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Offline cheeseheads123  
#31 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 3:13:36 PM(UTC)

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The Saints went from one of the worst defenses in the league last year to a top 5-10 defense this year. Saints fans strongly felt that it was because of the lack of talent and I am pretty sure they only brought in a few new faces this season. However, they did change defensive coordinators. What I am getting at is that I am still not ready to declare that our defensive problems are because of the lack of talent.
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#32 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 3:28:33 PM(UTC)

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They were also mired in bounty-gate. But I see where your head is at. Do people believe Dom's coaching is outdated, that he has lost his ability the players to play to their ability or what? Or do we just crave change now when times look bleak? I wish I knew. The players sound like they are holding themselves accountable though and that to me is the sign of good coaching.
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#33 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 3:52:04 PM(UTC)

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Don't give me well they are injured excuse because he has a tendency to draft players with injury history. Do I say replace him? No not at this time because I can't think of who we could get to replace him.



Does he really? Was there really any really big injury history with any of the players we've drafted? Or did they just start getting injured when they got to the NFL?

I don't recall anything other than this year with Lacy.
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#34 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 3:59:07 PM(UTC)

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This is just my opinion but I feel like our players on offense are playing up to their talent level for the most part. I don't think that's the case for a majority of the defensive players. That's why I lean toward coaching being a problem. They'll have some stretches in games on D where they completely dominate the other team and then all of a sudden they fall apart and start getting thrashed for a huge stretch of the game. I realize the other team gets paid too but I've rarely walked away from watching a game thinking our defense out coached the other teams offense. Mostly when we have a good defensive game it felt more like surviving than dominating.
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#35 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 4:00:13 PM(UTC)

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Damn you to hell Ted Thompson for not having the ability to efficiently fill in the voids at 16 different positions due to injuries.

You are awful.
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#36 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 4:00:51 PM(UTC)

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Gaycandybacon said: Go to Quoted Post
Does he really? Was there really any really big injury history with any of the players we've drafted? Or did they just start getting injured when they got to the NFL?

I don't recall anything other than this year with Lacy.


The only other players I can remember were James Starks(6th rnd pick), who has worked out pretty well and Justin Harrell(1st rnd pick), who as we all know didn't get on the field very much.

I'll call it a "wash"

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#37 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 4:01:08 PM(UTC)

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All this for a team that has won more games than probably 98% of the other NFL teams over the last five years?

Pretty short memories, eh?

I don't buy the "just Arod" theory going around either. Would either Tolzein or Flynn not benefit from having Cobb and Finley out there to throw to? Call me nuts but I think those two benefit MORE if these guys could play because Rodgers is just that good. He makes average players look good.

These other guys NEED that talent around them. We don't have the guys on the field that puts this offense in the top two or three in the entire league. Now we don't have the guys on the field to help a Flynn or whoever pull out wins. That includes Barclay.

Put it this way. This week we were without the services of Rodgers, Finley, Cobb, Barclay, Perry, Shields, Jolly and Hayward. Throw Bulaga in there for good measure and I would say that's the start of a pretty damn good football team don't ya think?

So they replace these guys with others that have greater weakness' (that's why they don't start, right?) and the coaches have to try and figure out how to least expose the weak areas of these players game and still be able to create a functional game plan.

But we sit here and kick TT's butt, McCarthy, the Assistant coaches, the scheme, and, the players still left standing.

You know what? I like this team. I like the players. I like the coaches. Give them a couple of DB's that don't need seeing eye dogs and they are as good as anybody. Too bad half of 'em are sitting over there with beanies or hoodies watching.















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Offline nerdmann  
#38 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 4:41:08 PM(UTC)

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Does he really? Was there really any really big injury history with any of the players we've drafted? Or did they just start getting injured when they got to the NFL?

I don't recall anything other than this year with Lacy.


Ted gambled on Harrell with a high pick.

He does NOT routinely draft players with a long injury history.
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#39 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 4:43:22 PM(UTC)

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All this for a team that has won more games than probably 98% of the other NFL teams over the last five years?

Pretty short memories, eh?

I don't buy the "just Arod" theory going around either. Would either Tolzein or Flynn not benefit from having Cobb and Finley out there to throw to? Call me nuts but I think those two benefit MORE if these guys could play because Rodgers is just that good. He makes average players look good.

These other guys NEED that talent around them. We don't have the guys on the field that puts this offense in the top two or three in the entire league. Now we don't have the guys on the field to help a Flynn or whoever pull out wins. That includes Barclay.

Put it this way. This week we were without the services of Rodgers, Finley, Cobb, Barclay, Perry, Shields, Jolly and Hayward. Throw Bulaga in there for good measure and I would say that's the start of a pretty damn good football team don't ya think?

So they replace these guys with others that have greater weakness' (that's why they don't start, right?) and the coaches have to try and figure out how to least expose the weak areas of these players game and still be able to create a functional game plan.

But we sit here and kick TT's butt, McCarthy, the Assistant coaches, the scheme, and, the players still left standing.

You know what? I like this team. I like the players. I like the coaches. Give them a couple of DB's that don't need seeing eye dogs and they are as good as anybody. Too bad half of 'em are sitting over there with beanies or hoodies watching.

















It's not just having lost Aaron.

It's Mike's "low percentage philosophy." If Aaron is in there, defenses are gonna swing extra defenders deep. So what does he do? Attacks the deep zones.

With Tolzien in there, Ds stacked 8-9 in the box. So what does Mike do? Pounds Lacy into the pile and makes repatedly predictable 1-3 yard passes. Then we're all shocked when it fails and blame it on injuries. lol
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#40 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 4:49:05 PM(UTC)

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Replacing him would be foolish. He's a great talent evaluator. He just needs to pull a couple more triggers. Make a trade or two. Sign a good FA talent. Shore up some holes, quickly.

A closer look at his draft picks and UDFA signings shows quite a bit of talent that other teams would be envious of. The impact of Lacy, Bakhtiari, Hyde, Banjo from this year alone is pretty remarkable. Franklin still has time to make an impact, as does Tretter should he be cleared to play. Last year's Hayward pick was huge for us, and Perry, Worthy and Daniels look like they may pay big dividends. Cobb and House from 2011 were both good picks, Cobb a far better one.

Lots of whiffs in there too though… some proving left to do these next bunch of weeks. Maybe Sherrod comes in and does well.

Maybe we should be looking more at what our staff is doing with these players.


The part where you say he is a great talent evaluator is proven how? Because some of the guys are starting for us, doesn't exactly mean they would start on other teams. And as many draft picks he has every year is like me saying ok I have 17 shells in my gun and I should be able to hit you with one or 2 lol. Does that make me a marksman?

I just don't see all this talent everyone is claiming we have.

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#41 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 6:01:38 PM(UTC)

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The part where you say he is a great talent evaluator is proven how? Because some of the guys are starting for us, doesn't exactly mean they would start on other teams. And as many draft picks he has every year is like me saying ok I have 17 shells in my gun and I should be able to hit you with one or 2 lol. Does that make me a marksman?

I just don't see all this talent everyone is claiming we have.



How many other teams would even be in the conversation after having lost 10+ starters? How good is the #5 tackle on most teams?

How good is the #4 QB on most teams?

Sure it'd be nice if our defenders knew who to cover on game day and stayed in their gaps, but that's a different subject.
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#42 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 6:27:10 PM(UTC)

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The part where you say he is a great talent evaluator is proven how? Because some of the guys are starting for us, doesn't exactly mean they would start on other teams. And as many draft picks he has every year is like me saying ok I have 17 shells in my gun and I should be able to hit you with one or 2 lol. Does that make me a marksman?

I just don't see all this talent everyone is claiming we have.



Ok well if hes not a very good talent evaluator that means theres a good number who are better so give us say 10 who are better.
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#43 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 6:31:09 PM(UTC)

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All I ask of Ted next year is to take a damn chance on a pretty good free agent. I know it's a broken record here, but it's time we do it for once.

Just try it for once. Hell if we aren't winning up to the standards, would it even hurt? Is it a money thing?

My argument on the matter is you can still have a good draft plus add key free agents.

Look at how much better the Bears got by adding Peppers, Marshall, those offensive lineman they picked up this year. It works.

Imagine our team with some of these key additions, it could put us over the top.. Even doing it next year we could be Super Bowl contenders

It's all fine and dandy that we've been great at drafting players for years. But it's catching up to us.

Is this the problem why we aren't winning? No. It just wouldn't hurt to try something new.
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#44 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 6:43:24 PM(UTC)

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Things are tough all over. This has been an uncommonly bad year for injuries for a lot of teams.

It seems that not very many are coming around to an anti-TT point of view. That is especially ironic since several of the biggest complainers about our personnel during gametime chat are still defending him.

Does anybody seriously think we would not have won these four games with Aaron Rodgers at QB? I would contend, however, that our O-Line has been underperforming all along, our D has been sub-standard for several years - masked by outscoring teams, our RBs were awful until this season, etc.

It seems like Ted Thompson has failed miserably on first round picks. Say what you want about bad luck on injuries - which is true, but the "good luck" of having Aaron Rodgers fall that far more than makes up for the bad luck.

I don't let McCarthy off the hook either. His reputation, like TT's is completely tied to having Rodgers. and arguably he has not maximized that benefit. I wouldn't excuse Campen either, although I don't think any badness attributed to him makes much difference - it's about personnel. I would, however excuse Capers. His job/his strong point is compensation - finessing opponents with tricks because the personnel he has to work with is sub-standard. Some of you short-memory guys don't remember what was his name? Robert Sanders? and the D Coordinator who came before him - both as plain vanilla as you can get. If we did that now - no blitzing/no tricks/no outguessing - we would probably give up about 60 points a game.

If getting back Aaron Rodgers and going back to outscoring teams while our QB is perpetually running for his life due to poor line blocking, etc. is good enough, the let Ted Thompson just keep on keeping on. That probably is what will happen. I'm just saying we COULD BE a lot better than that if Ted Thompson had done his job better/built a better supporting cast.
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#45 Posted : Monday, November 25, 2013 6:45:24 PM(UTC)

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All I ask of Ted next year is to take a damn chance on a pretty good free agent. I know it's a broken record here, but it's time we do it for once.

Just try it for once. Hell if we aren't winning up to the standards, would it even hurt? Is it a money thing?

My argument on the matter is you can still have a good draft plus add key free agents.

Look at how much better the Bears got by adding Peppers, Marshall, those offensive lineman they picked up this year. It works.

Imagine our team with some of these key additions, it could put us over the top.. Even doing it next year we could be Super Bowl contenders

It's all fine and dandy that we've been great at drafting players for years. But it's catching up to us.

Is this the problem why we aren't winning? No. It just wouldn't hurt to try something new.


If the Packers keep Capers around next year i think Jarius Bryd would do wonders for the Packers
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