms in Lambeau before his getting cut would ever enter the conversation. 

The whole media world seems to wonder about what the Packers and Jets should do based on the relative commitment of Aaron Rodgers, and his value as a result. How about pressing Aaron Rodgers as regards his level of commitment. 60 million. He's worth less than half of that going forward, by any reasonable criteria, knows that, yet has it and no one in this whole  conundrum is calling him out on it. The man already admitted that the whole paying him this kind of money was essentially untenable for the Packers, before he went into his dark hole whatever. Stand firm, Green Bay. 


 

Yeah, I don't think cutting Rodgers is a realistic option. If the Jets deal falls through and Rodgers insists on playing, I think the Packers would trade him to some other team, even if it meant getting very little in return, or even having to give up a draft pick to get another team to take on his contract. I view this scenario as unlikely, but much more likely than Rodgers being cut. If that happens, they'll need to start cutting core players just to get under the cap.

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Yes, cutting Rodgers would be worse case scenario.

Trading him to Raiders, Panthers, Colts, Lions or even Bears would be better ...

Heck, if Jets don't want him, maybe we can even offer Rodgers to the Patriots or Dolphins (whom are going all in), and we can get a comp picks with the Dolphins where if they make the playoffs we get a 2024 2nd, AFC Championship we get a 2024 1st and if they win the Superbowl we get two 1sts.