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Offline DarkaneRules  
#16 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 11:18:28 AM(UTC)
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It's accountability. You like to see this in a quarterback. We can also expect growing pains with our rookie left tackle. It is what it is.
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#17 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 1:54:47 PM(UTC)
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Normally I would agree. But not on that play. It wasn't just one of many options on that play. That throw was the play. the WR were already engaging in blocks. Bakhtiari didn't need to worry about pass protecting the QB. He didn't have to worry about a bull rush, or speed rush, an inside move or a twist and anything. He had 1 responsibility. Make sure the outside rusher does not get his hands up in the passing lane. Backing up and being on his heels is what allowed JPP to make a play on the ball.

Tolzein did nothing wrong on that play.


A QB has to be aware of everything on the field, especially when others aren't doing their job. He needs to be able to read that JPP is in the throwing lane and either try to pump-fake, or dive forward and live another day. Just because someone else doesn't do their job doesn't necessarily mean the play has to turn into a pick six. That type of awareness is what separates good players from great (or possibly even bad from good).
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#18 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 2:19:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoddPower Go to Quoted Post
A QB has to be aware of everything on the field, especially when others aren't doing their job. He needs to be able to read that JPP is in the throwing lane and either try to pump-fake, or dive forward and live another day. Just because someone else doesn't do their job doesn't necessarily mean the play has to turn into a pick six. That type of awareness is what separates good players from great (or possibly even bad from good).


Rodgers has had the ball batted on plays exactly like this. It is not an awareness issue. It is a pre-snap read play. There is no defender to cover the TE on this play. The QB takes the snap and has his back to the play for a quick drop, turn and throw.

If the delay on the throw, they get flagged for the WR blocking downfield.
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#19 Posted : Monday, November 18, 2013 2:51:19 PM(UTC)
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Offline nerdmann  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 5:49:42 AM(UTC)
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JPP was more in tune with what they play was than our own guys.
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#21 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:47:53 AM(UTC)
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Watched the play a few times. No question in my mind that is solely on the QB. Pierre-Paul didn't even try to rush. Quarterback has to recognize that and throw it away or throw it else where.

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#22 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:52:19 AM(UTC)
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When the play happened my heart sank into the pit of my stomach. It's a learning experience; just hard to take during a playoff race. The best thing that happened Sunday was the Steelers beating the Lions. The importance cannot be overstated.
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