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Offline nerdmann  
#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:13:59 PM(UTC)
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We were 5-2, but it was an UGLY 5-2.

This team shit itself early, but was rebounding like it always does.
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Offline porky88  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:27:20 PM(UTC)
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Bob McGinn has covered the Packers for along time and has built relations within 1265. He wrote around a month back that he suspects the Packers will test free agency this off-season. That caught my attention because I hardly doubt he'd put that out there if somebody inside didn't give him information.

Nevertheless, I also found it amusing that the guy who said Green Bay could win 10 or 11 games without Aaron Rodgers is penning one of his harshest critiques of the organization in years. Also, prior to the season, he thought enough of the Packers to suggest they were going to make a deep playoff run.

Where's the accountability?

This team isn’t far away from returning to the Super Bowl. They need to continue to develop their young players, get healthy, and stop boycotting free agency. I like Thompson’s cautious approach to free agency. It's better than believing we're always just one player away. However, the Packers act as if their salary cap situation is what it was under Mike Sherman. It’s not. It’s in relatively good shape.

Many inside and outside of 1265 are guilty of overrating Green Bay’s talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe that’s why McGinn is being so harsh. Rodgers’ absence opened the door for Thompson, McCarthy, and the coaches to get a better read on this team. For example, how does the defense play without a lead? Maybe now we’ll see something bolder in the draft or free agency. I’d prefer the latter.
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#28 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2014 8:21:56 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: porky88 Go to Quoted Post
Bob McGinn has covered the Packers for along time and has built relations within 1265. He wrote around a month back that he suspects the Packers will test free agency this off-season. That caught my attention because I hardly doubt he'd put that out there if somebody inside didn't give him information.

Nevertheless, I also found it amusing that the guy who said Green Bay could win 10 or 11 games without Aaron Rodgers is penning one of his harshest critiques of the organization in years. Also, prior to the season, he thought enough of the Packers to suggest they were going to make a deep playoff run.

Where's the accountability?

This team isn’t far away from returning to the Super Bowl. They need to continue to develop their young players, get healthy, and stop boycotting free agency. I like Thompson’s cautious approach to free agency. It's better than believing we're always just one player away. However, the Packers act as if their salary cap situation is what it was under Mike Sherman. It’s not. It’s in relatively good shape.

Many inside and outside of 1265 are guilty of overrating Green Bay’s talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball. Maybe that’s why McGinn is being so harsh. Rodgers’ absence opened the door for Thompson, McCarthy, and the coaches to get a better read on this team. For example, how does the defense play without a lead? Maybe now we’ll see something bolder in the draft or free agency. I’d prefer the latter.


Good Analysis. There's a fine line between righting the ship and rocking the boat.

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Offline VinceLambeauStarr  
#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:21:53 AM(UTC)
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The expectation of sustained success is usually placed on team by the feeling of entitlement from the fan-base, and with good reason.

The thing is, 31 other teams (arguably 30, Dallas :P) are trying to win the bowl game, and each team has to try and do it a different way because the playing chips are different for each organisation.

I think it's too early to say the Packers' are slipping - a quick look at the top tier teams in the NFL (Seahawks, 49ers, Patriots, Broncos) and it's evident that there is no need for panic, a massive rebuild or anything of the sort.

Out of those four teams, only the Patriots can stake claim to sustained success over a decade. The other three teams have gone through dark periods, and with upcoming moves on the business side of things, you can bet on atleast one of these teams taking a step backward in the next few years.

Our team isn't built to win the way Seattle or San Fran do, it's built to win like the Broncos do, similar to the way Indy was built when Manning was there. This year was the first where the prospect of playing without your core was exposed, and luckily it wasn't for a full season (Colts 2-14 year). I fully expect Ted, Mike et al to recognize this and try their level best to ensure that we can still compete without our starting quarterback.

I have faith that even though we have had a rocky few years during clutch time, we will improve and we will return to the summit of the elite. Possibly in eight months time.
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Offline steveishere  
#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:41:45 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: VinceLambeauStarr Go to Quoted Post

Out of those four teams, only the Patriots can stake claim to sustained success over a decade. The other three teams have gone through dark periods, and with upcoming moves on the business side of things, you can bet on atleast one of these teams taking a step backward in the next few years.


Thing is even the Patriots recently had a 3 year stretch without winning a playoff game. It's not uncommon even if you have an elite QB and coaching staff.
Offline play2win  
#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:44:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan Go to Quoted Post
Well, I guess ole Bob has changed his tune since he wrote the now "infamous" Packers can win without Aaron Rodgers" story.

Or is it he is just trying to make the fans forget HOW WRONG HE WAS then and next year, with a little luck, The Packers stay farly healthy, he will once again have written a "I'm just a dumbass writer trying to appease the fans" article.

Let's see how long "these elite teams" stay that way when all thier 1st round top 5 draft picks start demanding more money than a team can afford.

Down year, still North Champions, did everything but "win" their playoff game", which is a hell of a lot better than the 2 prior years where they forgot to show up.

Hell, I may be in the minority here, but after a certain point,(15 guys ir'ed), I was impressed with the Heart and Desire of the guys left playing.

Outmanned and playing with a bunch of "Babies" and career "backups", they still managed to make it to The Playoffs, that is all anyone can ask.

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO PANIC!!!!!!!

There will be changes this offseason, but IMHO, not as drastic as some may want or think.


That's all well and good, but look a little closer and we are in serious trouble. We did not beat a single team with a winning record. We've had 4 picks on D in Rounds 1 and 2 over the past two years at key areas of need, and not one of them did anything exceptional for us this season. Not one. Not a single player out of those 4 made a real impact on this defense in 2013.

We have a HC who refuses to part ways with coaches on his staff who are not performing up to task. The status quo is not good. How do you expect to see change for the better when there will be no change?

Until I see some real commitment from this staff to change their ways, we are unfortunately in for much of the same. No key FA acquisitions. No turnaround in a Strength & Conditioning staff that has left us with the most adjusted games lost in the NFL for 4 years running. No change in DC. Our defense has set all-time NFL records for futility over these past 3 seasons, and last season showed very little change there. Its not like we're ticking up, getting better.

I don't see it. And, barking about winning the NFC North? Really? I'm happy we did win it, but, wow. The rest of the division is a laughing stock.

Offensively, I thought we did some good things this season. Got a running game going. Got an OL together that was serviceable. We sure weren't road graders, but we saw an improvement. Boykins came on as a 4th WR and did well. And, Rodgers was good when healthy enough to play.

Aside from that, we pretty much sucked. Even on offense we had questionable play calling and game time mismanagement from and experienced HC. How many pre-snap penalties did we get at crucial moments during games? 12 men on the field, twice in a row? Our clock management was suspect at the end of the first half during our playoff loss to SF. How?

Defensively, we didn't get the job done, and we looked to have gaping holes at a number of position groups on our D. We showed heart in beating DAL and CHI teams that continually choke under pressure. That is pretty much it.

There is an awful lot that needs fixing this offseason and regular season. How will we be healthier next season? How will we not telegraph our intentions to the opposition? The good teams we played knew exactly what we were going to do, and we too often failed to execute. We looked out classed, and let's face it, we were. Exactly how is that going to change?

Personnel acquisition philosophy needs to change as well as coaching philosophy, and hopefully some staff that will perform better, and get more results from our players. Hopefully we add new, top tier talent. Will that happen? How?

No one got the job done last year, from Ted on down to the coaching staff and the players. Time for some real change on this Packers team.

The Patriots won 3 Super Bowls since 2001. Their coaching staff is better, their personnel staff is not bound to using only young draftees and UDFAs, they are fluid, willing to take risks with trades and signings, and their players have a professional attitude in going about their work at game time. We should have won at least two during Rodgers' tenure to date. Yet, we've surrounded him with inexperienced draftees and complacent coaching and personnel staffs.

We need vets who can show our younger players the way to win, the way to prepare, and we need a staff, both in coaching and in personnel, who is accountable, who will exhaust all of their energies and resources to win. I hope we see these changes. But, my expectations have been lowered, beaten down after three years of the same old BS lip service. I want to see this team change for the better. Both Ted and Mike might be too stuck in their ways for that to happen...
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