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Offline Tezzy  
#51 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:24:08 AM(UTC)
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If there is someone that's right to improve the coaching staff to make the team play better, I am all for it. I am not burning a torch for dumping Capers exactly, but it is frustrating to watch the inconsistencies from week to week. Each week it seems like a handful of of different players come to play.

This last game against the Queens, our front line really missed Jolly. And that highlighted the rest of the weaknesses of the middle of this defense all the way to the back end. Schematically I can't say what should change to make the middle of the defense better. One week I watched our outside defense miss play after play, and then another week the middle of the defense gets gashed play after play. There are flashes of good defense from all units, but not usually together as a team.

Of course better personnel can always help a team improve. Our defense is lacking at LB and S, and I lay that on Ted. I think it's a team effort all the way down in the performance of the Packers right now. I am still invested in the season though. The next two weeks will clear the picture up hopefully in a good fashion.
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#52 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:59:36 AM(UTC)
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Tezzy said: Go to Quoted Post
If there is someone that's right to improve the coaching staff to make the team play better, I am all for it. I am not burning a torch for dumping Capers exactly, but it is frustrating to watch the inconsistencies from week to week. Each week it seems like a handful of of different players come to play.

This last game against the Queens, our front line really missed Jolly. And that highlighted the rest of the weaknesses of the middle of this defense all the way to the back end. Schematically I can't say what should change to make the middle of the defense better. One week I watched our outside defense miss play after play, and then another week the middle of the defense gets gashed play after play. There are flashes of good defense from all units, but not usually together as a team.

Of course better personnel can always help a team improve. Our defense is lacking at LB and S, and I lay that on Ted. I think it's a team effort all the way down in the performance of the Packers right now. I am still invested in the season though. The next two weeks will clear the picture up hopefully in a good fashion.


You are SO right Tezzy! Our LB and S play have been pretty much abysmal. That kills any D. And, the line is indeed missing Jolly's presence. Something has to happen to get them to start lighting up other teams. Maybe, we just do not have the personnel. Teams like SF and SEA have incredible defensive players at these positions, and it makes all the difference in the world.

Either our entire team turns this around and starts playing better, coaching better, or they don't and we tank the season. If anything, we have consistently missed assignments on D. And, that's bad.
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#53 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:26:23 PM(UTC)
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The part where you say he is a great talent evaluator is proven how? Because some of the guys are starting for us, doesn't exactly mean they would start on other teams. And as many draft picks he has every year is like me saying ok I have 17 shells in my gun and I should be able to hit you with one or 2 lol. Does that make me a marksman?

I just don't see all this talent everyone is claiming we have.



There are plenty of Ted's draft picks who play for other teams.

When the Packers cut a guy, other teams come sniffing around. Hell, look at all the rejects in Minny.
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#54 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:29:25 PM(UTC)
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Your point is well taken dhazer. I did mention there were a lot of whiffs, and that it was dependent on a good number of players I listed turning the corner with what is left in the remainder of this season. If Sherrod doesn't contribute, if Perry stays on the sidelines, if Worthy doesn't make an impact, if Richardson does nothing special, if Cobb doesn't make it back, if Datone doesn't contribute, Palmer, Boyd, Tretter, McMillian, House, Neal, Burnett, Quarless, Newhouse, Starks… That's 4 years worth of picks and UDFA signings, and there is still opportunity for all of those players to either make something happen or tank.

Go deeper, the previous 4 years, and we've got Raji, Matthews, Lang, Brad Jones, Jordy Nelson, Sitton, Flynn, James Jones, Mason Crosby, Hawk, and Jolly. And then, the first year at the helm as GM of the Packers, we have Rodgers.

I think the jury is still out. Lots of proving to take place one way or another to realize whether Ted is really good, or nothing particularly special. Are we a good team or are we not? It is kind of hard to say right now. The real proving is about to take place to determine that.

We will see. Look at the team's draft success Rounds 1-3 over the past 3 years, and look who leads the way:
http://www.bloggingthebo...ss-in-first-three-rounds

Green Bay is ranked 3rd from last. Yet, how many teams in the Top 15 have won Super Bowls? ZERO! Teams in the bottom 15 have won the last 8 Super Bowls in a row.

Looking at the last 5 years, overall draft success brings us more to middle of the road, according to this FWIW:
http://bleacherreport.co...ir-draft-success/page/15

Bigger point in this is that "team building" is not necessarily all about players drafted, and their physical prominence or prowess. There are character issues, coaching philosophies and personalities that require a collective focus to win, from top to bottom in the organization. I would say this is a really good group of players, with pretty damn good character, making them a stronger team, maybe better than their raw talents. We will see how strong, and if they can get the job of "winning" done. Every GM has plenty of whiffs in the draft. That goes with the territory. Just because Ted usually winds up with a higher number of picks doesn't mean he is a complete shotgun selector. He has done his share of trades up to land the players he likes with the extra picks, enough to dispel that monicker. He does have a very hard draft and develop philosophy. Not much we as fans can do about that.

Right now, they don't look like a very good team overall. There is still time for them to turn that around. Players and coaches, led by Ted Thompson. BTW, if you hit with the one shell out of many, and get the job done, you've still gotten the job done. These are the days that build character. We'll see if it works or not.


Great article.

Quote:


After taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005, the Packers haven’t found stars in the first round, but have found above-average starters like Clay Matthews and AJ Hawk.


LOL. Yeah, Clay isn't a star, he's just pretty good. Like AJ Hawk!
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