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Offline all_about_da_packers  
#1 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 3:50:36 AM(UTC)
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Now now, not concerned about our level of play as much as our health.

- Bigby has a hamstring issue. Very problematic in the sense that it is so sensitive.

- Collins has something wrong. Long stretches of play that he missed tonight, and he's starting to finally display some good play making ability. We need him, after tonight it's clear that Rouse is the third best S on this roster.

- Barnett's shoulder problem. Not sure what it was, but it might be a potential problem in him being able to tackle. Hopefully it isn't too serious.

- Al Harris ... something. He cramped up, and reports suggest that he had blood in his urine that concerned the doctors enough to not send him back in the game. We need Al, no matter how much father time is starting to (supposedly) catch up with him.

- KGB's knee. He hasn't been as effective tonight as one would've thought, maybe it was just the great play by the OT blocking him tonight. Hopefully that's the reason, KGB's strength is his speed and quickness, and we desperately need him.


I don't know about you, but I'm concerned about the health of our key players on D.

Judging by tonight, we desperately need Harrell back too.
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#2 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 3:52:22 AM(UTC)
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I touched on the over reacting in another thread. C'mon now! :P
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Offline agopackgo4  
#3 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 6:03:13 AM(UTC)
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I'm really sad that our defense has to be out on the field for such a long time, because our offensive line can't throw a block.
Offline CaliforniaCheez  
#4 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 8:18:25 AM(UTC)
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To put it in a nutshell, The Cowboys have a great O-line.

The Packers O-line wasn't as good.


Injuries are part of the game and if you don't practice hitting players bodies are not adpted to it.

Injuries happen when Aaron Rouse is hitting your players instead of their players. He gets to the play late as he did when hitting Barnnett's shoulder off of making a tackle.

I would not be critical of the Packer Defense but give credit to the Cowboys' O-line that played very well.
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Offline Pack93z  
#5 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 10:54:16 AM(UTC)
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Of all the football I have watched this year.. that is the best, without a doubt the best Oline in football. Yes I am concerned about the injuries.. but none seemed to be long term concerns, at least at first blush.

Look no further than our inability to maintain drives in the second half coupled with weak red zone offensive production.

IMO, we did what we had to in order to keep us in the game on defense.. I would rather them chunk it on the ground than give up multiple deep strikes in the air. Watch the highlight of the Austin TD.. focus on Jenkins, he got tackled on his way to Romo.. Jenkins played a good game.

If there is a concern on the D, it is the depth and rotation along that Dline.. we are 5 to 6 deep across the line.. and if we are going to be on the field for those long durations.. we don't have the bodies to rotate inside.

I thought overall our secondary did a fine job with the guys on the field.. Williams was pretty good, Woodson was excellent, Collins played well. Blackmon's strip and recovery was a thing of beauty.

I hate to say this.. but I think we were a little soft in conditioning.. both sides (O and D) were dragging at the end, I can understand the D, but the O just looked gassed at the end.
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Offline Since69  
#6 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 10:58:54 AM(UTC)
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I'm really sad that our defense has to be out on the field for such a long time, because our offensive line can't throw a block.


That sword's got two edges. Our defense could have gotten off the field sooner if they could have stopped anyone on third downs... seems like the 'Pukes ran twice as many plays as we did last night.
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Offline TOPackerFan  
#7 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 12:17:36 PM(UTC)
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Anyone still think Aaron Rouse should be starting?
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Offline CaliforniaCheez  
#8 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 12:19:02 PM(UTC)
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The Packers Defense is 27th in total yards surrendered.

26th against the Rush

22nd against the Pass

25th in Points allowed.

According to NFL.com.

That with a game against a very good team in the Cowboys, a poor team in the Lions, and a run of the mill team like the purple slime.
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Offline WhiskeySam  
#9 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 12:51:30 PM(UTC)
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Welcome to reality. We flat out got beat by a better team.
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Offline Roddyboy  
#10 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 12:52:37 PM(UTC)
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I thought defense was TT's specialty?

hmmm...

What's going on?
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#11 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 12:53:07 PM(UTC)
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Welcome to reality. We flat out got beat by a better team.


I agree. We have some area's we are better than them, but overall they have better talent than we do and it showed.
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Offline Cheesey  
#12 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 1:26:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I thought defense was TT's specialty?

hmmm...

What's going on?

He doesn't make the plays, he only picks the players.
Yeah......it's ALL TT's fault.
Geez.....this is getting old.
You are ONE post away from my "ignore" button, as you NEVER have anything to say except anti-TT, or pro you-know-who.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#13 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 1:48:22 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I thought defense was TT's specialty?

hmmm...

What's going on?


Did you watch the game? Seriously?

I want you to answer me this. What defense can constantly be carted out onto the field when their offense fails to sustain a drive? The defense got worn out because they couldn't stop the run and couldn't stay off the field.

An offense is supposed to eat up clock, get points and keep your defense fresh.

It was ONE game. If this is a reoccurring theme, then I can validate your comments. Until then, this is silly non sense talk. :)
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Offline Cheesey  
#14 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 1:50:20 PM(UTC)
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Just another "jab" at TT.
Thats ALL it was meant as.
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Offline Rios39  
#15 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:03:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
I thought defense was TT's specialty?

hmmm...

What's going on?


I don't have room to make any calls, but I own another site and what you are doing is border-lining on trolling my friend.
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Offline DakotaT  
#16 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:07:22 PM(UTC)
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We have above average defensive personnel. What we don't have is an above average defensive coordinator. If you brought Jimmy Johnson in here from Philadelphia, our turnovers and sacks would go up.

Last night we had our asses handed to us, no doubt! We were also short handed with several others playing and nicked up. We'll get another shot at those boys, and I hope to God we don't let Romeo stand back there for five seconds every pass attempt.
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Offline Cheesey  
#17 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:38:19 PM(UTC)
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I know.....Romo had all night to find someone. We got to him a few times, but most of the time he just stood there and waited for someone to get open.
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Offline Zero2Cool  
#18 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 2:41:43 PM(UTC)
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I know.....Romo had all night to find someone. We got to him a few times, but most of the time he just stood there and waited for someone to get open.



I kind of disagree. There were only a few times I noticed he had a lot of time and those times he really made us pay. Even on some of the plays we got in his face he made us pay.

We got to him and we did have him rattled but without Al Harris covering the other guy, we got burned.
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Offline Rockjock07  
#19 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 3:02:35 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: " Go to Quoted Post
The Packers Defense is 27th in total yards surrendered.

26th against the Rush

22nd against the Pass

25th in Points allowed.

According to NFL.com.

That with a game against a very good team in the Cowboys, a poor team in the Lions, and a run of the mill team like the purple slime.


They've also played one the best rushing teams in MIN and one of the best offensive teams in the Cowboys. No, the defense is not elite but they will be better then the rankings show. In a game last night, they needed 1 or 2 more DLmen to rotate in and out to keep the pressure on Romo and Barber from getting 5-6 yards down the field before he's touched.

I was impressed at how Brandon Chillar played yesterday. What about rotating Brady, Jenkins, and KGB?

Perhaps the thing that worries me the most is if the OL will get it together. I know Wells will probably start this week and that may help but the holding calls are also something that needs to stop.
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Offline zombieslayer  
#20 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 3:27:53 PM(UTC)
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I'm really sad that our defense has to be out on the field for such a long time, because our offensive line can't throw a block.


bingo!

I don't blame the D as much as our OL stinks and because our OL stinks, we weren't getting enough first downs, thus keeping the D on the field and letting them get worn down.
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#21 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 5:39:13 PM(UTC)
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Here's what i don't understand though........if our D is out there, doesn't that mean their O is out there too????
Shouldn't that mean THEY should be just as tired?
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#22 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2008 6:04:18 PM(UTC)
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Here's what i don't understand though........if our D is out there, doesn't that mean their O is out there too????
Shouldn't that mean THEY should be just as tired?


No. When you are defense you are reacting and that takes more energy from you. You have to prepare yourself for several things.

When you are an offense you cycle formations and runs. Every play all 11 guys on defense are chugging away. The offense doesn't have 11 guys constantly chugging away. Heck the QB has a skirt.


I see your point, but I understand it, I just don't know how to explain it. Offense just takes less out of you unless you're running deep posts all the time as a WR or you are running the ball hard.

They had two RB who could torch us and their OL was pushing us around.
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