zombieslayer
13 years ago

you talked about the cost, the losing of your rights, the radiation poisoning, you clear hatred for tsa employees but i don't recall you saying point blank...i think we need security just not by federal employees.

so now I'M confused - is it bad period or is it only bad cuz the gov't is doing it? if it becomes privatized don't these above mentioned 'problems' still exist?

i don't get it but again i'm sicker than i've been in ages. forgive me if i'm missing something, zombie. :)

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Well, hope you feel better soon. I had the flu last week and it was not fun.

I hate TSA because they're like jackbooted thugs. They're Federal employees who treat American citizens like bad guys. The feeling up of that 3-year-old was downright disgusting.

Then they're rude when you go to fly and your delays are ridiculous. They ban everything too, and have been found on many cases to pocket the stuff they steal from travelers. This has been documented again and again.

Before 9/11, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, airport security was private. I didn't mind flying. The thing is, a 9/11 will never happen again. If 4 terrorists try to take over an airplane, you will have the other 96 people who would rather die than let them be a missile. This has been proven. See my shoe bomber example.

The TSA only manages to slow everyone down and piss off travelers. If we go back to privatizing it all like it was before, it will be faster and they won't be such thugs. I don't trust Feds with power, and the TSA is a perfect example.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I have encountered friendly TSA agents in only one city, and that was, surprisingly enough, Madison, Wisconsin. I have never been treated anywhere else with anything but (at best) frigid politeness. More often than not it was overt rudeness, arrogance, and condescension. I resent being treated by my own country -- in the absence of any bad behavior on my part -- as a potential bad guy.

By the way, I was a little surprised to read last night in the complete text of the 4th Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.



I had forgotten that the Amendment covers "persons," "papers," and "effects." Traveling through an airport certainly seems to cover those three facets to me.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

Ron Paul introduces the American Traveler Dignity Act 

By: E. D. Kain 11/19/10 12:00 AM

David Freddoso over on Beltway Confidential posted this video of Ron Paul (R, TX) introducing his new bill, The American Traveler Dignity Act, on the House floor. The legislation would help curb the growing power of the federal government and the TSA in American airports. Here's Paul's idea in a nutshell:

My legislation is simple. It establishes that airport security screeners are not immune from any US law regarding physical contact with another person, making images of another person, or causing physical harm through the use of radiation-emitting machinery on another person. It means they are subject to the same laws as the rest of us.

I'm not sure if Paul's legislation will gather much momentum, but if there was ever a time to try and curtail the powers of the TSA, that time is now. Public outrage over gropings, invasive body scans, and the targeting of young children for full body pat-downs, is reaching a bubbling point. The blogs have never been so unanimously opposed to a government program, with bloggers on the left and the right agreeing that something must be done to put an end to the security theater playing out in our airports. As Paul noted in his speech, Americans have become too submissive. It's high time we quit acting like sheep.

Naturally, whenever something good is also popular across partisan lines, it stands little chance of success. And security issues are even more difficult to reverse. After all, it only takes one attack on an airplane to initiate yet another round of liberty-crushing government security programs aimed not so much at keeping us safe but at keeping the security establishment off the hook. Security is largely an illusion. No matter how many ways we mangle our constitutional rights in the name of security, there will always be ways for terrorists to harm us. I would argue the mangling of our rights is all the harm they really need to inflict.

Paul is also correct to note that the pilot's gun in the locked cockpit has done by far the most to secure flights - not the long security lines at airports, not body scanners.

James Poulos adds:

My problem with what's unfolding at our nation's airports runs a lot deeper than the misfortune of genital encroachment. My problem is that we're racing down an inherently absurd road. Set aside for a moment the dismaying way in which every new advance in security measures involves a retreat for civil liberties and traditional definitons of decency. Our logic of escalation appears to mean that every new solution actually creates a new and dramatically worse problem -- one which calls, of course, for dramatically more invasive and comprehensive countermeasures.

Where does it end? As a matter of logic, it ends with a free people dehumanizing themselves in a way their own enemies cannot quite manage to do. Fortunately, we are not prisoners of logic. But the awful thing about terrorism is that it very well might keep us prisoner to fear.


Didn't a president once mention that the only thing Americans had to fear was fear itself?

Perhaps we should have heeded those words a little more closely when we created the TSA in the first place. We should heed them now.



http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/opinion-zone/2010/11/ron-paul-introduces-american-traveler-dignity-act#ixzz15tn6S1vb 



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Formo
13 years ago
Great article, Rourke. Loved how they tied it up at the end.
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4PackGirl
13 years ago
i don't know where the hell you guys fly out of or to but i've NEVER had a tsa employee be rude to me. i've flown several times over the last couple years & from illinois to atlanta to vegas to california to oklahoma had not one problem at all.

we are such a pussy society, it sickens me. we bitch & moan about every little thing so the gov't steps in & tries to make us safer. then we're not happy about that change so once again, the gov't will step in & try to fix that problem. next, someone will get on a plane with a gun or a knife or whatever, somebody will get hurt, & we'll bitch & moan once again about not being safe. it's no wonder the damn gov't can't get anything accomplished.

we're a country of ME ME ME - fix THIS for ME, fix THAT for ME - i don't care what ANYBODY else thinks or feels - i WANT this for ME!! waah waaah waaaah!! big bunch of babies.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I've flown out of La Crosse, Minneapolis, Chicago, Madison, Charlotte, Augusta, Raleigh, Atlanta, New York, Bangor, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Zurich, Kuwait City, and who knows how many other places. The only place I've encountered friendly TSA agents has been Madison. Most of them are irritable and distant at best, treating people like they are inconveniences -- instead of the taxpayers who pay for their salaries -- and quite a few are overtly rude, if not downright contemptuous.

The infuriating thing about it is I was never treated like that anywhere in Europe. The security agents for other lands were unfailingly polite and helpful. It was only as I was walking through the gate to return to my own land that I was treated as a potential criminal again.

If I've done something wrong -- if I'm acting inappropriately -- then you can treat me like a malcontent. Until then, you damn well be treating me like the guaranteed paycheck that I am, or I will take offense.

Down with the Tyrannical Security Agency. It's outlived its usefulness, if it ever had any in the first place.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
But isn't that a reflection of the people of this country more so than the TSA themselves.

I could counter with the fact from 01 through 08 I flew out of more than 30 different airports of this country, have special circumstances that require a pat down every time, and other than Phoenix, AZ had no real complaints with the people themselves.

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Packers_Finland
13 years ago

I've flown out of La Crosse, Minneapolis, Chicago, Madison, Charlotte, Augusta, Raleigh, Atlanta, New York, Bangor, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, Zurich, Kuwait City, and who knows how many other places. The only place I've encountered friendly TSA agents has been Madison. Most of them are irritable and distant at best, treating people like they are inconveniences -- instead of the taxpayers who pay for their salaries -- and quite a few are overtly rude, if not downright contemptuous.

The infuriating thing about it is I was never treated like that anywhere in Europe. The security agents for other lands were unfailingly polite and helpful. It was only as I was walking through the gate to return to my own land that I was treated as a potential criminal again.

If I've done something wrong -- if I'm acting inappropriately -- then you can treat me like a malcontent. Until then, you damn well be treating me like the guaranteed paycheck that I am, or I will take offense.

Down with the Tyrannical Security Agency. It's outlived its usefulness, if it ever had any in the first place.

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13 years ago

i don't know where the hell you guys fly out of or to but i've NEVER had a tsa employee be rude to me. i've flown several times over the last couple years & from illinois to atlanta to vegas to california to oklahoma had not one problem at all.

we are such a pussy society, it sickens me. we bitch & moan about every little thing so the gov't steps in & tries to make us safer. then we're not happy about that change so once again, the gov't will step in & try to fix that problem. next, someone will get on a plane with a gun or a knife or whatever, somebody will get hurt, & we'll bitch & moan once again about not being safe. it's no wonder the damn gov't can't get anything accomplished.

we're a country of ME ME ME - fix THIS for ME, fix THAT for ME - i don't care what ANYBODY else thinks or feels - i WANT this for ME!! waah waaah waaaah!! big bunch of babies.

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Well, okay, I'll concede the ME ME ME part. I'll even admit that I whine too much. :)

And I tend to be a wimp who takes the safe way out.

On the other hand, I have never knowingly asked the government to make me safer in my adult life.

If I think it is too dangerous for me to fly to NY, then I won't fly to NY....for the same reason I will never fly to Kazakstan.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

we are such a pussy society, it sickens me. we bitch & moan about every little thing so the gov't steps in & tries to make us safer.

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Uh, I think you have this the other way around.

A pussy society says "help us government! I'm scared of those scary bad guys!"

That's a pussy society, a society that exchanges Freedom for the delusion of security.
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