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Not pinning this loss on Tolzien, but I just think it couldn't hurt to see if Flynn can give us a spark. |
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla  Not pinning this loss on Tolzien, but I just think it couldn't hurt to see if Flynn can give us a spark. No way. Tolzien is the man. |
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I think Mike McCarthy will take a look at Flynn in practice but I'm guessing Mike McCarthy will stick with Tolzien.
Though I do have to wonder if Flynn might of won that game... I mean Tolzien did well other than two rookie type mistakes and a great play by the DE. Flynn might not of made those mistakes. But is Flynn 100% and is he the same old Flynn? If so he might get a look this week, if not he's probably not going to.
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Aaron Rodgers will be starting. |
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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla Not pinning this loss on Tolzien, but I just think it couldn't hurt to see if Flynn can give us a spark. Take that clipboard out of McCarthy's hand and let a real play caller, call the game. This loss is on the HC. He is a frickin idiot. Time and time again, when the running game is working, he decides to throw the ball when close to the endzone. Today was just the opposite, the running game was not working so he starts to throw the ball and it was working, then he gives it back to the running game which failed big time As far as your thought about putting in Flynn is asinine.Tolzien did great. McCrappy is the one who put the pressure on Tolzien And where is any emotion on this team. They all look like deer in the headlights Message modified by user Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:22:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: packerfanoutwest Take that clipboard out of McCarthy's hand and let a real play caller, call the game. This loss is on the HC. He is a frickin idiot. Time and time again, when the running game is working, he decides to throw the ball when close to the endzone. Today was just the opposite, the running game was not working so he starts to throw the ball and it was working, then he gives it back to the running game which failed big time
As far as your thought about putting in Flynn is asinine.Tolzien did great. McCrappy is the one who put the pressure on Tolzien
And where is any emotion on this team. They all look like deer in the headlights When Pierre Paul publicly states in the press that he knew what play was coming and that's how he got the pick six, that should tell you all you need to know. |
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Originally Posted by: packerfanoutwest Tolzien did great. If that's your definition of "great," you have very low standards. Yes, Tolzien made some nice throws, but he also made some horrible decisions, which essentially made him break even, at best. Moving the ball well doesn't mean much if you can't capitalize and score touch downs. It's certainly not all on Tolzien by any means, but he has to play MUCH better if the Packers are to ever win a game with him as the quarterback. Especially since the defense sucks.
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower If that's your definition of "great," you have very low standards. Yes, Tolzien made some nice throws, but he also made some horrible decisions, which essentially made him break even, at best. Moving the ball well doesn't mean much if you can't capitalize and score touch downs. It's certainly not all on Tolzien by any means, but he has to play MUCH better if the Packers are to ever win a game with him as the quarterback. Especially since the defense sucks.
Agreed. I would not say that Tolzien sucked but there were definite flaws with his execution. Still interested to see him grow (ideally as a backup). |
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I don't know enough about Flynn's current condition to comment on his ability to start. Tolzien was OK - not great, but showed signs he could be a decent backup. Personally I'm not ready to trash the guy yet since he had some very good moments, as well as some bad moments, but he has so very little experience - no training camp, running the scout offense until 2 weeks ago.
I was very surprised to see how many runs were attempted in the red zone when they weren't working anywhere else. I didn't see that as a way to set Tolzien and the team up for success in scoring TDs. It's was kinda brutal to watch actually.
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Originally Posted by: dyeah_gb Agreed. I would not say that Tolzien sucked but there were definite flaws with his execution. Still interested to see him grow (ideally as a backup).
I like him more than Harrell or Coleman. He's pretty much them combined. Full offseason with McCarthy and he could be pretty damn good. Played 2 games and ending up with 1 TD 5 INT is not good. But he gives me hope for a backup next year. Think his problem is he is a super gun slinger. Forces to many passes. He needs to learn if it's not there don't throw it. Obviously we were down all game, but he needs to be aware of these things. One thing Wallace did to well (except Peppers pick) was take care of the ball for the most part.
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Originally Posted by: Gaycandybacon I like him more than Harrell or Coleman. He's pretty much them combined. Full offseason with McCarthy and he could be pretty damn good. Played 2 games and ending up with 1 TD 5 INT is not good. But he gives me hope for a backup next year. Think his problem is he is a super gun slinger. Forces to many passes. He needs to learn if it's not there don't throw it. Obviously we were down all game, but he needs to be aware of these things. One thing Wallace did to well (except Peppers pick) was take care of the ball for the most part. I thought the problem with him was that they were being overly conservative until it was way too late. Bamming Lacy into the line for 1.8 per carry all day was only serving to put Tolzien into repeated third and long situation. When they unleashed Tolzien down the field, he looked quite good imo. The JPP INT was one of those idiotic, annoying short passes. With an offseason "Mike McCarthy QB School" under his belt, the sky's the limit. Doesn't seem real agile as far as scrambling, but he can move around. His arm is stronger than billed. He's apparently willing to work hard and study. And he also put this loss all on his own shoulders after the game, so he's apparently a stand up dude. |
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Tolzien is fine for another game until Rodgers is healthy and for the rest of the year. But I fully expect to have Flynn continue to be the backup going into next season. It is the perfect job for him ala Doug Pederson back in Favre's day. |
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann I thought the problem with him was that they were being overly conservative until it was way too late. Bamming Lacy into the line for 1.8 per carry all day was only serving to put Tolzien into repeated third and long situation.
When they unleashed Tolzien down the field, he looked quite good imo. The JPP INT was one of those idiotic, annoying short passes.
With an offseason "Mike McCarthy QB School" under his belt, the sky's the limit. Doesn't seem real agile as far as scrambling, but he can move around. His arm is stronger than billed. He's apparently willing to work hard and study. And he also put this loss all on his own shoulders after the game, so he's apparently a stand up dude. Getting some QB schooling could do a lot for him, then again it's not like he's a rookie, he's already got a couple years of NFL QB schooling from the 49ers who have a pretty good O coach themselves (and might be the reason he looks as good as he does now). So Mike McCarthy schooling could do a lot for him, or might do very little. But I agree with others than say he's better than the back-ups we started the year with. Also it seemed like Tolzien was best throwing the deep ball and not having read the field as much. I wonder if the Packers might be able to spread the field and play a scheme like the Eagles have at times. Meaning spread the field and run a lot of deep routes. The OL would have to hold up enough for that, but if they get a defense on their heels just a bit with it, then that should open up the running game which IF they get that going again should open up the deep passes even more. High risk, high reward, but it makes the field more simple which can help a QB trying to read the field if they have enough time. |
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Originally Posted by: nerdmann The JPP INT was one of those idiotic, annoying short passes. I thought you loved those "high percentage" passes?
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Tolzien made some decent throws but the loss is on him more than any other individual. He did not have a good overall game at all. As a back up QB you have to protect the ball. It doesn't matter how many good plays he made when his mistakes were so crucial they didn't even give the team a chance.
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