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MintBaconDrivel  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:12:54 AM(UTC)
JSOnline said:
Detroit — One ball fell five yards shy of a double-covered James Jones. Another hung high and late to Jarrett Boykin.

He gift-wrapped an interception. He was a human punching bag throughout.

There will be no $25 million contracts parlayed from this performance.

But do not make Matt Flynn the scapegoat for this 40-10 debacle in Detroit. And don't point the finger at Scott Tolzien, at Seneca Wallace, at any quarterback the Packers start. For all the weekly support coach Mike McCarthy has given each player — Wallace's experience, Tolzien's deep ball, Flynn's no-huddle acumen — they've been in a desperate, long-shot situation all along.

The chaos we see now at quarterback — two touchdowns, seven interceptions, zero wins in five games — began in the off-season.
nerdmann  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:00:27 AM(UTC)
Bullshit.

Ted got Mike the guys Mike wanted. Mike had Harrell, whom he supposedly liked last year.

Mike had Coleman. Mike's plan was for Coleman to develop and replace Harrell. Mike did not successfully develop Coleman. That's not Ted's fault.

So Ted went out and got some guys. Wallace turned out to be a lying little bitch who punked out in his first start, but Tolzien looks like a real player. He's just gonna need some seasoning, which is normal for a #3.

As for Flynn, he's had one shitty game. He had TWO practices before it, and was under a constant jailbreak by the Loins Dline. Remember, Flynn was widely regarded as one of the top backups in the league. He probably still is that.
musccy  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:15:29 AM(UTC)
I generally agree with what you said, Nerd, plus...

Flynn and co. can't play NT, S, MLB, or TE nor are they responsible for teams staying on the field the closing 9 minutes of games when the Packers needed the ball back. A.R's injury has shown us how much of a band aid he has been for this team, smoke screening its many deficiencies.

dhazer  
#4 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:18:37 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Bullshit.

Ted got Mike the guys Mike wanted. Mike had Harrell, whom he supposedly liked last year.

Mike had Coleman. Mike's plan was for Coleman to develop and replace Harrell. Mike did not successfully develop Coleman. That's not Ted's fault.

So Ted went out and got some guys. Wallace turned out to be a lying little bitch who punked out in his first start, but Tolzien looks like a real player. He's just gonna need some seasoning, which is normal for a #3.

As for Flynn, he's had one shitty game. He had TWO practices before it, and was under a constant jailbreak by the Loins Dline. Remember, Flynn was widely regarded as one of the top backups in the league. He probably still is that.


top backup in the league regarded by who? Hell he got cut from 2 teams that are starting their #3 qbs. This is another one of those I want my guy type thing and I am sticking to it no matter what.
steveishere  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:28:07 AM(UTC)
nerdmann said: Go to Quoted Post
Bullshit.

Ted got Mike the guys Mike wanted. Mike had Harrell, whom he supposedly liked last year.

Mike had Coleman. Mike's plan was for Coleman to develop and replace Harrell. Mike did not successfully develop Coleman. That's not Ted's fault.

So Ted went out and got some guys. Wallace turned out to be a lying little bitch who punked out in his first start, but Tolzien looks like a real player. He's just gonna need some seasoning, which is normal for a #3.

As for Flynn, he's had one shitty game. He had TWO practices before it, and was under a constant jailbreak by the Loins Dline. Remember, Flynn was widely regarded as one of the top backups in the league. He probably still is that.


He had to have surgery for a torn abductor tendon, dumbass.
steveishere  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:29:46 AM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
top backup in the league regarded by who? Hell he got cut from 2 teams that are starting their #3 qbs. This is another one of those I want my guy type thing and I am sticking to it no matter what.


The guy who gave him a 26m dollar contract?
dhazer  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:32:58 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
The guy who gave him a 26m dollar contract?



I bet he don't any more lol I am sure Flynn was happier than shit to get the call from Green Bay. Another chunk of money he made from playing one great preseason game against the Lions.
steveishere  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:35:03 AM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
I bet he don't any more lol I am sure Flynn was happier than shit to get the call from Green Bay. Another chunk of money he made from playing one great preseason game against the Lions.


doesn't change the fact that it happened and that Flynn was indeed regarded as one of the top back ups.
dhazer  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 7:42:04 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
doesn't change the fact that it happened and that Flynn was indeed regarded as one of the top back ups.


I see you now use the word was as in past tense I thought you meant people still regard him as a top backup
steveishere  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:14:47 AM(UTC)
dhazer said: Go to Quoted Post
I see you now use the word was as in past tense I thought you meant people still regard him as a top backup


Nerdmanns post that you initially replied to used the word was.
wpr  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:21:38 AM(UTC)
in a word- yes.

Quote:
When Thompson worked under former general manager Ron Wolf from 1992-'99, he watched Wolf select a quarterback in seven of eight drafts. Some, like Matt Hasselbeck, Mark Brunell, Ty Detmer and Aaron Brooks, paid off handsomely. Others, like Ronnie McAda, Kyle Wachholz and Jay Barker, never panned out.

Regardless, Wolf was always willing to roll the dice at the game's most important position.

In Thompson's five drafts between 2009-'13, he selected just one quarterback — B.J. Coleman in the seventh round in 2012. That left the Packers without a parachute when Rodgers went down.



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I don't expect GB to draft a qb every year. I do expect them to pick one about every 3 years. And not just someone in the 7th round either. They can take a decent qb in the 5th and develop him over time. He will eventually move on which is why they need to keep drafting them.
play2win  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:31:13 AM(UTC)
I'm not so sure about this. I would be more inclined to say Safety was our greatest need. Had we had a good one, or two, we might have beaten SF and CIN, and maybe another game since Rodgers went down, and we would still be leading the division.

For whatever reason, Ted neglected the FS position when it was a glaring need.
wpr  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:51:56 AM(UTC)
play2win said: Go to Quoted Post
I'm not so sure about this. I would be more inclined to say Safety was our greatest need. Had we had a good one, or two, we might have beaten SF and CIN, and maybe another game since Rodgers went down, and we would still be leading the division.

For whatever reason, Ted neglected the FS position when it was a glaring need.


Safety is a need as well. Ted can neglect more than one position at the same time.
play2win  
#14 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 8:55:28 AM(UTC)
Not to rail on him, but a drafted player, or a FA or trade would have been very welcome. Banjo was a nice pickup.
User is suspended until 4/29/2043 11:56:55 PM(UTC) texaspackerbacker  
#15 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:11:59 AM(UTC)
The gigantic elephant in the room, of course, is virtually the whole rest of the team which Ted has been grossly deficient in building. Tolzien or Flynn would undoubtedly have been good enough if we had even and average O-Line and Defense.
nerdmann  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 2:25:13 PM(UTC)
texaspackerbacker said: Go to Quoted Post
The gigantic elephant in the room, of course, is virtually the whole rest of the team which Ted has been grossly deficient in building. Tolzien or Flynn would undoubtedly have been good enough if we had even and average O-Line and Defense.


If you keep repeating that, it won't make it true.

Even if you click your ruby slippers together.
TheKanataThrilla  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:11:57 PM(UTC)
wpr said: Go to Quoted Post
in a word- yes.




jsonline


I don't expect GB to draft a qb every year. I do expect them to pick one about every 3 years. And not just someone in the 7th round either. They can take a decent qb in the 5th and develop him over time. He will eventually move on which is why they need to keep drafting them.


But Ted did pick some other QBs the writer just used the years to make the biggest failure sell. Ted also pick Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn in 2008, but the quote chooses to put the cut-off after that year to try and make a point.
hardrocker950  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 6:33:44 PM(UTC)
I only agree with this to an extent. The front office sent the previous backups on their way, and brought new guys in with limited time to prepare and learn.

With that said, I don't think Tolzien and Flynn are as bad as many think. Their lack of success also falls on the offensive line. The defense has not done them many favors either. Aside from the turnovers in Detroit, they have been giving up too many plays.

Remember that football is a team sport. You cannot simply blame one individual for a loss.
wpr  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, December 4, 2013 9:17:08 PM(UTC)
TheKanataThrilla said: Go to Quoted Post
But Ted did pick some other QBs the writer just used the years to make the biggest failure sell. Ted also pick Brian Brohm and Matt Flynn in 2008, but the quote chooses to put the cut-off after that year to try and make a point.


I guess you didn't understand the article. Stating GB drafted 2 QB back in 2008 is the same as drafting 1 every year or nearly every year is the same. It isn't.
It wasn't so much that he cut it off to slant the story it was to illustrate he hasn't done anything recently.
Dulak  
#20 Posted : Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:35:28 AM(UTC)
steveishere said: Go to Quoted Post
doesn't change the fact that it happened and that Flynn was indeed regarded as one of the top back ups.


- my comments are general comments and just piggy packing on your post Steve -

I do agree with the backup comment - but dont know whom is at fault - in previous posts it is suggested Mike McCarthy is more at fault preseason which IMO was a total flub-up.

preseason was just a bunch of dudes who wernt any good throwing the football around. I thought young might do a little better with time but then we hured some short dude 5'10 to play NFL QB with our pass first team.

bleh - it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that - that experiment wouldnt work -

so who knows maybe tolzien will turn into a decent QB someday - but we stuck him front and center and he threw 5 INTs ... he did. Flynn was the only guy I had any sort of confidence in but even this was minor because there was no time to practice.

If we are blaming the loss and the QB play on flynn alone - that is crazy. IMO flynn is at best a ok backup; but I havnt seen him play since he was last here; our Oline got decimated during that game; lacey had no game.

anyways ...

I do agree that our QB situation was one of the main reasons we lost - I was cringing all preseason when Mike McCarthy was 'trying to keep' harrel when he just sucked so bad and he did last year also. Reminded me of brohm - I mean whats the deal with I guess its Mike McCarthy and these lame QBs? ...
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