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luigis  
#1 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:33:17 PM(UTC)
The Vikes and the Lions are very bad, we are not good enough for a SB team and Ted Thompson is lucky our division is the worst one in the NFL.
Having 6 almost-sure wins in the season ocludes the real problems that makes the team a bad fit for the playoffs, these are my points:

1) The offensive line is really bad
Tony Moll can't play in a serios team.
Daryn Colledge is not good enough, that was a bad 2nd round pick.
Spitz is a good backup as soon as we get a decent OL

The hidden problem is that the OL can't protect in pass situations we had to play with 3 WR and max-protect to save Rodgers life and then nobody is open

2) We need Ruvell Martin back ASAP
We only played with 3WRs Driver, Jennings and Nelson. James Jones is playing really bad so without a 4WR or 5WR package the defense is easy

3) We badly need either smarter players or better coaching
I saw just too many missassignments
players covering nobody
WRs at the same place in several plays
guards run blocking in pass plays
safeties constantly out of position
linebackers attacking the wrong hole or no hole at all

Luis
Zero2Cool  
#2 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:34:33 PM(UTC)
Another one of these?

:sigh:
luigis  
#3 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:39:02 PM(UTC)
sorry feel free to merge it with another thread if needed
Zero2Cool  
#4 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:41:49 PM(UTC)
It's cool. I was just hoping for something other than a the end is near type thread. hah :)


It's your opinion and that's cool. I just disagree with the mentality that some have that we need a complete overhaul and that Ted Thompson is 'lucky' the division appears to be weak.

The Bears are going to do decent. The Vikings might surprise some people and the Lions are still the lions. By no means do we have a power house division, but also, we don't have a cake walk division either. To say that a GM is lucky because of the division I jus feel is ... well I can't think of a good way to say it.
Bigbyfan  
#5 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:50:58 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
The Vikes and the Lions are very bad, we are not good enough for a SB team andTed Thompsonis lucky our division is the worst one in the NFL.
Having 6 almost-sure wins in the season ocludes the real problems that makes the team a bad fit for the playoffs, these are my points:

1) The offensive line is really bad
Tony Moll can't play in a serios team.
Daryn Colledge is not good enough, that was a bad 2nd round pick.
Spitz is a good backup as soon as we get a decent OL

The hidden problem is that the OL can't protect in pass situations we had to play with 3 WR and max-protect to save Rodgers life and then nobody is open

2) We need Ruvell Martin back ASAP
We only played with 3WRs Driver, Jennings and Nelson. James Jones is playing really bad so without a 4WR or 5WR package the defense is easy

3) We badly need either smarter players or better coaching
I saw just too many missassignments
players covering nobody
WRs at the same place in several plays
guards run blocking in pass plays
safeties constantly out of position
linebackers attacking the wrong hole or no hole at all

Luis


I think this is an over reaction.

1) We are missing two starters in Wells and Sitton. Tony Moll is not going to be seeing that much playing time as the season goes on. Jason Spitz gets the job done.

2) Receivers is still a deep position on this team. I have seen multiple people say receivers are a concern, just because they didn't have that great of a game. Some of that has to be put on Aaron Rodgers and the coaches for not getting the job done in the redzone. Quite truthfully, most of the teams in the NFL would gladly trade receiving corps with us.

3) I agree with you. I put this on the coaches, I feel that all those missed assignments can't be only the players' fault. We also need to take a look at our strength & conditioning program because it seemed only our players were cramping up and taking a lot of oxygen.
luigis  
#6 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:54:58 PM(UTC)
Thanks Bigbyfan and Zero2Cool for the encouragement, I will remember your ideas and try to be more positive about our real expectations.

I just have the feeling that something is very wrong because every time we play a good team we have just too many problems.

Luis
Greg C.  
#7 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 6:00:40 PM(UTC)
Our division was over .500 last season. That means it was better than average.

1. I agree that Moll and Colledge are not very good. That's why they are backups. Hopefully the line will improve when Wells and Sitton come back. Poor pass blocking has to be the Packers' biggest concern right now.

2. James Jones banged his bad knee almost immediately in last night's game, which may explain why he was sub-par and definitely explains why he could not even finish the game. He is a very good #3, but like any other player, he's not as good when he isn't healthy.

3. The coaching is fine. For me, that's actually the most discouraging thing about last night's loss. I thought the Packers had a good game plan. But they were outmuscled and outplayed overall.
bigfog  
#8 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 6:05:58 PM(UTC)
this just in...sky is falling.
TengoJuego  
#9 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 8:10:41 PM(UTC)
This thread fails hard.
longtimefan  
#10 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 8:26:16 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
The Vikes and the Lions are very bad, we are not good enough for a SB team andTed Thompsonis lucky our division is the worst one in the NFL.
Having 6 almost-sure wins in the season ocludes the real problems that makes the team a bad fit for the playoffs, these are my points:


Luis


sort of like 2002? GB 12-4 and won division..2nd place?? Vikings at 6-10 YIKES!
dhazer  
#11 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 9:46:28 PM(UTC)
Is it just me or was it not another big game and Mike McCarthy changed his normal play calling? What happened to the quick slants? And the comments Rodgers made about the Cowboys taking away his rollout game is he admitted he's not a good pocket passer? I'm not gloating cuz the Pack did lose but now maybe people will start to be realistic about this team. We are not a Super Bowl contender maybe in a few years but not this year. But then again this is just my opinion. Mike McCarthy has to learn to stick to what works for the Pack and thats the short dinks and dunks and slants we started the game that way and got away from it. And wtf happened to our red zone offense?
longtimefan  
#12 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 10:23:25 PM(UTC)
DH...

Last year after the 3rd game did any one say hey this team is Sb material?

I dont think so..

Do you agree with this?

Last 2 seasons ( 06 and 07 ) the team got better as year went on..So why can't it happen this year?

My gawd they are 2-1 LOL Not 0-3

They got out played and I sort of expected it..I did not expect them to look so flat..
dhazer  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:04:32 PM(UTC)
Long at this time last year people were saying Packers were SB material seeing we were 3-0. I just don't see the fire on this team but yes i believe its because the team don't have faith in the QB, actions speak larger then words.
I think Mike McCarthy is doing very conservative play calling for Rodgers for he don't want to set him up for a public bashing, and that will hurt this team. But let's see now after we got spanked all over the field, I keep saying i hope im wrong but i don't see a great team i see a mediocre team.

Go Pack Go
Trippster  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:36:38 PM(UTC)
could it be that the "conservative" play calling is a result of the QB not audibling at the line because he isnt making any adjustments, as in the past?
zombieslayer  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:47:49 PM(UTC)
" said: Go to Quoted Post
could it be that the "conservative" play calling is a result of the QB not audibling at the line because he isnt making any adjustments, as in the past?


Uh oh. Didn't want to open up this can of worms, but quite possibly. Last year, we had the best guy at audibles out there behind Center. I was hoping Aaron Rodgers would be able to just come in and keep it going, just like you change a pair of socks. Hopefully by mid-season, he'd be doing this.

The other thing I wonder - is Aaron Rodgers afraid to override Mike McCarthy 's calls? I know BF did it a lot. When he thought he saw something that Mike McCarthy didn't see, he'd just do his own thing (and in '07, it worked).

Well, it's only game 3. I'm hoping Aaron Rodgers continues to gain confidence and starts changing more plays at the LOS. He's got the brains. He's got the strong arm. He has the talent. Maybe he's must missing the confidence? I'm assuming the experience is there because it's his 4th year.
Zero2Cool  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2008 7:12:24 PM(UTC)
I don't think the Packers are calling plays soft for Rodgers. You don't trade a future Hof QB in favor of a guy who have to dummy down your playbook for.


" said: Go to Quoted Post
could it be that the "conservative" play calling is a result of the QB not audibling at the line because he isnt making any adjustments, as in the past?


Regarding Trippsters comment, good point. I can't say I know for sure if he's making the right adjustments, but his teammates say he is. But you never really know I guess.
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