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Offline nerdmann  
#16 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:26:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
This just in- being out of position= getting beat.



If they can't do any worse they have to show improvement. But that may not really mean a whole lot. Just a different level of sucky.


Getting beat means, the dude runs past you. Being out of position means you're covering the wrong guy/area of the field.

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#17 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:27:40 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
How many more years of our future HOF quarterback's career do we need to waste? I've seen this movie before, only it was being pissed away by an offensive line coach somehow over promoted to head coach/GM. Now we have a stubborn GM, who by the luck of a little timely football has a super bowl trophy, but I don't see another one coming unless we patch up some holes.


Ted gets us players, imo.

Mike just doesn't have them ready to play.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:33:51 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
How many more years of our future HOF quarterback's career do we need to waste? I've seen this movie before, only it was being pissed away by an offensive line coach somehow over promoted to head coach/GM. Now we have a stubborn GM, who by the luck of a little timely football has a super bowl trophy, but I don't see another one coming unless we patch up some holes.


Almost assuredly all of them. There is absolutely no incentive on the part of the Packers organization to spend money and bring in new players outside the draft or whatever is available wandering the streets and begging for a job.

They have a nucleus that will win more games than they lose. Because of this they will continue to sellout their games. They will continue to have a waiting list for season tickets. They have a ready made fan base of people who actually think they are owners of the team. They even let them show up for a meeting once a year so the fans can pretend to have a voice in the organizational decisions.

The fans will continue to buy the merchandise. They will continue to travel to Mecca and tour the facility spending tons of money in the process.

What is going to change that would require the Packers to field a Super Bowl caliber team instead of a better than average team that just might get lucky and win it all. The fans have repeatedly showed they are fine with this.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:37:50 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann Go to Quoted Post
Getting beat means, the dude runs past you. Being out of position means you're covering the wrong guy/area of the field.



There are so many ways to get beat.
A defender could slip and fall and get beat.
A defender could get picked by another offensive player and get beat.
A defender could have the offensive player run past him and get beat.
A defender could be out of position and can't get to the offensive player and get beat.

They all have the same results. You can take as narrow of a view as you wish. that is fine with me. I look a the results and they are all the same. The defender did not do his job and the offense got yards and maybe a td thus the defender got beat.
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Offline steveishere  
#20 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:58:23 AM(UTC)
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Yeah, the Packers weren't actually a good team in 2010 they just "got lucky" Face. Palm.
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#21 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 8:59:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
There are so many ways to get beat.
A defender could slip and fall and get beat.
A defender could get picked by another offensive player and get beat.
A defender could have the offensive player run past him and get beat.
A defender could be out of position and can't get to the offensive player and get beat.

They all have the same results. You can take as narrow of a view as you wish. that is fine with me. I look a the results and they are all the same. The defender did not do his job and the offense got yards and maybe a td thus the defender got beat.


It could be a bad play call that makes a defender out of position even if he does his job how he's supposed to and still gets beat.
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#22 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:08:41 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
Almost assuredly all of them. There is absolutely no incentive on the part of the Packers organization to spend money and bring in new players outside the draft or whatever is available wandering the streets and begging for a job.

They have a nucleus that will win more games than they lose. Because of this they will continue to sellout their games. They will continue to have a waiting list for season tickets. They have a ready made fan base of people who actually think they are owners of the team. They even let them show up for a meeting once a year so the fans can pretend to have a voice in the organizational decisions.

The fans will continue to buy the merchandise. They will continue to travel to Mecca and tour the facility spending tons of money in the process.

What is going to change that would require the Packers to field a Super Bowl caliber team instead of a better than average team that just might get lucky and win it all. The fans have repeatedly showed they are fine with this.


What do you expect them to be "the best" team every fucking year? Better than average every single year is what you should expect because NOBODY has a Super Bowl team EVERY YEAR. My god we have some spoiled ass fans around here. You should be able to enjoy the fact that you get to watch high level competitive football every season with a shot at a Superbowl every now and then.

Baltimore got knocked out in the divisional round a couple times before they went to the SB
Patriots did the same before they made the superbowl in 2011
NO has missed the playoffs a couple times with Drew Brees and have had some WC and Divional losses
Giants miss the playoffs more than they make it
Steelers have been down for a couple years
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#23 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 9:52:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Yeah, the Packers weren't actually a good team in 2010 they just "got lucky" Face. Palm.


The LUCK was in having Aaron Rodgers fall to the Packers in the draft. THAT may be second only to the coin toss that brought Alcindor/Kareem to Milwaukee.

Other than that, though, and getting Matthews, Ted Thompson has been way below average in procuring quality players.

But we still could win it all this year - having Aaron Rodgers masks all weaknesses - O Line, D, RBs until this season, etc. With him out, it all comes to the surface.

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#24 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 10:07:49 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
The LUCK was in having Aaron Rodgers fall to the Packers in the draft. THAT may be second only to the coin toss that brought Alcindor/Kareem to Milwaukee.

Other than that, though, and getting Matthews, Ted Thompson has been way below average in procuring quality players.

But we still could win it all this year - having Aaron Rodgers masks all weaknesses - O Line, D, RBs until this season, etc. With him out, it all comes to the surface.



Right I forgot how bad that defense was in 2010 especially in the playoffs. That run was all Rodgers and luck, no one else on the team had anything to do with it.
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#25 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:32:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: wpr Go to Quoted Post
There are so many ways to get beat.
A defender could slip and fall and get beat.
A defender could get picked by another offensive player and get beat.
A defender could have the offensive player run past him and get beat.
A defender could be out of position and can't get to the offensive player and get beat.

They all have the same results. You can take as narrow of a view as you wish. that is fine with me. I look a the results and they are all the same. The defender did not do his job and the offense got yards and maybe a td thus the defender got beat.


If your guy is constantly getting beat, then he's to slow, not big enough, lazy or just not athletically gifted. In this case, you look to the GM.

If the dude is in the wrong position, maybe you need to look to your coaching staff.

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#26 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:34:13 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
The LUCK was in having Aaron Rodgers fall to the Packers in the draft. THAT may be second only to the coin toss that brought Alcindor/Kareem to Milwaukee.

Other than that, though, and getting Matthews, Ted Thompson has been way below average in procuring quality players.

But we still could win it all this year - having Aaron Rodgers masks all weaknesses - O Line, D, RBs until this season, etc. With him out, it all comes to the surface.



Bullshit.

Ted hired Mike TO DEVELOP Aaron. Aaron wasn't a great pick per se. He wasn't gonna learn (or do) shit under Sherman and Rosseley.

That said, Ted has done an all time GREAT job stocking this team with talent. I'd take him over any GM in the league except maybe Ozzie Newsome.
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#27 Posted : Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:38:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steveishere Go to Quoted Post
Right I forgot how bad that defense was in 2010 especially in the playoffs. That run was all Rodgers and luck, no one else on the team had anything to do with it.


Winning the Superbowl is all about making the playoffs, and going from there.

There aren't really any "dominant" teams in the NFL anymore, per se. It's all just about getting to the playoffs and winning out. Anything can happen once you get there.

Sure, it helps to have your guys healthy and to have superior coordination on O and D. It helps to be the best team. But the best team doesn't always win it all.

If you make the playoffs, let's say you have a 20% chance to win it all. The way to win the Superbowl is to get into that position where you have that 20% chance, as often as possible. Chances are, if you do that 5 times, you'll win out once.
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