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Offline beast  
#1 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:06:38 PM(UTC)
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Can the Packers beat Vikings without Rodgers?


Can the Packers beat Lions without Rodgers?

Will Rodgers be back for the Lions game?
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#2 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:17:42 PM(UTC)
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Still only 1 game back of Chi and Det and have a game left against both. Neither of those teams have looked very impressive lately either so yeah we still have a chance to win the division.
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#3 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:21:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: beast Go to Quoted Post
Can the Packers beat Vikings without Rodgers?


Can the Packers beat Lions without Rodgers?

Will Rodgers be back for the Lions game?


We can beat the Queens. Then again we COULD have beat the Gaints.

If we lose next week (and I don't think we will) they'll likely hurry Aaron back the next week. Goddamn that timing on that fucking short week.
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#4 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 7:57:10 PM(UTC)
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I think next week is a must-win game.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:17:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
I think next week is a must-win game.


Must win in the sense that if we can't beat the vikings we might as well hang it up anyway. I think the vikings are in the running for worst team in the league based on the way the rest of the league have played these last couple of weeks and that include the Jaguars, Buccaneers and Raiders.

They just may get that #1 pick next year.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:48:56 PM(UTC)
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As shitty as today was we are one game back. Just win the next game.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 8:54:42 PM(UTC)
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The Vikings are not going to lay down for us, and we will make Ponder look competent. The Giants are not a good team, but looked it today.
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#8 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 10:41:52 PM(UTC)
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In the past, we put pressure on Ponder
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#9 Posted : Sunday, November 17, 2013 11:47:28 PM(UTC)
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he big drive and the big touchdown happened before kickoff, in Pittsburgh, where the Lions were threatening to put daylight between themselves and the Packers, the team that has owned the NFC North for longer than the competition wants to remember.

Ben Roethlisberger and the Steelers were at their 3-yard line, trailing the Lions by four points. The Steelers didn’t have any “skin” in the game; they were playing for the Packers. Oh, how they were playing for the Packers.

Ninety-seven yards later, “Big Ben” threw one of the biggest touchdown passes of the season for the Packers, as the Steelers beat the Lions and kept the Packers within a game of the NFC North lead.

Three hours later, following a 27-13 loss to the Giants, Packers Head Coach Mike McCarthy stood in front of reporters and said: “We’ve lost three in a row but I believe better days are ahead.”

Could McCarthy have made that statement had the Lions won in Pittsburgh? Would you have believed it had he said it?

The Packers lost another football game on Sunday at MetLife Stadium. Losing has become a painful habit for this team, but the reality of the situation is the Packers moved one week closer to the day when Aaron Rodgers returns to action, and they did so without losing any ground in the NFC North title race.

It’s a simple formula: Win their three remaining division games and finish in no worse than a tie with the Lions and/or Bears, and the NFC North will, again, belong to the Packers. Nothing in the Packers’ pursuit of the division crown changed with the loss to the Giants. Nothing about McCarthy’s words ring hollow.

In Green Bay this week, the Packers will prepare for a critical NFC North home game against the Vikings. Critical? No, it’s more than that. It’s a must-win game. Remember the formula. It begins with win the remaining three division games. This is the first of those three.

Wild card? Forget about it. That’s becoming a longshot, but the NFC North title is still well within the Packers’ grasp, thanks to “Big Ben” and the prettiest-looking 97-yard crunch-time drive the “Packers” have executed this season.

How big is that drive? Remember that DeSean Jackson punt return for a touchdown in 2010? Yeah, it can be that big, if the Packers change their ways and start winning games immediately. The next two weeks are must-win games. It’s that simple. We’re going to start finding out what the Packers’ fate is this season real quick now.

In Detroit this week, the Lions will be dealing with more than just defeat. Jim Schwartz will be under fire for attempting that fake field goal play that failed and handed “Big Ben” the ball at his 3-yard line.

There will be noise in the system, so to speak. Schwartz will be the subject of much of that noise, and so will his quarterback, Matt Stafford, who melted at crunch time.

McCarthy doesn’t like drama, but like it or not the most intense drama of the season begins now. This is it. This is crunch time.

“We did not play well enough as a football team to win. This team has a lot of character. Times like these are when you see it. I fully believe it’s only going to make us stronger,” McCarthy said.

“Winning! It’s about winning. We need to win games. We need to score more points and we need to keep them out of the end zone more. We need big-play production. That’s how you win in this league,” he added.

The Packers have used up their margin of error. The Lions’ loss in Pittsburgh bought the Packers a little more time, but now time has run out. The Packers must win the next two games. It’s that’s simple.


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Offline play2win  
#10 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:07:53 AM(UTC)
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5 losses, and each game could have been won by the Packers.

This is some very uninspired play and coaching we are seeing from most on the Packers football team. I'm shocked at the unnecessary penalties. 12 men on the field, illegal formations, personal fouls, etc. We've seen them all through these 5 losses. That is poor preparation.

Granted, we've suffered an inordinate number of key injuries, but other teams have had to deal with those as well. I'm not sure why, after the last two or three years of high injury totals, and this past offseason supposedly being dedicated to eliminating those and having an emphasis on player availability, we still find ourselves in this same position. WTF???

Again, poor preparation.

The one player who showed up, displaying incredible professionalism in a hostile NY environment, Tramon Williams, gets little respect from many fans. I hope he keeps it up, and that others will follow his example. I guess I would add Jordy Nelson to Williams, as another player who really has shown up with the goods. That's pretty much it.

We are going to need to essentially win out, and we will need a lot of luck, professionalism, and focus to accomplish this. We are not that far away, because we should have been able to win all of the games we lost. Yet, somehow we are. This team is not looking prepared, focused, nor ready to take on the challenges ahead to win. Far too many players making major mistakes.

EVERYONE on this Packers team has got to turn this around if we are to win the division. Players and coaches alike.
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#11 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:13:12 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
5 losses, and each game could have been won by the Packers.

This is some very uninspired play and coaching we are seeing from most on the Packers football team. I'm shocked at the unnecessary penalties. 12 men on the field, illegal formations, personal fouls, etc. We've seen them all through these 5 losses. That is poor preparation.


Not only that but guys not knowing who they're supposed to cover.

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#12 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:13:37 AM(UTC)
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Say Bears beat Rams and Lions beat Buccaneers and the Packers lose to the Lions.

Lions 7 - 4
Bears 7 - 4
Packers 5 - 6

Two games behind with five to go = season over??


What I saw from the team was a team that refuses to play through the whistle on offense and defense. Uninspired and no heart.
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Offline VinceLambeauStarr  
#13 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 6:48:44 AM(UTC)
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I am usually optimistic within reason but in this case I think not.

I can't see us winning games on the back of a leaky, patchy and inconsistent defense and a pedestrian offense that is pretty vanilla right now.

Sure, the Giants gave up some big plays but when it mattered, they neutered the offense. Without Rodgers at the helm, I can't see it. Lacy works well with a high powered passing game, without it, it's asking a little too much to carry the offense through.
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#14 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:00:25 AM(UTC)
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Lions after thanksgiving have 3 games that they could possibly lose. @Philly home against Bal & Gmen.
Bears, I could see 1 maybe two more loses before week 17 (when they lose to us). @Philly and maybe home Dallas.

I think Rodgers needs to come back for Thanksgiving and win that for the team to have a chance of winning the division and making the playoffs.
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#15 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:33:43 AM(UTC)
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ONE GAME BEHIND.

Remember..... it is only ONE GAME.

One game behind The Packers.



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Offline Yerko  
#16 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:39:35 AM(UTC)
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At this point, yes. The teams in this division have shown that they are beatable teams. They are nothing special.

Lions just lost to an ugly Steelers team...literally, ugly. Those jerseys are a monstrosity. No one is running away with this division and if the Packers can muster up a win at Minnesota this week, follow up with a Rodgers return and win on Thanksgiving then the chances are still there.

I'm going to be a realist now though. This defense gives me zero hope of anything happening in the playoffs. The team will live and die with the offensive production brought to you by Mr. Rodgers.
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Offline sschind  
#17 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 9:41:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DakotaT Go to Quoted Post
The Vikings are not going to lay down for us, and we will make Ponder look competent. The Giants are not a good team, but looked it today.


No one expects the vikings to lay down. No team lies down for another. Its just that they are not good. The Giants are much better though they may not have been looking like it for the first part of the year. They have won 4 in a row. The Giants are a team we COULD beat and we could have beaten them. We are struggling but I think we are still better than the vikings and we SHOULD beat them.

What is the saying, if you can't beat the teams you SHOULD beat you might as well go home. If we can't beat the vikings we might as well go home and that's just where we may end up come playoff time.


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#18 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 10:36:19 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
5 losses, and each game could have been won by the Packers.

This is some very uninspired play and coaching we are seeing from most on the Packers football team. I'm shocked at the unnecessary penalties. 12 men on the field, illegal formations, personal fouls, etc. We've seen them all through these 5 losses. That is poor preparation.

Granted, we've suffered an inordinate number of key injuries, but other teams have had to deal with those as well. I'm not sure why, after the last two or three years of high injury totals, and this past offseason supposedly being dedicated to eliminating those and having an emphasis on player availability, we still find ourselves in this same position. WTF???

Again, poor preparation.

The one player who showed up, displaying incredible professionalism in a hostile NY environment, Tramon Williams, gets little respect from many fans. I hope he keeps it up, and that others will follow his example. I guess I would add Jordy Nelson to Williams, as another player who really has shown up with the goods. That's pretty much it.

We are going to need to essentially win out, and we will need a lot of luck, professionalism, and focus to accomplish this. We are not that far away, because we should have been able to win all of the games we lost. Yet, somehow we are. This team is not looking prepared, focused, nor ready to take on the challenges ahead to win. Far too many players making major mistakes.

EVERYONE on this Packers team has got to turn this around if we are to win the division. Players and coaches alike.


It doesn't help the preparation when Shields is a last minute scratch and he was to take on Cruz. Hyde's speed vs. Shields is no contest.
They have guys beat up that don't even practice all week and then this? The "next man up" thing is fine and all but when it goes as deep as we have had to go it makes it very tough. This ended up being a matchup we didn't need in a game needed very badly and NY took advantage of what they had.


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#19 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 11:01:00 AM(UTC)
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Plus JPP played. That guy is a game changer.
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#20 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 11:52:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
It doesn't help the preparation when Shields is a last minute scratch and he was to take on Cruz. Hyde's speed vs. Shields is no contest.
They have guys beat up that don't even practice all week and then this? The "next man up" thing is fine and all but when it goes as deep as we have had to go it makes it very tough. This ended up being a matchup we didn't need in a game needed very badly and NY took advantage of what they had.




Shields was out this week. But they've been looking like Keystone Kops for at least 3 weeks.
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#21 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 1:14:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: warhawk Go to Quoted Post
It doesn't help the preparation when Shields is a last minute scratch and he was to take on Cruz. Hyde's speed vs. Shields is no contest.
They have guys beat up that don't even practice all week and then this? The "next man up" thing is fine and all but when it goes as deep as we have had to go it makes it very tough. This ended up being a matchup we didn't need in a game needed very badly and NY took advantage of what they had.




True. The Giants took advantage of Shields being out. But, I was speaking more to the 3 losses in a row, and the 5 losses on the season. All of them could have been avoided. All of them winnable games. We just didn't give our best efforts, both players and coaches.

When coaches fail, there is a much larger problem. 12 men on the field, TWICE? wow. Our OL didn't show up to run block, and our DL didn't show up to stop the run.

This was an opportunity for Dom Capers to pick up the slack. Finally, after suffering two losses in a row. I don't care if Sam Shields is out, they have to account for Cruz no matter what. That did not happen. We had 4 sacks and 8 tackles for loss, and still couldn't measure up. Goal-line defense was a sieve on the 4th and 1 play. We give up 5…

Now, the defense did do some things well. Williams had a great pick. Jones made some plays, and led our team in tackles with 11. Having said that, we still saw some plays that he missed on with shoddy tackling, along with players like Burnett, Hawk and Matthews blowing assignments in coverage. Our scheme defensively was not looking like it was going to win the day. Not at all.

Being a team game, the blame can't lie soley with Capers. Our run blocking was atrocious. What the hell was that? Our coverage on STs completely stunk, with 67 yds on 3 returns, the killer being that single punt return for 34.

Add to that, three giant nails in the coffin with the 3 picks. At no time in this 3 game stretch did we look like we were ready to win a game, like we had an attitude that we WOULD win. Biggest disappointment to me was our piss poor run blocking. I know they stacked 8 in the box, but it was just 8. It wasn't 9, and our intentions always looked predictable, run or pass. Mike McCarthy did not game plan this well. Neither did Dom Capers. Neither did Shawn Slocum. Calling a fake on 4th and 7? A desperate move. And that is how GB looked, all three weeks. Players not in the right position, lining up wrong, coverage lapses, etc. It goes on and on.

And, you're right, we have guys beat up, injured, who don't practice all week, and this is what we see. What happened to addressing player availability, and the overall health of the team? What happened with that? This is the 4th year in a row with injuries being a major problem on our team.

I have a hamstring injury just having to watch this shit.
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#22 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 1:44:24 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: play2win Go to Quoted Post
5 losses, and each game could have been won by the Packers.

This is some very uninspired play and coaching we are seeing from most on the Packers football team. I'm shocked at the unnecessary penalties. 12 men on the field, illegal formations, personal fouls, etc. We've seen them all through these 5 losses. That is poor preparation.

Granted, we've suffered an inordinate number of key injuries, but other teams have had to deal with those as well. I'm not sure why, after the last two or three years of high injury totals, and this past offseason supposedly being dedicated to eliminating those and having an emphasis on player availability, we still find ourselves in this same position. WTF???

Again, poor preparation.

The one player who showed up, displaying incredible professionalism in a hostile NY environment, Tramon Williams, gets little respect from many fans. I hope he keeps it up, and that others will follow his example. I guess I would add Jordy Nelson to Williams, as another player who really has shown up with the goods. That's pretty much it.

We are going to need to essentially win out, and we will need a lot of luck, professionalism, and focus to accomplish this. We are not that far away, because we should have been able to win all of the games we lost. Yet, somehow we are. This team is not looking prepared, focused, nor ready to take on the challenges ahead to win. Far too many players making major mistakes.

EVERYONE on this Packers team has got to turn this around if we are to win the division. Players and coaches alike.


Surprised no one is giving Matthews credit, I thought he played a hell of a game.
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:28:09 PM(UTC)
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I clicked "2" for page 2 of this thread, and it went back to the home page of "Let's Talk ...... " - very strange.

I remember when Rodgers was hurt, and at least one article said he would miss 3 games - including the Vikings - after the Bears game where it happened. I was thinking and calculating then that we actually could lose those 3 games and still have a chance. Then Tolzien came in at QB, and suddenly the games seemed winnable. For sure, the Vikings game still is, but even if we lose, we aren't out of it.

Yeah, we likely would be 2 games behind the Lions and Bears, but that decreases to one game if Rodgers is back and we beat both. We would clearly have the tiebreaker over the Lions, and almost certainly have a better division record that the Bears - the second tiebreaker, I think. I would bet money after looking ahead at the schedules that the Lions and Bears will at least lose one more in addition to their Packers games.

So hell yeah we have a chance even if we lose to the Vikings, and a strong chance if beat them. The must win game is thanksgiving against the Lions, and I think we see Aaron Rodgers for that one. Actually, even that game could be lost if we beat the Vikings, we just can't lose both.
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#24 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:40:42 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I clicked "2" for page 2 of this thread, and it went back to the home page of "Let's Talk ...... " - very strange.


same.
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#25 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 6:34:59 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker Go to Quoted Post
I clicked "2" for page 2 of this thread, and it went back to the home page of "Let's Talk ...... " - very strange.


Fixed.





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