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User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#1 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 8:07:29 PM(UTC)
Vince Young ..... B.J. Coleman ..... Graham Harrell

ANY of them I would have more confidence in than Seneca Wallace!

Why oh why oh why did we cut Vince Young and replace him with his over age weak arm too short guy?

I HOPE he proves me wrong/makes me eat these words in the second half of the game, BUT I DOUBT IT!

edit: I should have said any of the four including Tolzien. Tebow? Hell Yeah! Flynn? Yeah, I guess. ANYBODY BUT WALLACE!

edit again: Make that five, including Favre.
schroeder84  
#2 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:07:50 PM(UTC)
No, Seneca Wallace has been better in game action than Graham Harrell ever was for the Pack.
nerdmann  
#3 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:44:47 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
Vince Young ..... B.J. Coleman ..... Graham Harrell

ANY of them I would have more confidence in than Seneca Wallace!

Why oh why oh why did we cut Vince Young and replace him with his over age weak arm too short guy?

I HOPE he proves me wrong/makes me eat these words in the second half of the game, BUT I DOUBT IT!

edit: I should have said any of the four including Tolzien. Tebow? Hell Yeah! Flynn? Yeah, I guess. ANYBODY BUT WALLACE!

edit again: Make that five, including Favre.


Vince Young is a cross between Randy Moss and Jamarcus Russell.
steveishere  
#4 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:46:54 PM(UTC)
VY - NO
Coleman - NO
Harrell - Maybe
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#5 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:49:08 PM(UTC)
CUT SENECA WALLACE! I'd take Jamarcus Russell over him - at least he could throw.

Thank you Ted Thompson for giving us this piece of shit as a backup QB. Harrell wasn't much, but even he was better than Wallace.
nerdmann  
#6 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:51:27 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
CUT SENECA WALLACE! I'd take Jamarcus Russell over him - at least he could throw.

Thank you Ted Thompson for giving us this piece of sh!t as a backup QB. Harrell wasn't much, but even he was better than Wallace.


I'm more disappointed in Capers than I am in Wallace right now.
packerfanoutwest  
#7 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:54:31 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm more disappointed in Capers than I am in Wallace right now.


yup Capers crapped the bed,,,,,time to let him go
rabidgopher04  
#8 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 9:59:07 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm more disappointed in Capers than I am in Wallace right now.


Defense was awful tonight. Looking forward to getting Matthews back soon.
macbob  
#9 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:01:21 PM(UTC)
Flynn didn't inspire confidence in the game that Aaron Rodgers got hurt in 2010, but after a week of prep with the starters he had a respectable game against the Patriots.

Given a week of prep, and McCarthy tweaking the game plan for his abilities, I would expect Wallace to do better next week.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#10 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:06:33 PM(UTC)
It's ALL a matter of personnel. Capers has been using tricks and gimmicks because he doesn't have the personnel to just line up and play; The O Line is mediocre - they played way above their heads tonight - damn shame Wallace screwed it up for them and Lacy.

It's ALL on Ted Thompson, though. I said it before, and I'll say it again, other than benefitting by all those other teams passing on Aaron Rodgers, Ted Thompson really has not done a good job of building a team.
rabidgopher04  
#11 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:10:21 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
It's ALL a matter of personnel. Capers has been using tricks and gimmicks because he doesn't have the personnel to just line up and play; The O Line is mediocre - they played way above their heads tonight - damn shame Wallace screwed it up for them and Lacy.

It's ALL on Ted Thompson, though. I said it before, and I'll say it again, other than benefitting by all those other teams passing on Aaron Rodgers, Ted Thompson really has not done a good job of building a team.


Calm down and go have a beer. Shit happens. 6 more days until the next game.
nerdmann  
#12 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:10:26 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
It's ALL a matter of personnel. Capers has been using tricks and gimmicks because he doesn't have the personnel to just line up and play; The O Line is mediocre - they played way above their heads tonight - damn shame Wallace screwed it up for them and Lacy.

It's ALL on Ted Thompson, though. I said it before, and I'll say it again, other than benefitting by all those other teams passing on Aaron Rodgers, Ted Thompson really has not done a good job of building a team.


We were playing our 5th tackle today. We've lost about a dozen starters.

What other franchise could even field a team, let alone go into this game expecting to win?
steveishere  
#13 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:13:05 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
CUT SENECA WALLACE! I'd take Jamarcus Russell over him - at least he could throw.


no he couldn't and neither can Vince Young
Gaycandybacon  
#14 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:13:17 PM(UTC)
I say give Tolzien a shot. He has better size, probably even a better arm than Wallace. Wallace was just awkward back there. His height did us no good when it all came down to it.
beast  
#15 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:14:42 PM(UTC)


I find it interesting how it's always blame Capers...


The defense might of played poorly but they only gave up 24 points and that's with missing 3 of the top 4 OLBers, players not making key tackles, CBs that seem to be afraid of going head ot head with the WRs, and the Packers best defense weapon against the Bears (Cutler was injured, so no INTs) which all of that is not the coach's fault.

And Neal and some of the DL where CLEARLY gassed and tired because they offense could get them a rest (nor could Neal really sub out for a rest).

Capers has been using tricks like inside and DB blitzed to force the nickel packages hold up... the Bears were able to plug the middle and the WRs made plays when they blitzed from the outside, simple put the Bears stopped the tricks.


The only things I could see that the Defense might of been able to try (not saying they would of worked, heck these could of been worse than what they tried).


~ Keep the base defense out there for the passing downs and asked Raji and Jolly to pass rush (not sure this is a good idea, they would get even more tired).

~ Ask Datone Jones to play some OLB (personally I thought they should have been getting him some practice snaps there since both Matthews and Perry were down and if he was good (which I think he would be, then get him in the games there).


~ Go to the 4-2-5 and ask some of the DTs to play 4-3 DE to give Neal and the other a breather.
nerdmann  
#16 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:20:08 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
I find it interesting how it's always blame Capers...


The defense might of played poorly but they only gave up 24 points and that's with missing 3 of the top 4 OLBers, players not making key tackles, CBs that seem to be afraid of going head ot head with the WRs, and the Packers best defense weapon against the Bears (Cutler was injured, so no INTs) which all of that is not the coach's fault.

And Neal and some of the DL where CLEARLY gassed and tired because they offense could get them a rest (nor could Neal really sub out for a rest).

Capers has been using tricks like inside and DB blitzed to force the nickel packages hold up... the Bears were able to plug the middle and the WRs made plays when they blitzed from the outside, simple put the Bears stopped the tricks.


The only things I could see that the Defense might of been able to try (not saying they would of worked, heck these could of been worse than what they tried).


~ Keep the base defense out there for the passing downs and asked Raji and Jolly to pass rush (not sure this is a good idea, they would get even more tired).

~ Ask Datone Jones to play some OLB (personally I thought they should have been getting him some practice snaps there since both Matthews and Perry were down and if he was good (which I think he would be, then get him in the games there).


~ Go to the 4-2-5 and ask some of the DTs to play 4-3 DE to give Neal and the other a breather.


I'm always defending the D, blaming everything on Mike and Aaron's stat whoring.

But the D shit themselves today, right when we needed them to step up. Disappointing.
Gaycandybacon  
#17 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:27:42 PM(UTC)
beast said: Go to Quoted Post
I find it interesting how it's always blame Capers...


The defense might of played poorly but they only gave up 24 points and that's with missing 3 of the top 4 OLBers, players not making key tackles, CBs that seem to be afraid of going head ot head with the WRs, and the Packers best defense weapon against the Bears (Cutler was injured, so no INTs) which all of that is not the coach's fault.

And Neal and some of the DL where CLEARLY gassed and tired because they offense could get them a rest (nor could Neal really sub out for a rest).

Capers has been using tricks like inside and DB blitzed to force the nickel packages hold up... the Bears were able to plug the middle and the WRs made plays when they blitzed from the outside, simple put the Bears stopped the tricks.


The only things I could see that the Defense might of been able to try (not saying they would of worked, heck these could of been worse than what they tried).


~ Keep the base defense out there for the passing downs and asked Raji and Jolly to pass rush (not sure this is a good idea, they would get even more tired).

~ Ask Datone Jones to play some OLB (personally I thought they should have been getting him some practice snaps there since both Matthews and Perry were down and if he was good (which I think he would be, then get him in the games there).


~ Go to the 4-2-5 and ask some of the DTs to play 4-3 DE to give Neal and the other a breather.


Any qb can gash you if you can't rush the passer. Injuries caught up to us in this game. Palmer and Mulumba are pretty good run defenders, but they can't really rush the passer that well. Neal is struggling in his full time role, hasn't looked the same in some time. We stoped the run pretty damn well early in the game, but since they kept moving the ball passing they pretty much could do anything. If we had one or both Matthews and Perry we have a good chance to win even without Rodgers. I'm not blaming it on anyone, everyone had a bad night except the special teams and Running game. But when you can't convert 3rd downs passing or can't rush the passer you're gonna lose.

I agree with Datone Jones. He's been playing better these past few weeks, they even stood him up a couple times as a spy. They should think about, (like you said) playing snaps for him at OLB.

The strength of this defense is the defensive line, and when you can push them around, you can do things against this defense.
steveishere  
#18 Posted : Monday, November 4, 2013 10:32:36 PM(UTC)
I think no matter who is playing or injured Capers is good at scheming blitz pressures but completely horrible at scheming coverages. The only time there ever isn't some wide open hole with no defender around for 20 yards is when it's straight man to man across the board and you can't really do that on every play. It's like he just has the d-line play the run and everyone else is just backyard football do whatever you want.
DoddPower  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 5, 2013 12:00:32 AM(UTC)
The hate on Ted Thompson is silly. He makes mistakes, and needs to be called on them. Fair enough. But if the Packers were healthy, they would be one of, if not THE best, team in the NFL. Even with all the injuries, they still compete. That's impressive.

It's hard to win games with multiple 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th string players playing. I think the Packers would have won this game even without Rodgers if the rest of the team was still relatively healthy. There's only so much a 53 man roster can endure, and it's officially caught up to the Packers now.
Mr_Bumpy  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:30:47 AM(UTC)
The other thing is, the defense was on the field all damn game. The offense couldn't move the ball. Do you really expect the defense to be able to play as long as the Packer defense did and maintain a high level of play?
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