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#26 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:02:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sschind Go to Quoted Post
And if we do lose you will be on here saying I've informed you thusly and if we win you will have some excuse to why it was in spite of Wallace. Wallace will have to have a Matt Flynn vs the Lions type day for you to even consider giving him his due.

I will stop short of saying that you are probably hoping he does poorly because I know you are a Packer fan and I would hope that their success takes precedent over your need to be right on an anonymous internet website but I know you are warming up your I told you sos just in case.

The great thing about being so adamant on the internet is that there is absolutely no way to be held accountable. You (not you specifically but everyone in general) can rant and rave and make all the proclamations you want and if you are wrong, who cares, maybe you admit it maybe you don't but it doesn't stop you from making more.


I promise I will eat my words and congratulate Wallace if he does good enough against the Eagles. How much is good enough? If the Packers win and Wallace is a reasonable part of the success - in other words, not playing bad enough to lose the game. OK?

On the other hand, if he is the primary cause for losing - which I expect will happen, you better believe I will be saying I told you so.

As for internet anonymity, if they paid me (in a perfect world hahaha), I'd say exactly the same thing - this and everything else I ever say.

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#27 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:45:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, it's a ridiculous drum he's been banging for ages.

What does he have to do to not be stat-whoring? Throw it into triple coverage a bit more?

On topic, I don't know if the team will suddenly stand up and do a lot better than they used to. It's one of those things that barely ever happens, yet, seems to quite often, since it gets blown out of proportion. We'll just be decent and that's it.

Let's just see if we can keep around .500 'till Rodgers returns. Seems pretty doable to me with our upcoming schedule.


Well, he could stop passing up open guys underneath in order to throw deep. In doing so, he could stop holding the ball for 8 seconds.

He could develop a willingness to throw Hail Marys at the end of the half, risking an INT on his stat sheet. Shit like that.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:50:16 PM(UTC)
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You're such a fricken hypocrit.

You were the fisrt and most vocal of anyone as you threw player after player under the bus in Live chat during Monday's game.
Then you come up with your favorite "stat-whoring" comment, which has been proven wrong time and time again, yet you fail to see the ignorance in the statement.

Now it seems you have come up with a new "nerdman favorite" Fundamentals, as if The Packers have been playing out of control, not adhering to basics that they have learned from day 1.

Come Sunday if plays don't go exactly as you think they should, you will once again be the 1st to throw players under the bus, and start whining how this should be done and that should be done.

Now you want everyone to "be with you" like you are the only one who has any confidence in The Packers as a team to grind through this latest setback?

You like over/unders...here's a few for you.

How many time will you claim a packer has failed"?

How many time will you claim a Packer has "sh!t shemsives"?

How many time will "bad fundamentals" be the reason a player was beaten or the other team makes a successful play?

Heres my favorite...How many times will you be absolutley wrong when you give your nerdman play by play instant analysis with only a tv view of the game?


Actually I've stated that since all these WRs have been down, they've actually BEEN adhering to fundamentals. Remember the Queens game? Queens D had nothing left. ToP, baby.

Yeah, during games, players often screw up. For instance, in this last game. The D sucked shit. There were many back breaking plays.

As for "being with me," you may or may not. I don't really care. lol Not take your meds. Your'e getting all huffy again.
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#29 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 4:58:29 PM(UTC)
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Dude I'm not huffy, just trying to help you not look like a fool.

Whatever, you obviously played the game at a high level, then you must have coached, since you seem to see things that nobody else ever does.



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#30 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 5:07:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Well, he could stop passing up open guys underneath in order to throw deep. In doing so, he could stop holding the ball for 8 seconds.

He could develop a willingness to throw Hail Marys at the end of the half, risking an INT on his stat sheet. sh!t like that.


Why on earth are you censoring the word shit in the least effective way you could?

Anyway, if anything, having a high completion rate ups your stats, doesn't it? Or is he only stat-whoring for yards? I feel like you have some inside knowledge on this or something.

Also, how often have you sat in your chair, thinking it was the perfect time for a hail mary? I'm convinced that he does it when the game is on the line. At halftime, I'm also pretty sure that he isn't the one who fully decides whether they take a knee, throw one into the endzone or kick a field goal.

While I agree that sometimes it is a bit annoying that he misses a wide open guy in the flat and just heaves another one downfield, I don't see how you've come to the conclusion that it's for stat whoring purposes. Seems like a thing you do regurarly, draw conclusions that have no factual (or even reasonable at times) basis and just run with them.

EDIT: Ah, the whole shit censoring thing is automatic. Sorry for that one.
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#31 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 5:18:46 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
Why on earth are you censoring the word sh!t in the least effective way you could?

Anyway, if anything, having a high completion rate ups your stats, doesn't it? Or is he only stat-whoring for yards? I feel like you have some inside knowledge on this or something.

Also, how often have you sat in your chair, thinking it was the perfect time for a hail mary? I'm convinced that he does it when the game is on the line. At halftime, I'm also pretty sure that he isn't the one who fully decides whether they take a knee, throw one into the endzone or kick a field goal.

While I agree that sometimes it is a bit annoying that he misses a wide open guy in the flat and just heaves another one downfield, I don't see how you've come to the conclusion that it's for stat whoring purposes. Seems like a thing you do regurarly, draw conclusions that have no factual (or even reasonable at times) basis and just run with them.

EDIT: Ah, the whole sh!t censoring thing is automatic. Sorry for that one.


It seems to me that Mike and Aaron are obsessed with breaking Favre's records. They want YARDS. They want chunks of yards, and they want to score fast, so they have more opportunities to get more yards.

They've been playing more fundamentally sound of late, though.
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#32 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 5:44:47 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It seems to me that Mike and Aaron are obsessed with breaking Favre's records. They want YARDS. They want chunks of yards, and they want to score fast, so they have more opportunities to get more yards.

They've been playing more fundamentally sound of late, though.


I don't see how it's more reasonable to you that Mike and Aaron are a duo of Scooby-doo like villians who are on a quest to be superior to Brett and want to show that by means of breaking a passing record, than it being a flaw in Aaron's game, always looking deep and missing the short completion.

You're implying they might be hurting the entire team so they can stick it to Brett. That they won a Super Bowl, not playing to the top of their abilities, but while trying to amass as many pass yards as possible.

If anything, that game against a ridiculously porous Lions defense, the one that Flynn absolutely lit up, shows that it's not about the yards and stats. Aaron could've had Brady's record there, could've gone over 5000 yards and he sat it out.
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#33 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:24:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
I don't see how it's more reasonable to you that Mike and Aaron are a duo of Scooby-doo like villians who are on a quest to be superior to Brett and want to show that by means of breaking a passing record, than it being a flaw in Aaron's game, always looking deep and missing the short completion.

You're implying they might be hurting the entire team so they can stick it to Brett. That they won a Super Bowl, not playing to the top of their abilities, but while trying to amass as many pass yards as possible.

If anything, that game against a ridiculously porous Lions defense, the one that Flynn absolutely lit up, shows that it's not about the yards and stats. Aaron could've had Brady's record there, could've gone over 5000 yards and he sat it out.


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#34 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:24:50 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rockmolder Go to Quoted Post
I don't see how it's more reasonable to you that Mike and Aaron are a duo of Scooby-doo like villians who are on a quest to be superior to Brett and want to show that by means of breaking a passing record, than it being a flaw in Aaron's game, always looking deep and missing the short completion.

You're implying they might be hurting the entire team so they can stick it to Brett. That they won a Super Bowl, not playing to the top of their abilities, but while trying to amass as many pass yards as possible.

If anything, that game against a ridiculously porous Lions defense, the one that Flynn absolutely lit up, shows that it's not about the yards and stats. Aaron could've had Brady's record there, could've gone over 5000 yards and he sat it out.


Two years before that, he could have had Dickey's record. He went until he hit Favre's record, then he sat.

It just seems to me that, until around week 10, Mike and Aaron are racking up stats. Once the playoff race heats up, they start to get more serious.

You know how Aaron takes everything as a personal Sleight, right? Chip on his shoulder and all that? You don't think that Favre situation effected him?
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#35 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:38:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
It seems to me that Mike and Aaron are obsessed with breaking Favre's records. They want YARDS. They want chunks of yards, and they want to score fast, so they have more opportunities to get more yards.

They've been playing more fundamentally sound of late, though.

...........PLAYER...................ttl yds YAC....yds per catch

102 Jermichael Finley....... 300.....235
103 Jordy Nelson..............716.... 223
104 Randall Cobb.............378.... 177
105 James Jones..............366.....177
106 Jarrett Boykin GB.......250.....110
107 Eddie Lacy...................78.......98
108 James Starks...............44.......53
109 Myles White.................52......43
110 Andrew Quarless.........75......38
111 Johnathan Franklin......30......28
112 John Kuhn...................24......24
.....................................2,313...1206.....52% YAC

I posted this for you a couple weeks ago, trying to get you to realize you are seeing something that is not there.
At the time the YAC was 48% of ttl ydg, now it is 52%, that does include last weeks game so there is a 100 or so yds that belong to Senaca.

http://www.sportingchart...ds-after-the-catch/2013/
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#36 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:46:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
...........PLAYER...................ttl yds YAC....yds per catch

102 Jermichael Finley....... 300.....235
103 Jordy Nelson..............716.... 223
104 Randall Cobb.............378.... 177
105 James Jones..............366.....177
106 Jarrett Boykin GB.......250.....110
107 Eddie Lacy...................78.......98
108 James Starks...............44.......53
109 Myles White.................52......43
110 Andrew Quarless.........75......38
111 Johnathan Franklin......30......28
112 John Kuhn...................24......24
.....................................2,313...1206.....52% YAC

I posted this for you a couple weeks ago, trying to get you to realize you are seeing something that is not there.
At the time the YAC was 48% of ttl ydg, now it is 52%, that does include last weeks game so there is a 100 or so yds that belong to Senaca.

http://www.sportingchart...ds-after-the-catch/2013/


So you're finally admitting I was right?
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#37 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:54:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
So you're finally admitting I was right?


Are You fricken insane? over half of Aarons ttl ydg has come after the catch. The same goes for 2012.......4177 ttl ydg. 2092 YAC 50.2%

Do you not understand that Aaron is NOT firing the ball down the field all the time, stat -whoring as you call it.
Oh hell nevermind, YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!


http://www.sportingchart...rodgers/#Passing%20Yards$GameType=279588574&SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990



lLook at it avg yds per catch 8.5. I hate brining up actual stats, just to make you look foolish, but since you don't seem to understand anything else.

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#38 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:00:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Are You fricken insane? over half of Aarons ttl ydg has come after the catch. The same goes for 2012.......4177 ttl ydg. 2092 YAC 50.2%

Do you not understand that Aaron is NOT firing the ball down the field all the time, stat -whoring as you call it.
Oh hell nevermind, YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!


http://www.sportingchart...rodgers/#Passing%20Yards$GameType=279588574&SeasonMax=9999&SeasonMin=1990



lLook at it avg yds per catch 8.5. I hate brining up actual stats, just to make you look foolish, but since you don't seem to understand anything else.


According to your post, YAC increased recently. That would coincide with throwing shorter, due to the injury situation.

Just because Aaron's throwing deep, doesn't mean Jordy and the boys are gonna fall down as soon as they catch the ball. Hell, even Finley hasn't been doing that. lol
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#39 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:36:25 PM(UTC)
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Rodgers has thrown a higher % of passes 20+ yards this year than he did in 2011.
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#40 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:44:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
According to your post, YAC increased recently. That would coincide with throwing shorter, due to the injury situation.

Just because Aaron's throwing deep, doesn't mean Jordy and the boys are gonna fall down as soon as they catch the ball. Hell, even Finley hasn't been doing that. lol


I tried to make you see what a dumbass statement you are making in stat-whoring, but of course YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE HARD NUMBERS.

Glad I don't live in your world.

Really has to be a scary place at times.
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#41 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:50:10 PM(UTC)
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It seems to me that Mike and Aaron are obsessed with breaking Favre's records. They want YARDS. They want chunks of yards, and they want to score fast, so they have more opportunities to get more yards.

They've been playing more fundamentally sound of late, though.


That doesn't really explain why the last few years Aaron has only been 14th 16th and 10th in pass attempts.
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#42 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:02:37 PM(UTC)
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How about this compared to "dink and dunkers" Tom Brady and Drew Brees last year

Passes thrown 10 or less yards from the line of scrimmage:

Drew Brees 67%
Aaron Rodgers 68.5%
Tom Brady 69%

The Packers under McCarthy/Rodgers throw most of their passes short they also throw a fair amount of deep passes but it looks like they throw deep more often because Rodgers is so efficient at it. Relatively speaking when he goes deep Rodgers rarely misses.

It isn't "stat-whoring" it's called "winning"
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Well, he could stop passing up open guys underneath in order to throw deep. In doing so, he could stop holding the ball for 8 seconds.

He could develop a willingness to throw Hail Marys at the end of the half, risking an INT on his stat sheet. sh!t like that.


no because throwing deep when the play isn't open would be stat whoring. By your own admission Aaron is not a stat whore.
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I tried to make you see what a dumbass statement you are making in stat-whoring, but of course YOU REFUSE TO BELIEVE HARD NUMBERS.

Glad I don't live in your world.

Really has to be a scary place at times.


Your attempt really only supported my own position.

So yeah, I'll take the hard numbers. lol
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That doesn't really explain why the last few years Aaron has only been 14th 16th and 10th in pass attempts.


We're a good team, so we're not in a position of having to pass in order to try to come back late in games.

And anyway, Aaron's not really known for his comebacks, is he? lol
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no because throwing deep when the play isn't open would be stat whoring. By your own admission Aaron is not a stat whore.


He'll throw the ball up, just not when it's an end of half situation.
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We're a good team, so we're not in a position of having to pass in order to try to come back late in games.

And anyway, Aaron's not really known for his comebacks, is he? lol


I feel like the best opportunity to "stat whore" would be if you had a big lead late in the game. You can rack up a ton of yards/points with no risk to winning or losing the game. Doesn't make sense for them to pass up that opportunity.
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I feel like the best opportunity to "stat whore" would be if you had a big lead late in the game. You can rack up a ton of yards/points with no risk to winning or losing the game. Doesn't make sense for them to pass up that opportunity.


I think they tend to do it more earlier in the season. Later in the season they do focus more on playoff contention.
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I think they tend to do it more earlier in the season. Later in the season they do focus more on playoff contention.


What does that even mean? Rodgers pass attempts are typically low for a franchise QB and you say it's because he doesn't pass much late in games which is a prime opportunity to rack up stats. Your argument doesn't hold water. Are you going to give us anything that backs up what you think or just keep spewing this nonsense that has no factual basis?

With how much you act like this is happening you'd think it would be a fairly easy thing for you to point out and prove but so far you've got NOTHING. Come on man show us all of this stat whoring that's going on.

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!!
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