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Offline Dulak  
#41 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:45:38 AM(UTC)
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play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
You're right Cheesey. 5 INTs in 2 games. Those were big. If we could take 3 of those back, maybe we are 7-3 right now, instead of 5-5.

I'm not saying Flynn is good, healthy, able to make all the throws. Just that he knows the system far better than Tolzien, and has guided this Packers team to a win before. We essentially have to win out to make the playoffs. Sustaining another loss due to freakish INTs is not going to do it. We need a QB who can play a very careful game back there, with all of the chips on the line. Flynn has won a National Championship, and backed up a Super Bowl winner. I simply trust Flynn to get the job done at this point more than I do Tolzien.

I do believe both Flynn and Tolzien can win against MIN on Sunday. However, the following week v. DET might be another thing altogether. Given that, I would rather have Flynn have this MIN game to get into some kind of groove to better prepare for that Thanksgiving Day game in DET. Again, we have to win out.

This staff clearly likes Tolzien for this week better. Maybe the kid can do it. I have my doubts though after the way all of our plays were telegraphed to the NYG defense prior to the snap. They knew exactly what we were going to do. How far was Tolzien able to work in the progressions? What kind of adjustments was he able to make at the line of scrimmage? The kid has been on just the Practice Squad since Sept 2nd. Signed to the roster Nov. 6th. That was TWO WEEKS AGO! That is not a lot of time to know the system. Flynn has been an integral part of the Packers system for 4 solid years, 2008-20012, in the QB meeting room, competing for roster spots, backing up Rodgers, etc. To me, it seems like a no-brainer.


I agree - ok ok Tolzien is new and wed like him to be a good backup; but like play2win said 5 INTs in 2 games killed it for us. Thats game over; Just like running backs need ball security else we lose games - same goes with QBs. Its great he can throw bombs; but that wont help if the other team is scoring more due to our INTs.

Remember when the giants were the worst team in the NFL ... we lost to them ... now the vikings ... and then lions ... got some peeps coming over for thanksgiving here in the UK Id at least like to show them a team that isnt going to suck that bad ... I dont want to have to say "normally we would of won this game but blah blah blah".
Offline nerdmann  
#42 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:48:23 AM(UTC)
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Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
I agree - ok ok Tolzien is new and wed like him to be a good backup; but like play2win said 5 INTs in 2 games killed it for us. Thats game over; Just like running backs need ball security else we lose games - same goes with QBs. Its great he can throw bombs; but that wont help if the other team is scoring more due to our INTs.

Remember when the giants were the worst team in the NFL ... we lost to them ... now the vikings ... and then lions ... got some peeps coming over for thanksgiving here in the UK Id at least like to show them a team that isnt going to suck that bad ... I dont want to have to say "normally we would of won this game but blah blah blah".


We lost to them, because Mike wouldn't let Tolzien throw past the "9 men in the box." Why do you think that JPP interception happened?

It wasn't on Tolzien, that was on Mike.
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#43 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:06:32 PM(UTC)
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Cheesey said: Go to Quoted Post
Hazer...you ask why? Because we have seen what
Tolzien can do, and are not sure he
can win for us.
What have we to lose ?


What have we to lose? How about a game and a possible shot at the playoffs. We are not sure Flynn can win for us either. Just because he played out of his mind in one game a couple of years ago does not mean he can do it again especially when he hasn't done anything close to it since. Not that he would have to play out of his mind to beat the vikings but I think Tolzien can do just as well.



Offline steveishere  
#44 Posted : Thursday, November 21, 2013 6:10:38 AM(UTC)
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Flynn lost the first game and a half he played for us as well. He didn't throw 5 INTs but he did have some really bad INTs with 1 being a pick 6 in a game we lost by 4.
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nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
No way. Tolzien is the man.


Knew that was bogus when you said it too.
Offline nerdmann  
#46 Posted : Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:33:48 PM(UTC)
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Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Knew that was bogus when you said it too.


Tolzien had his shot. Now Flynn is the man. He's earned it.

Tolzien still has developmental potential, but Flynn looks like his arm is just fine. Loved the moxie on that 4th down play to go with the hard count!
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#47 Posted : Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:40:38 PM(UTC)
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PackFanWithTwins said: Go to Quoted Post
It is a lot easier to come in and play in replacement of Rodgers, when you are throwing to Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Finley. Than when you come in missing 2 of the top 5 receiving options and missing one or two starting Olineman.


True... but you also have to factor in Eddie Lacy and the running game. Which helps currently compared to the past.


As far as Flynn against the Lions in the past, I say people overlook the biggest two factors in that game. 1) When healthy the Lions DBs were VERY bad. 2) The Lions were missing their two 2 DBs due to injury that game and the guys starting on the Lions that game were horrible as starters.



Last game against the Lions, they ran a lot of wide 9 defense, which is strong with pass rush and weak in run defense putting a lot on the shoulders of their DTs.

Packers won and their new running game won that battle.

It will be interesting to see if they try that again or not. Or what new thing they try. I kind of hope they go to the wide 9 again, because if gives the Packers OL a chance of running the ball on those DTs.

Either way the Packers have to stop the Lions offense some how.
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#48 Posted : Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:53:41 PM(UTC)
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Flynn showed he can move the team. He has
the expierience to at least give us a chance.
That said, I hope Aaron Rodgers can play. We have a
legitimate chance to stay in the playoff
hunt and need a win against the Lions.
Offline steveishere  
#49 Posted : Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:19:02 PM(UTC)
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I was wrong about Flynn. During the Raiders game earlier this year he played with 0 confidence which is understandable I guess and I was worried about his arm but when he got in today his confidence and leadership was obvious. The team rallied behind him. He didn't do anything too special out there besides that throw to Boykin but you can see a big difference between him and anyone else we've had in there as far as just directing and leading the team. At this point I'd be comfortable if Ted Thompson gave Flynn a decent sized back up contract to lock him up for future years. It would be nice to have a back up that's more gifted physically but that leadership isn't really something you can teach.
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#50 Posted : Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:29:55 PM(UTC)
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steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
I was wrong about Flynn. During the Raiders game earlier this year he played with 0 confidence which is understandable I guess and I was worried about his arm but when he got in today his confidence and leadership was obvious. The team rallied behind him. He didn't do anything too special out there besides that throw to Boykin but you can see a big difference between him and anyone else we've had in there as far as just directing and leading the team. At this point I'd be comfortable if Ted Thompson gave Flynn a decent sized back up contract to lock him up for future years. It would be nice to have a back up that's more gifted physically but that leadership isn't really something you can teach.


Yeah, lock him down.
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