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nerdmann  
#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:56:44 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
The only real gripe I have with Wallace is his height. 5'11. Other than that, lets give him time with the starters before we write him off completely.


He measured 6' 1" at the combine.
nerdmann  
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 7:59:12 PM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, let's trot out a QB's record as a reason for why they should/should not be the QB, because, you know, there aren't 52 other players on the team. Tim Tebow has a winning record. But please, wins and losses are all on the quarterbacks. Utterly spastic.

I think there is an honest debate between who would have done better for us between Young and Wallace. That's a knock on both. There's a reason why Young doesn't have a job in the NFL despite all the quarterbacks that have dropped like flies this year. A 97 year old Brett Favre got a call before Vince Young.

I'm not even going to dignify Coleman or Harrell.

I'm willing to give Wallace a chance to be a stopgap this week, in part because there is a difference between being thrown in on a surprise injury versus preparing for the week (for everyone that clamored for Flynn to come back on this site or otherwise, no one seems to recall his abysmal performance in Detroit when Rodgers got concussed), and in part because there aren't a ton of viable options out there. Lots of teams don't have a starting quarterback, let alone a backup.

Yes that performance was disappointing. Yes we should be looking at all our options. No, we shouldn't hit the panic button and completely write off Wallace. It's Canadian football for him: he's f*cked up first down, and now he gets second down or he has to punt (incidentally, probably to the CFL).

The backup this week needs to prepare himself as if he will be the starter. We need to have that contingency plan this week. It will be interesting to see how things go.


Yeah, Seneca gets his fair shot.

If you could put Seneca's brain into Vince's body, you'd have the perfect QB.

Same thing with Harrell and Coleman. I think Seneca has a better presence out there though. He did tend to run backwards like George Plimpton a few times, but I don't think he's as intimidated by the stage as Harrell.

So we got guys with brains, lacking the physical tools and guys with tools lacking the brains. I guess the question is, which would you prefer?
Zero2Cool  
#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:17:44 PM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
(for everyone that clamored for Flynn to come back on this site or otherwise, no one seems to recall his abysmal performance in Detroit when Rodgers got concussed), and in part because there aren't a ton of viable options out there.


[mfing] [ass]

http://packershome.com/f.../t20514-Flynn-vs-Wallace
mi_keys  
#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:35:45 PM(UTC)


Sorry I'm not as quick to the punch as you... by a day. Some people definitely needed this reiterated... okay, I'm actually just plagiarizing you.
DakotaT  
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 8:55:50 PM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Sorry I'm not as quick to the punch as you... by a day. Some people definitely needed this reiterated... okay, I'm actually just plagiarizing you.


I don't have to start calling you Rand Keys do I?

Just tell Zero to go get bent. He's an accolade whore, who loves his little butt kissers around here who tell him how awesome he is.
mi_keys  
#26 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 9:47:11 PM(UTC)
DakotaT said: Go to Quoted Post
I don't have to start calling you Rand Keys do I?

Just tell Zero to go get bent. He's an accolade whore, who loves his little butt kissers around here who tell him how awesome he is.


I've been around since 2008. I'm well aware.

BTW, I have to be honest, I don't get the Rand Keys reference. What's that from?
DarkaneRules  
#27 Posted : Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:53:01 PM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
He measured 6' 1" at the combine.


Then he shrunk :-p Packers.com and his personal bio list him at 5'11. The other backup we have is 6'2.
Zero2Cool  
#28 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:14:21 AM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Sorry I'm not as quick to the punch as you... by a day. Some people definitely needed this reiterated... okay, I'm actually just plagiarizing you.


I do think it's good, but I just thought it was funny we have a thread dedicated to something you singled out as no one considering. :)

I'm starting Seneca Wallace on my fantasy team in place of Aaron Rodgers.

wpr  
#29 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 6:24:46 AM(UTC)
Bayliss is a tool's tool. I wouldn't waste my time ready his crap.

Ted did gamble at the QB position and has done so for years. Trouble is you can "win" with the gamble for years but when you are wrong the team is screwed up big time.

you can not have one backup in OTAs, drop him and pick up another in TC. Cut him and pick up still another once the season has begun and expect the QB to do anything. Right or wrong stick him one guy and team him the system.
buckeyepackfan  
#30 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:01:36 AM(UTC)
Batliss is a tool, there is a reason they call there set "the debate table", Johnathan A. usually takes one side and Bayliss takes the other, another of the ESPN shows that is more concerned about ratings, rather than actual facts in a lot of cases.

What pisses Bayliss off the most is that he can't get Aaron to "bite" and come on the show to debate him.

He knows the ratings would go through the roof if Aaron did that.

He wouldn't care if Aaron(and he probably would), would make him look like the fool he does most of the time because in ESPN's mind the show would be a success because of the huge rating boost.

Someday Bayliss might realize that Aaron Rodgers is way to smart to fall for such crap, if not, he will continue to spew his idiocy all over the ESPN airways hoping he will get a reaction from Packer fans.

The joke is on him, because the only forums I see benefitting is ones like this one, with posters who keep their comments here and don't fall for his dumbass remarks.

Edit: back on topic, looks like Ted and Mike have made the decision to stick with Wallace and Tolzien, their decisions have kept the Packers "in the hunt" the past 8 years, so I am not going to over react to anything until we all see just how much 6 days of preparation can do for Wallace and Tolzien.

These games could be "ugly", but if they can pull out a couple of wins the next 3 weeks it will be another successful "no move" on Teds part.
Yerko  
#31 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:51:16 AM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
You'll have to excuse me for being old, but I don't even know who Emma Watson is hahahaha.

I assume you saw the same preseason games I saw, and for sure you watched last Monday night. I rest my case.

A decent backup QB should be able to come in the game and do like Josh McCown did when Cutler went out for the Bears ....... or a helluva lot of other backup QBs before that. Vince Young's ability to run combined with the game Lacy had would have been enough to beat the Bears, and if you don't think he would have been able to throw better than Wallace, well, you're beyond help.

BTW, my wife is 28, and she doesn't know who Emma Watson is either.


May as well throw this in here since this is about Seneca. I was blown away after listening to the Tuesdays with Aaron yesterday when he said that Seneca maybe gets 4 snaps ALL WEEK with the starters. Mainly shocked because I really don't think Rodgers would need that much practice during the week anyways...then again with having new receivers/tight ends, I guess that changes slightly.

Regardless, Wallace took 4 snaps with the starters all week and then is thrown to the wolves against a rival. I'm not making excuses for the guy because I honestly think the Packers have shot themselves in the foot with this back-up situation but to only have 4 overall snaps with the starters in one week isn't going to set you up for much success come game time.

This is something Bayless wouldn't understand as he continues to stand on his tiny soapbox. To bring in someone like Vince Young would put us right back to where we were on Monday vs the Bears. Guaranteed that brain of VY's has already forgot about the Packers playbook.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#32 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:09:13 AM(UTC)
Vince Young's BRAIN a problem? Didn't they say that about, oh let's see, Terry Bradshaw? Phil Simms? and oh yeah, some guy named Favre?

This is the height of uninformed speculation. If somebody wanted to bring up his past psychological problems or whatever, fine, that was documented, I guess, although it is about equally speculative saying it might recur. But calling the guy stupid? Come on!

This is all irrelevant because apparently Vince Young isn't even being remotely considered. The discussion SHOULD be at this point, do the Packers just write off the Eagles game by using Wallace? Or do they get Tolzien in there and at least have some chance?
Pack93z  
#33 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:25:06 AM(UTC)
Vince Young is a run first pass second type player.. just like Wallace. How does that improve our chances? Young was the guy that didn't fit the offense in the preseason?

Will Wallace? Don't know.. but I certainly know this, the Packers will tailor the game plan this week for Wallace behind center.. bootleg and getting him to the edge of the defense more often. The one large limitation with Wallace.. I don't think he will scare the defense over the top.. so they are going to have to call a game much the same as last week with intermediate throws and probably a number of dig or drag routes trying to get the receivers some angles to get some YAC.

Personally.. I wish Coleman with that big arm developed and had enough time in the system to have more of the playbook available. But Young got here late this camp.. and quite honestly wouldn't be much more comfortable than Wallace at this point. Not sure about Flynn.. but if I had to guess, his is confidence has to broken to a point where he is not viable. Either that or he seriously burnt some bridges in Green Bay on the way out.


mi_keys  
#34 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:34:14 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
I do think it's good, but I just thought it was funny we have a thread dedicated to something you singled out as no one considering. :)

I'm starting Seneca Wallace on my fantasy team in place of Aaron Rodgers.



Learn to read, mate. I said "for everyone clamoring..." which implies there are those that don't fit in this bucket. I didn't say "everyone is clamoring..."
Zero2Cool  
#35 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:43:56 AM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
Learn to read, mate. I said "for everyone clamoring..." which implies there are those that don't fit in this bucket. I didn't say "everyone is clamoring..."


If I had known me linking that thread would throw you into making unnecessary rude comments, I'd have kept it to myself. My apologies.
DarkaneRules  
#36 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 11:46:19 AM(UTC)
I worry more about him seeing the passing lanes through with taller defensive players in his face. The protection on the edges just got that much more important. The defense needs to do a much better job at making the plays that are there as well. Packers.com showed some great cases where they were inches close to making a big play but just didn't get it done.
nerdmann  
#37 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:12:28 PM(UTC)
DarkaneRules said: Go to Quoted Post
I worry more about him seeing the passing lanes through with taller defensive players in his face. The protection on the edges just got that much more important. The defense needs to do a much better job at making the plays that are there as well. Packers.com showed some great cases where they were inches close to making a big play but just didn't get it done.


I think they're gonna roll him out and move the pocket for him a little bit. Mike will have some wrinkles.
sschind  
#38 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 1:06:51 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
Bayliss is a tool's tool. I wouldn't waste my time ready his crap.

Ted did gamble at the QB position and has done so for years. Trouble is you can "win" with the gamble for years but when you are wrong the team is screwed up big time.

you can not have one backup in OTAs, drop him and pick up another in TC. Cut him and pick up still another once the season has begun and expect the QB to do anything. Right or wrong stick him one guy and team him the system.


I hear you and for the most part I agree but the thing is you (maybe not you specifically but so many people TBP for instance) are saying that Wallace was a bad gamble after one poor showing in a game for which he had very little to no preparation. We have no way of knowing right now if this team is screwed or not. We may be and after this Sunday we will have a better idea but for now, no matter what some people would have you believe, we simply don't have enough information to reliably say one way or the other. We all have our opinions but you know what they say about opinions.




mi_keys  
#39 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 7:36:54 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
If I had known me linking that thread would throw you into making unnecessary rude comments, I'd have kept it to myself. My apologies.


Lol, okay. Bit rich considering you used the asshole and flip the bird emoticons but I find it entertaining.
wpr  
#40 Posted : Thursday, November 7, 2013 9:16:09 PM(UTC)
sschind said: Go to Quoted Post
I hear you and for the most part I agree but the thing is you (maybe not you specifically but so many people TBP for instance) are saying that Wallace was a bad gamble after one poor showing in a game for which he had very little to no preparation. We have no way of knowing right now if this team is screwed or not. We may be and after this Sunday we will have a better idea but for now, no matter what some people would have you believe, we simply don't have enough information to reliably say one way or the other. We all have our opinions but you know what they say about opinions.





I am not basing my opinion on 1 game.
Actually we do have enough data on Seneca to make an informed decision. he has been on 5 other teams. There are some poor GMs and HCs out there but what are the odds that all of them are wrong? Its slim.
I can wait around for 3-4 weeks and say Wallace stinks or I can say what I think right now before all the "proof" is in. I would like to be wrong. I will be at the game Sunday with my son. I am not saying Gb won't win any games while Aaron is out. I am saying Wallace is not a quality starting QB at this stage of his career and if GB wins it will be because other players win it or because Philly loses it.
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