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MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:56:54 AM(UTC)
Jason Wilde said:
GREEN BAY — If you're among the villagers in cyberspace who are at the gates of Lambeau Field with virtual torches and pitchforks, calling for the head of Green Bay Packers defensive coordinator Dom Capers, coach Mike McCarthy didn't give you much hope Monday that you'll get your way and Capers or the defensive staff will be dismissed.

After watching his defense give up 447 yards to the Minnesota Vikings, including a season-high 232 rushing yards, McCarthy was asked if the Packers' defensive issues were scheme-related or the result of poor execution.

McCarthy's answer made it clear that he believed his players needed to do their jobs better. While some may argue that McCarthy wasn't about to throw Capers or any of the defensive coaches under the bus, he easily could have framed his answer in a way that would have shown that he feels the staff is as culpable or more culpable for the problems — due to scheme or calls — than the players. But McCarthy did nothing of the sort.

The run defense has been the team's biggest problem of late, as Green Bay has given up a whopping 514 yards rushing over the past three games. Those struggles have dropped them from ranking third against the run earlier this year to 19th (115.5 yards per game) now.

"I watched (the film) this morning with the defensive staff. We went through every call," McCarthy said. "It's a very talented, organized defensive staff. I really like the teaching ability, the demand and their personality.

"That's what we're talking about, preparation and execution. We need to play better. When you're an eight-man front football, you need to stop (the run). They had over 200 yards. We had a chance to address all of that, go through hat this morning, go over it with the team at the team meeting. We're really about the Lions right now.

"I'm very comfortable in our coaching staff. I think it's definitely one of the strengths of our program."

Entering Monday night's action, the Packers defense had plummeted to No. 20 in yards allowed per game (359.6) and tied for No. 18 in points allowed per game (24.1). They are tied for the NFL lead in sacks with 37.

"That's why they're season stats," McCarthy said. "We're in a valley right now; we need to get out of it in some aspects of our team. Going through the grades, going through every call, every assignment, it really comes down to leverage, fits and tackling and tenacity of the finish of the play was a little up and down.

"Time and time again, we had excellent leverage but then we don't complete the play. They had two excellent runners (in Adrian Peterson and Toby Gerhart) that extended runs. That's the part you've got to win. When you create leverage and fit in run defense, that's where the play starts, that's not where it ends. We just didn't do a very good job finishing once the leverage and the fit (were) established. You can go all the way through it, double teams and this and that, but it really came down to execution."
Dulak  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 6:44:11 AM(UTC)
2 things ...

1. One of the reason why our defense has a lot of numbers to them - points and yards - is because they are on the field too much and our offense is not.

2. Kevin Greene - he is the best LB coach a team could ever want. He has more fire then all our LBers combined (including CM3). That guy really tries to fire up the LB core and I wonder if its starting to sink into hawk this year because Ive never seen him play this well.

hope we never give up greene
hardrocker950  
#3 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:03:53 AM(UTC)
Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
2 things ...

1. One of the reason why our defense has a lot of numbers to them - points and yards - is because they are on the field too much and our offense is not.

2. Kevin Greene - he is the best LB coach a team could ever want. He has more fire then all our LBers combined (including CM3). That guy really tries to fire up the LB core and I wonder if its starting to sink into hawk this year because Ive never seen him play this well.

hope we never give up greene


Agree with both points. Kevin Greene is awesome, decent productivity with a revolving group of guys. If Capers doesn't return next season, I would hope he gets consideration for DC.

Most problems have been in coverage, but there have been issues up front stopping the run lately. These issues don't help going into a game against Detroit. Johnson is very hard to cover, and Bush is a very gifted back. If they play very physical on D - they have a much better chance at a win. I hope to see them challenging receivers off the snap to keep Johnson from streaking down the field wide open.

Remember guys - the season is on the line!
steveishere  
#4 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:16:00 AM(UTC)
Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
2 things ...

1. One of the reason why our defense has a lot of numbers to them - points and yards - is because they are on the field too much and our offense is not.

2. Kevin Greene - he is the best LB coach a team could ever want. He has more fire then all our LBers combined (including CM3). That guy really tries to fire up the LB core and I wonder if its starting to sink into hawk this year because Ive never seen him play this well.

hope we never give up greene


Our offense this year is 2nd in yards/drive, 6th in points/drive, 13th in turnovers/drive, 5th in plays/drive, and 5th in TOP/drive

Our defense is 24th in yards/drive, 26th in points/drive, 27th in turnovers/drive, 26th in plays/drive, and 23rd in TOP/ drive. They've only been on the field for 106 total drives which is less than all but 3 other teams.

http://www.footballoutsi.../stats/drivestatsdef2013

The defense is bad because they simply don't stop people. If the offense has had any effect on that it's minimal at best. Tired of hearing that as an excuse. These last few games with our back up QBs haven't been good as far as capitalizing on scoring opportunities but we've still been able to move the football and get first downs/yards.
wpr  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:36:11 AM(UTC)
Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
2 things ...

1. One of the reason why our defense has a lot of numbers to them - points and yards - is because they are on the field too much and our offense is not.



sorry this is not correct. The offense is out there 31:17 per game and the defense 30:05. (Overtime makes it more than 60 min.) The defense rotates players on the line, the linebackers and the secondary all the time. Nearly every play. The offense not so much. Backs and a few of the receivers rotate.

The defense has to makes tops and get off the field more often than what they do.

mi_keys  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:41:42 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
sorry this is not correct. The offense is out there 31:17 per game and the defense 30:05. (Overtime makes it more than 60 min.) The defense rotates players on the line, the linebackers and the secondary all the time. Nearly every play. The offense not so much. Backs and a few of the receivers rotate.

The defense has to makes tops and get off the field more often than what they do.



This. I'm tired of this excuse. Not just for the Packers but in general (though it has been particularly awful amongst certain Packer fans the last few years). If you want a break, stop the other team on third down. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
wpr  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:58:49 AM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
This. I'm tired of this excuse. Not just for the Packers but in general (though it has been particularly awful amongst certain Packer fans the last few years). If you want a break, stop the other team on third down. Otherwise, shut the f*ck up.


I failed to mention that the GB defense is 54 for 150 on 3rd down. That is 36%. It is a little above average. But then on 4th down they fail. They gave up 8 1st downs in 14 tries for a 57%. Only Minny, Dallas and Washington have given up more first downs on 4th down. GB's average for 3rd and 4th down combined is an unacceptable 41.3%. You can't win games by letting the other team extend drives and consistently move down the field.

Add to all of this that GB defense is called for penalties more than the average. And the penalties are not simply off sides or other 5 yard penalties. They are 10th in total yards on penalties allowed.
Zero2Cool  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:02:55 AM(UTC)
Packers are tied for first in Sacks with 37.
play2win  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:09:55 AM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
Packers are tied for first in Sacks with 37.


That is a clear indicator that the rest of the defensive backfield is in disarray, when you take into consideration how poorly we perform overall. Especially when you see we are at the bottom of the NFL in forcing TOs. We are getting to the QB, but it doesn't seem to matter when we get gashed by the run, and our secondary gives up the huge plays. House dropped two sure INTs last Sunday. MD Jennings can't seem to make a play on the ball. Meanwhile, Burnett is regressing having to compensate for the poor play around him, and, maybe he is just slipping in terms of effectiveness.

Maybe Richardson provides us with some relief back there… that is my hope. That, and some better play from all of our LBs. Time to crank up a pick fest here, or we are done.

McCarthy talks about execution… and I'm transported back to the 1970s...
"Coach, what do you think of your team's execution today?" "I'm all for it!" - John McKay
GermanGilbert  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:06:00 AM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
sorry this is not correct. The offense is out there 31:17 per game and the defense 30:05. (Overtime makes it more than 60 min.) The defense rotates players on the line, the linebackers and the secondary all the time. Nearly every play. The offense not so much. Backs and a few of the receivers rotate.

The defense has to makes tops and get off the field more often than what they do.



But that's also just half of the story. If you consider only the 4 games since Aaron went down the Offense was on the field 30:07 while the Defense was on the field 33:38. I still think that this change in TOP had an influence on the let down on Defense since #12 broke his collarbone. They played pretty OK before and now they look ugly as hell.
steveishere  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 11:41:56 AM(UTC)
GermanGilbert said: Go to Quoted Post
But that's also just half of the story. If you consider only the 4 games since Aaron went down the Offense was on the field 30:07 while the Defense was on the field 33:38. I still think that this change in TOP had an influence on the let down on Defense since #12 broke his collarbone. They played pretty OK before and now they look ugly as hell.


Those TOP were close in the games Rodgers has been missing until late game 8-9 minute drives given up by the Defense skewing the numbers. Either way if 3 and a half extra minutes of field time causes your defense to collapse that's pathetic in itself.

Like I posted earlier our offense as far as possessing the ball has been one of the top units in the league. While our defense as far as giving up yards/first downs/points has been below average. The simple truth is the D is on the field from long periods of time because they don't stop people not because the offense puts them out there more. It's time for people to stop believing the myth that the offense is making the D tired. It's simply not true. Or if it is true it's terribly pathetic because they aren't playing any significant amount of time more than anyone else.
dhazer  
#12 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:27:29 PM(UTC)
Its all about the Pad level, we need to get better pad level.
wpr  
#13 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:45:06 PM(UTC)
GermanGilbert said: Go to Quoted Post
But that's also just half of the story. If you consider only the 4 games since Aaron went down the Offense was on the field 30:07 while the Defense was on the field 33:38. I still think that this change in TOP had an influence on the let down on Defense since #12 broke his collarbone. They played pretty OK before and now they look ugly as hell.


It's kind of interesting- Aaron breaks his collarbone and the defense falls apart.
DoddPower  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:56:02 PM(UTC)
mi_keys said: Go to Quoted Post
This. I'm tired of this excuse. Not just for the Packers but in general (though it has been particularly awful amongst certain Packer fans the last few years). If you want a break, stop the other team on third down. Otherwise, shut the f*ck up.


Lazy man's excuse.
Zero2Cool  
#15 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:56:13 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
It's kind of interesting- Aaron breaks his collarbone and the defense falls apart.


It's almost as if the defense lost its confidence that the offense will put up points. I would think after so much is said about Aaron Rodgers that the defense would relish the opportunity to step up and say "Hey, we're more than just a great QB".
DoddPower  
#16 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:23:34 PM(UTC)
Zero2Cool said: Go to Quoted Post
"Hey, we're more than just a great QB".


Well, the simple answer to that is: they're not. Unfortunately. At least not at this point with all of the injuries.

Dulak  
#17 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:50:40 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
It's kind of interesting- Aaron breaks his collarbone and the defense falls apart.


Ok so the defense isnt out there that much longer then normal - but perhaps they dont have the same drive when they seem to be on the losing end ... like even if they do well they dont have an offense to help them win.

perhaps ... Our run D was unstoppable at the beginning of the year; now its a bit porous - we still havnt shored up our coverage thou.

Do we blame our run D on missing key players? CM3 and most of our LBers? or even our pass D since the pressure doesnt get there? - or the poor coverage skill of our safetys and corners (although our courners seem decent enough).

The article talked about looking at every play and seeing what the D called on that play - so basically holding yourself accountable for each coaching decision. Got to be tough to do.

play2win  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:48:44 PM(UTC)
Dulak said: Go to Quoted Post
Ok so the defense isnt out there that much longer then normal - but perhaps they dont have the same drive when they seem to be on the losing end ... like even if they do well they dont have an offense to help them win.

perhaps ... Our run D was unstoppable at the beginning of the year; now its a bit porous - we still havnt shored up our coverage thou.

Do we blame our run D on missing key players? CM3 and most of our LBers? or even our pass D since the pressure doesnt get there? - or the poor coverage skill of our safetys and corners (although our courners seem decent enough).

The article talked about looking at every play and seeing what the D called on that play - so basically holding yourself accountable for each coaching decision. Got to be tough to do.


I would say with a quick glance, we were REAlLY good on run D until both Perry and Jolly went down. Having them both return to the lineup, and the possibility Richardson might get more action brings me a little hope that this can get better. Way better. Mulumba was back last Sunday, maybe he improves.

We just have to hope this D can turn the corner, and start making game changing plays in our favor.
buckeyepackfan  
#19 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:00:56 PM(UTC)
All about turnovers Gentlemen.

Don't have them on offense, create them on Defense.

A team can control the clock all it wants, if they can't hang onto the ball, they put themselves behind the perverbial 8 ball.

luigis  
#20 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:25:15 PM(UTC)
buckeyepackfan said: Go to Quoted Post
All about turnovers Gentlemen.

Don't have them on offense, create them on Defense.

A team can control the clock all it wants, if they can't hang onto the ball, they put themselves behind the perverbial 8 ball.



Maybe I'm seeing ghosts but I think everything is related to Rodgers.
If we are ahead the opponent is more inclined to pass and not needing to guess the play the defense might create some turnover opportunities.

Without a good offense the opponent never needs to commit to the pass and we just don't have a good defense against a combined attack. We can defend the run or the pass (barely) but not both.

I need to think how the safeties are the problem to this because I'm convinced our safeties are very bad, starting with Burnett a player that I'm convinced is not as good as we all think he is.



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